Luchnia

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I think we need a status, yet to me a status is a status on some movement. I am like you as I feel it is a waste of time doing a video with the same basic info. At least give us something that is specific, realistic and time bound. Plan the work and work the plan.

An example of helpful news based on solid action items would be: "By the deadline that was set forth, we did not hear back from our FAA representative, so we attempted another communication with our representative at the FAA via phone and email with agenda xxxx. We were notified that a date for a meeting would be set within the next 24 hours. We will monitor this progress and if no notification of a meeting time is set within 24 hours, we will follow up by xxxxx. We will update our membership by COB Friday with a progress report."

skylark-flier

And this is why I (and probably many others) have little inclination to go with AMA's request to comment once more. It's simply a waste of our time at this point. This has all been decided and pre-set by FAA a long time ago. What we (flyers) do now, or don't do now, will make ZERO difference. I'm sure that the die has been set for quite awhile.

It's just like Oby-care, vote first, see later.

Sport_Pilot

Ignoring comments can be detrimental in a court case. The judge might not agree with their explanation of why the comment was not considered. But without a comment there will be no discussion with the judge.

HoundDog

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What's Funny about a $27,000 to $250,000 Fine and 3 years in leavenworth.
I fail to see the Humor anymore. The Feds are going to get serious one of these days and some one is going to be made a very expensive example of ... Win or loose they'll pay through the Nose. Any one wanna start a "Go Fund Me Page" right here on RCU for the first succker they go after?

HoundDog

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Looks like a bunch of the Prolific writers
here are missing out on a good opportunity.
http://www.thebarefootwriter.com/fre...FdcegQodAd0G-A

porcia83

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I'm taking a nap...hope you are in a better mood when I wake up! Smile some, and laugh for gods sake, you're gettin all doom and gloomy buddy. You keep referencing worst case scenarios for fines....not mentioning that it's a scaled approach, case by case. Verbal warnings, written warnings, fines UP TO the amount you noted, and also possible criminal prosecution and 3 hots and a cot. I have tons of empathy for all kinds of different transgressions, but if someone does something reckless that causes damage to property or to person, I'm not going to shed a tear if they get hammered. Whether they knew the riles or didn't, that's on them. I know (or hope) that you meant the go fund me think in a joking way, but why on gods earth would we ever want to pay for someone elses stupidity. They aren't going to go after someone who made a simple mistake if they are registered. The chances that someone from the FAA or local LE is going to be involved in an RC situation is pretty darn slim.

Nobody NOT following the rules/regs is going to have anything to worry about. If ya don't do nothing wrong, you won't get caught.

porcia83

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How much did you get paid for the first book. Are they picky about fonts and colors?

Oh snap...I did go there!

HoundDog

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Originally Posted by HoundDog
Looks like a bunch of the Prolific writers
here are missing out on a good opportunity.
http://www.thebarefootwriter.com/fre...FdcegQodAd0G-A

Color & Font Color & Font ,,, but the color is for Emphasis I take it U might see red nos and then I only use magenta I think Like on Sectional charts t markings of a Class C airspace. The magenta lines define the inner and outer “shelf.” Pictured more closely is the magenta text that define the limits of each area. This one defines the inner core

Thanks and I have yet to get My Buck 2 eighty.

franklin_m

Boy, wouldn't that be nice if we had updates like that?

franklin_m

Not to mention the AMA is asking us to largely just repackage comments that didn't work the first time...

porcia83

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Really...if that came from the AMA you wouldn't find an issue with the whole thing....c'mon!

If they make suggestions, there are complaints that the suggestions aren't good enough. They were also different, but lets not split hairs.

If they don't make suggestions, there are complaints that they weren't given sufficient suggestions.

How are they supposed to do everything to make everyone happy?

jmiles1941

well I tell you the first few they catch will get the book thrown at them to make a example of , watch and see , glad I am legal have my FAA number 27000 dollars to 250000 dollar fine and or 3 years in jail is not nothing to mock about , FAA is the boss AMA is just a agency the government FAA has the rule over the AMA. The AMA failed the first time now they want you to wait while they fail again . 336 was for airplanes we as pilots are registering us as pilots with the FAA this registeration hinders nothing from 336 just go register and quit all this bickering AMA will not win this case and when it happens I am going to say TOLD YOU SO !!!!!!!

franklin_m

What?

