Twenty bids so far, up to $102.51

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sig-KING-KOBRA-K...QQcmdZViewItem

New and direct from Sig @ $99.99:

http://www.sigmfg.com/cgi-bin/dpsmar...rt_20Models_01

rainedave,

I watched the Aurora Kit, simply get way out of hand. I know that in a "free Market" buyers will set the price, but with a set of plans a few tools, this same "KIT" could be cut for such a small amount, I simply don't understand this kind of blown out of proportion pricing. Just can't fathom anybody spending $500.00 on the kit. My question now, is 'What will they do with this "RARE" Kit to quote the description?"

Oh well, I'll just keep waiting on a set of plans to hopefully come my way and I can make my OWN Gazillion Dollar Kit.

Here is the URL:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...CN_BIX&refitem
=150091878459&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view _item&refwidgettype=osi_widget

Dave,

Stupidity is your answer. I have seen similar occurances on vintage motorcycle parts, where people pay more than list for items still available from a dealer...

I often wonder if opposable thumbs are the only thing that allowed us to become the dominant species on the planet.


Mark

It's Crazy!!

Not too long before the Aurora...There was a New In Box Hanno that went for just under $500usd...I'll admit...It was Beautiful...but geeze...I actually think that was a MarketPlace type of AD rather than an Auction...

Then the Aurora...Which I (and I think several other's around here) would've love to have...It's actually a Dream Aircraft of mine...I bid $265...No Chance...he he

But.....Alas.....Thanks to Flywilly and Bootlini (and my existing Aurora45 kit)....I do believe my dream will come true via scratch building....

I've never scratch built anything before...But I think I'm kinda excited about it!! It should be Fun!! With Bootlini's Play-By-Play Tutorial(Thread)...And a beautiful set of drawings from Flywilly...I should be able to look at my 45 and just make the same stuff..Just a bit bigger...he he

I was thinking I could use my Root and Tip wing ribs out of the Aurora45...And pick a "scaled up" size to get the Airfoil(s)....Then I was planning to cut my own cores...I have a Hotwire thingy but have never used it...So I thought it would be fun to give that a shot too...

I know this is common place for allot of you guy's...Scratch building that is....But since I'm new to it I'm kinda nervous...My Aurora45 kit was sorta intimidating buy it's self...Probably the most "complex" kit that "I" have...I was already worried about screwing it up...lol

But I'll get over the nervous part I think...It will be Fun....And since I can't afford to get a nib "kit" via eBay...he he

Sorry...Didn't mean to stray off topic...

Have Fun!!

Chuck

Sorry Double Post

There is an element of gambling in eBay buying. No, not for everyone. Just for those with the obsessive/compulsive trait in their personalities. Someone without these traits will not be able to comprehend what is going on. It is probably an extreme extension of some survival trait in our genes that manifests itself oddly in the modern culture/world paradigm.

Now, write me a check for $200 and send it to me immediately. <G>


Ed Cregger

Chuck,

Just to take a quick short reply to say.... WaytaGO!

Be forewarned Scatch building is Habit forming, extreme joy, sheer exhuberance and un encumbered glee can be felt, with the completion of a project. All of this done with your own hands! If you get "GOOD" at it, you will suddenly have more "FRIENDS" than you remembered ever having... <LOL>

We all have our methods and if you use them to success then they are correct! Here is a URL, that you might find useful with some great information for a "First Timer".

http://www.airfieldmodels.com/index.htm

Also, Chuck, if you need any help along the way, drop me an email or PM and I will give you my "way" of doing anything along the build. Just remember, that my "WAY" is just that, Others may have a Better "WAY" but sometimes it is nice to be able to get an idea from another builder. I've learned some new "tricks" in the last few weeks.

"Nothing Sweeter, than the smell of Balsa Dust in the Morning"! (A bit of poetic license from "Apocolypse")

Hey Chuck,

A scratch build will be no problem if you can build the kit. Just cut your own kit of parts first and go to it. The foam wing cores may take some fiddling, but it isn't insurmountable by any means... And you have all the experience and help in the world on this forum.


Mark

If you have the root and tip ribs for rhe aurora you could make a built up wing.I have the programs to do it for a copy of the plans.just finished doing the same for the peppermint patties.now have to start the buliding.

That never happens when I sell stuff on eb*y but on the other hand I’d feel bad if it did!

Wow..Thank You Guys for the words of Encouragement...

I wish I had my reciept from Indy hobbies from a combo purchase I made from in late 1983 or early 1984; the combo was a K.K. kit with an OS 61fsr abc for 139$. I thought it was a good deal then.

I've actually seen a NIB Hanno Special sell for $750 US on EBay (I keep track of pattern stuff so I can decide if I want to bid and how bad I want the item). Hey, a used one just sold for $261 on eBay.
Have you checked out the prices for the muscle cars of the late '60s - early '70s? When it goes out of production the price goes up (well, maybe not for Yugos )

I kinda got "Wrapped Up in the Moment" on a NIB YS 45FS engine a month or so ago...I did actually only bust "My Limit" by a few bucks...I wound up loosing to the other guy...Oh well....I knew where there was a new one available...I was hoping to get the one off eBay a bit cheeper...But myself and the other guy wound up getting into the retail + shipping price range of the new one...So I bugged out and ordered it from the retailer...Oh Well...At least he didn't get it cheeper than me..he he

My Gosh...$750 for a NIB Hanno!!

I have a friend from work who restores cars as a hobby...He *Turned Down* $100K for a factory Black 454 Chevelle he has...

It's pretty Crazy...

Have Fun...

