AMA says, "Wait to register"
01-11-2016, 02:22 PM
#501
Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
If that was true they whould say you should register, but they said you may register. That is they still recommend waiting but OK to go ahead and register.
The word "may" applies to saving the $5, not registering. God, you just won't give up with your crap will you.
01-11-2016, 02:25 PM
#502
Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
"In principle" means an accepted rule of action. The word itself means agreement without details. To say agreed in principle is actually a bit redundant.
01-11-2016, 02:36 PM
#503
Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
Well the AMA have their agreement with the FAA.
http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/ama...-registration/
http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/ama...-registration/
we don't have to put the FAA number on our aircraft.
01-12-2016, 06:12 AM
#505
Originally Posted by rgburrill
How much have you dealt with government authorities? Agreed in principle means they agree with some, but not all, of the arguement. And that can get turned around in an instant.
I have worked with many government authorities includeing the FAA. In fact I was a government authority.
01-12-2016, 07:19 AM
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So, if the AMA gets what they want, what happens to those AMA members who already registered, and got an FAA number. Will they be able to change their FAA number for their AMA number?
01-12-2016, 07:59 AM
#508
Originally Posted by franklin_m
FYI, AMA is working with FAA to get language on their site that requires membership in AMA to operate above 400'.
01-12-2016, 08:01 AM
#509
Originally Posted by TLH101
So, if the AMA gets what they want, what happens to those AMA members who already registered, and got an FAA number. Will they be able to change their FAA number for their AMA number?
time u got something for FREE from the gubbermnt?
OOPS fer gots ta dubbl space fer crispy LOL
01-12-2016, 08:04 AM
#510
enough to make the Pope cuss
Originally Posted by franklin_m
FYI, AMA is working with FAA to get language on their site that requires membership in AMA to operate above 400'.
For crying out loud I have been a member of the AMA since 1967 and the rule has always been that by AMA and FAA ruling we R/C pilots (drone pilots go to hell) are not to fly above 400' within 5 miles of an airport ,which if you were in a full scale plane you set the altimeter allowing for altitude above sea level which for example at the now closed Hyde Field in Clinton MD that would be 249' above sea level so you would be flying at 649' above SEA LEVEL I as any pilot learned this when learning to fly full scale which I have done before ever flying an R/C fixed wing plane flying
In closing ladies and gentleman even if it is not in controlled airspace one should use their commonsense and NEVER fly above 400' which greatly minimizes any obstruction of FAA controlled air space,which of course is the issue.
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01-12-2016, 08:11 AM
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I caved this morning and registered. I see nothing new happening with the AMA and the FAA anytime soon. I have no concerns with local issues but since I'm planning on taking the show on the road visiting some larger events this year I figure I might as well I rather have it and not need it than the reverse.
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01-12-2016, 09:08 AM
#512
Originally Posted by ramcfarland
For crying out loud I have been a member of the AMA since 1967 and the rule has always been that by AMA and FAA ruling we R/C pilots (drone pilots go to hell) are not to fly above 400' within 5 miles of an airport ,which if you were in a full scale plane you set the altimeter allowing for altitude above sea level which for example at the now closed Hyde Field in Clinton MD that would be 249' above sea level so you would be flying at 649' above SEA LEVEL I as any pilot learned this when learning to fly full scale which I have done before ever flying an R/C fixed wing plane flying
In closing ladies and gentleman even if it is not in controlled airspace one should use their commonsense and NEVER fly above 400' which greatly minimizes any obstruction of FAA controlled air space,which of course is the issue.
In closing ladies and gentleman even if it is not in controlled airspace one should use their commonsense and NEVER fly above 400' which greatly minimizes any obstruction of FAA controlled air space,which of course is the issue.
01-12-2016, 09:10 AM
#513
I just registered with the FAA just like I had to when I got my student pilots licence way back in 1967. I believe the AMA is just trying to run the show when clearly by events recently they are BEHIND the curve. Also by registering now my $5.00 will be credited to my bank. Message to AMA YOU dropped the ball. And for now at least I can fly my under 1/2 pound (2) sticks of butte, my prized Fly Zone Air Core :Miss America P-51, ME-109,FW-190 and my A6-M-2 Navy Zero where I live AND at my local field if they get it together with the F.A.A.regarding what some call foamies...
01-12-2016, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
I don't see how the AMA dropped the ball and its the FAA that is behind the curve. In fact all of this may be overturned in court.
If you're over 40 years old it's not likely you'll live long enough to see the end of this as far as the court system is concerned.
01-13-2016, 05:39 AM
#516
Originally Posted by hawkerone
If you're over 40 years old it's not likely you'll live long enough to see the end of this as far as the court system is concerned.
01-13-2016, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
I don't see how the AMA dropped the ball and its the FAA that is behind the curve. In fact all of this may be overturned in court.
01-13-2016, 10:08 AM
#518
Originally Posted by RC_Fanatic
The AMA will continue wasting our money on a lost cause and have to raise the fees again and again. Seems to me they have outgrown their usefulness.
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_polic..._signature.pdf
01-13-2016, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
I suggest you read the most recent sUAV NPRM, especially part 101 on page 172 before claiming this is a lost cause.
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_polic..._signature.pdf
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_polic..._signature.pdf
Anyways, too little and too late. Many of us have already registered and marked up our airplanes. I've always had a couple of stickers in each plane with contact information and AMA number. I guess that now I need to add that to my palm-sized simple quad-copter as well.