(1) 336 doesn't allow you to regulate us. Made that argument last time. Swing and miss.

(2) We have a great safety record so let us self-regulate. Made that argument last time. Swing and miss.

(3) We're exempt from registration (based on 336 prohibition ... see above ... tried that last time too). Swing and miss.

porcia83

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Those were the only talking points?

porcia83

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I would hold off on the told you so's, and here's why. The figures you note above are worst case scenarios, as in the maximums. When a new rule like this comes along it's rare that the first offenders will get the books thrown at them. Not every infraction is going to call for the book to be thrown at them. The FAA has said the main purpose of this process is education, and for safety. They are going to look at each incident on it's own merits. Certainly we would want the 14 year old who lost control of his aircraft by accident (or high winds) and flew over 400 feet into a restricted air space to be treated differently than the 40 year old guy who flew his high end "drone" over a major league baseball game to get cool video, then lost control and struck and injured someone right? Both ultimately violated the law, but should be treated differently. I believe they indicated depending on the severity they will go with verbal warnings, written warnings, then fines, and then possible criminal prosecution.

I won't have a problem with that, there is some built in common sense to the punishment component.

BobH

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This discussion is well past the issues at hand. It's become a "I'm right and your are wrong" debate. Typical of what happens in long winded discussions.

jmiles1941

you are correct porcia , but I believe they will make a example of the first few they catch , too me it is just better to register that was why I registered , I called and talked to Tony Stillman before I registered and could not get any positive answers from him , so I told him I was going to go ahead and register and not take a chance of this getting caught in the middle and he said ok , I have been a member of the AMA for 30 years , the AMA is trying to help but they can only do so much against a giant like the FAA my2 cents worth

porcia83

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Then I guess we'll just close up the thread......

porcia83

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at the end of the day the decision to register is a personal one, and shouldn't be second guessed. You did what you felt was best, and that's that. Tony is a great guy (I've met him a few times when he travels around with the flight simulator trailer) but he can only answer so much. Can't remember if you are in NY, for some reason I thought you were, I think Tony will be at the WRAM show in NY in Feb.

BobH

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That makes a lot of sense

mattster1971

This isn't like you are registering a gun they can come to your home and take away. its a model airplane or drone... its a Toy, a hobby. They won't do anything with the database except to prosecute those who violate the law. Its like any other American freedom that has gone away, because of technology changes and overpopulation. And not to mention the constant threat of terrorism.

HoundDog

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NO it's not it's the registration of PEOPLE specifically you as the OWNER/Pilot of the any R/C TOY U wish to fly in the NAS. ( no need to place YOUR Registration) on anything U don't fly or hang in your basement.

Stop saying we are Registering airplane / Drones it Just ain't so.

jmiles1941

no I am in middle GA , and Tony is a great guy and I believe he knows this isa no win for them , I have known Tony a long time , according to articles I have checked looks like over a 160k have registered don't know what percentage is AMA members , I know all the guys I fly with around local and IMAC have registered and that is well over 200 . wish they would post registered numbers, and I am not second guessing just think it will weed out all the trouble makers we have who want no one to tell them where and how to fly just my 2 cents worth !!

porcia83

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Aha...no wonder you have such a good disposition..you don't have to deal with the cold!

FAA released numbers yesterday I believe, 181,00 people have registered. I don't believe it will ever be possible to see who is AMA and who is not. As for troublemakers, well those can be in both camps. Don't forget fixed wing pilots were doing FVP and BLOS far earlier than the drone dudes were. I wish the whole reg and lawsuit issues would be resolved so we could go back to arguing about who's plane is nicer, and that Futaba is better than Spektrum or vice versa!

jmiles1941

I know and yes we have a little cold here not a lot , we are lucky we have 2 great fields here to fly at both belong to us GAMA ,maybe some day you can come fly with us would be great to meet other pilots , heck we have 160 members