Chuck

What is sad though is these planes/equipment are becoming like muscle cars. Some one sees a kit sell for $400+ and now every kit (or equipment) from that era is $400+ no matter what it is or condition it is in. Now, throw in all these people who sees these kits/equipment sell for this kind of money on auction sites....that could care less about these planes/equipment.... jumps on the band wagon and buys everthing up only to sell it for 100% profit and spike the prices.... really takes away from the hobby and the people who have kept these planes around and in the air.

As far as Yugos goes. You watch... they will go throught the roof too. They said AMC cars will never go anywhere. Now look. As a proud owner of a pair of AMXs for m-a-n-y years (who beats the living heck out of them beating up on the other "makes" and drives them in the rain...[8D]) There is no way I could afford them now if I had to buy them by today's standards. Just like the fate of many of these kits/equipment that are being sold/bought today....it is like the "muscle car" era car being sold today . The chances of them being used for what they were designed for is slim to none.

Just my 2 cents

I've brought the point up before that ebay has the potential to negate the use value of stuff. Pay $450 for a kit and it's no longer a kit. It's a useless object that can't be built and flown. It's sad to see these great things from the past converted into nothing more than a useless exchange value. It's so incredibly destructive.

------------------


In 1980 or 81, my OS .61FSR cost $110 from Tower Hobbies. You really must have gotten a great deal. What is a K.K. kit? King Kobra?


Ed Cregger

Yes, sorry for the abbreviation, It was a King Kobra. I find the rationale for the prices on the bay interesting too; here, we can still make the original if we want the work of scratch building. I do like the MK quality, and while I haven't really pursued getting a few of the kits that are still in production, I believe that at some point the cool stuff always winds up back in the market place since it is about making a buck. The issue seems to be production rights(my apologies for that last statement, yep I can feel my ears burning now).

Hey guy's
Here is another King Kobra for you. And this ones been wrecked.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sig-King-Kobra-R...QQcmdZViewItem

Funny thing about it is it has 5 bids and its all by the same person. Usally when you click on a persons feedback you can see all their transactions but on this one I am seeing something I have never seen before. All its saying is that he bids on stuff. I am assuming that this person is jacking the price up on this item. I may be wrong so I am not accusing anyone of anything I just thought it was kinda strange. Check it out and see what you think.

Ebay is in the process of changing the way it shows bids on items. You will no longer get all the information about bidders on ebay. This is to protect them from unsolicited offers to sell them things, something that active sellers and buyers have been asking for. As to why people over bid on ebay I'd say it's because they get caught up in the process and just cannot stand to have someone out bid them. The same thing happens at live auctions all the time. The great thing about America is you have many places to buy things and no one can force you to pay more than you want to for anything. In a free market the value of an item is what someone is willing to pay for it, not what you or I may think it is worth.

Ebay is very much geared towards the seller then the buyer but people need to show some restraint. With that being said I am seriously thinking about putting my Aero Composites EU1A kit up for auction if prices keep going this way.

A note about the King Kobra, this is one excellent flying plane. I built two in the early 90's, the first one was built exactly like the plans and the second one I converted to a tail dragger. I added a set of fiberglass gear just ahead of the wing mount, reinforced this area with some ply and shaped the bottom block to fit the gear. I really liked this combo better, the ground handling was better and simpler to maintain. For a tail wheel I just feed a piece of music wire from the rudder down through the fuse to a du-bro tail wheel. I covered the plane with Coverite silkspan and painted with Rustolem. I have pictures of the plane somewhere, if I find them I will scan and post.

Sooo...How much will this one go for???

http://cgi.ebay.com/MK-WILD-7-90-4C-...QQcmdZViewItem

Funny thing about e-bay.....If I own it..it's worthless...if someone else owns it..it's worth a fortune....go figure.

Any time I bid an item on e-bay, I have a max price, I'll pay. If it goes above that, oh well! I've seen stupidity overpower common sense quite often on e-bay.

Rod

I have only just found this thread and since i am the one who bought the Aurora kit and also the wild-7 kit i think i should say my bit. I have always had a passion for classic pattern models and for me the models that have always stood out have been MK! When they were available they were always expensive kits in this country and when i bought my first Aurora 60 it was £200!! that was about 15 ish years ago! Other kits of the same size were of similar price. Quality and performance costs! and if you want it you must pay for it! The quality in materials, accuracy of the cut parts, plans and the thought put into these kits is incredible! The flying qualities are even better. For me having had two previous Aurora 60's it stands out, and all my experiences with them were fantastic! every flight was a joy, such a graceful bird in flight as are its brothers and i think infinitely more attractive than the curare!. . . .beyond words! $500!? . . . bargain! i paid $68 shipping which brought the total to £268 GBP! In my view thats alot of quality for the money. And as for what will happen to it. . . . i found a YS 60 FR in perfect condition on this forum and i also have an Hattori pipe for it, spring airs are also to be fitted. It will be finished to the very highest standard and no expense spared! I feel something is worth what ever you are prepared to pay for it! I do not consider it stupid! they are not available anymore and are sought after items so prices are bound to increase!
As for the wild-7, i had had no previous experience with it but thought it a most attractive model so decided to go for it! and i am very glad i did! kit is every bit as good as the Aurora and it was $100 less. This will be built before the Aurora. Engines, retract systems, pipes and all the MK accessories have been procured for these kits, there will be no corners cut! I am not out to make a profit, i am out to fly! I had sold all of my jet gear as this was geeting very expensive and was lucky i found these. . . .money well spent i say! there is alot of nostalgia mixed in with this and we do this hobby for enjoyment, so why not fly what you enjoy! I fully intend to increase my MK fleet i am hoping to aquire some of the smaler MK kits (Aurora 25/45, Arrow 40 etc) as i the bigger brothers will not be everyday models.