01-13-2016, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by RC_Fanatic
The AMA will continue wasting our money on a lost cause and have to raise the fees again and again. Seems to me they have outgrown their usefulness.
01-13-2016, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by RC_Fanatic
So now it applies to any UAS under 55 pounds. Ones under half a pound still need to be registered. I don't see any significant changes. That is, we still need to register, we need to put the registration numbers on our aircraft... It sounds more like the FAA is promoting a private organization, which is what the AMA has been pushing for.
Anyways, too little and too late. Many of us have already registered and marked up our airplanes. I've always had a couple of stickers in each plane with contact information and AMA number. I guess that now I need to add that to my palm-sized simple quad-copter as well.
Anyways, too little and too late. Many of us have already registered and marked up our airplanes. I've always had a couple of stickers in each plane with contact information and AMA number. I guess that now I need to add that to my palm-sized simple quad-copter as well.
01-13-2016, 11:59 AM
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From the document referenced above:
"Subpart E – Special Rule for Model Aircraft
§ 101.41 Applicability.
This subpart prescribes the rules governing the operation of a model aircraft that meets all of the following conditions as set forth in section 336 of Public Law 112-95:
(a) The aircraft is flown strictly for hobby or recreational use;
(b) The aircraft is operated in accordance with a community-based set of safety guidelines and within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization;
(c) The aircraft is limited to not more than 55 pounds unless otherwise certified through a design, construction, inspection, flight test, and operational safety program administered by a community-based organization;"
The only reason I belong to AMA is that I cannot fly at our club field without membership. My homeowner's insurance provides coverage for my flying before the AMA one will kick in. The magazine is interesting, but I could easily live without it. I'm not interested in organized competition. Unfortunately, I find sport and (attempted) pattern flying of 40 and up displacement fixed wing aircraft more interesting than multi-rotors so I am stuck, but I don't have to like it.
I guess I am annoyed that the AMA painted a rosy picture of their efforts "on our behalf" but the truth is much different.
"Subpart E – Special Rule for Model Aircraft
§ 101.41 Applicability.
This subpart prescribes the rules governing the operation of a model aircraft that meets all of the following conditions as set forth in section 336 of Public Law 112-95:
(a) The aircraft is flown strictly for hobby or recreational use;
(b) The aircraft is operated in accordance with a community-based set of safety guidelines and within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization;
(c) The aircraft is limited to not more than 55 pounds unless otherwise certified through a design, construction, inspection, flight test, and operational safety program administered by a community-based organization;"
The only reason I belong to AMA is that I cannot fly at our club field without membership. My homeowner's insurance provides coverage for my flying before the AMA one will kick in. The magazine is interesting, but I could easily live without it. I'm not interested in organized competition. Unfortunately, I find sport and (attempted) pattern flying of 40 and up displacement fixed wing aircraft more interesting than multi-rotors so I am stuck, but I don't have to like it.
I guess I am annoyed that the AMA painted a rosy picture of their efforts "on our behalf" but the truth is much different.
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01-13-2016, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by RC_Fanatic
From the document referenced above:
"Subpart E – Special Rule for Model Aircraft
§ 101.41 Applicability.
This subpart prescribes the rules governing the operation of a model aircraft that meets all of the following conditions as set forth in section 336 of Public Law 112-95:
(a) The aircraft is flown strictly for hobby or recreational use;
(b) The aircraft is operated in accordance with a community-based set of safety guidelines and within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization;
(c) The aircraft is limited to not more than 55 pounds unless otherwise certified through a design, construction, inspection, flight test, and operational safety program administered by a community-based organization;"
The only reason I belong to AMA is that I cannot fly at our club field without membership. My homeowner's insurance provides coverage for my flying before the AMA one will kick in. The magazine is interesting, but I could easily live without it. I'm not interested in organized competition. Unfortunately, I find sport and (attempted) pattern flying of 40 and up displacement fixed wing aircraft more interesting than multi-rotors so I am stuck, but I don't have to like it.
I guess I am annoyed that the AMA painted a rosy picture of their efforts "on our behalf" but the truth is much different.
"Subpart E – Special Rule for Model Aircraft
§ 101.41 Applicability.
This subpart prescribes the rules governing the operation of a model aircraft that meets all of the following conditions as set forth in section 336 of Public Law 112-95:
(a) The aircraft is flown strictly for hobby or recreational use;
(b) The aircraft is operated in accordance with a community-based set of safety guidelines and within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization;
(c) The aircraft is limited to not more than 55 pounds unless otherwise certified through a design, construction, inspection, flight test, and operational safety program administered by a community-based organization;"
The only reason I belong to AMA is that I cannot fly at our club field without membership. My homeowner's insurance provides coverage for my flying before the AMA one will kick in. The magazine is interesting, but I could easily live without it. I'm not interested in organized competition. Unfortunately, I find sport and (attempted) pattern flying of 40 and up displacement fixed wing aircraft more interesting than multi-rotors so I am stuck, but I don't have to like it.
I guess I am annoyed that the AMA painted a rosy picture of their efforts "on our behalf" but the truth is much different.
So...looks like the AMA was very much involved and not quite as toothless as noted.
If those changes are made...what again is this huge horrible change that will drastically affect the hobby...or cause it to end? A 5 minute registration?
