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Old 12-14-2015, 08:53 AM
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Herb,

How do you order the extra wings? I have inquired about a pair of the Agenda wings for the Invitation before I order mine. I do not want to fly the stock wings for the P/F-17 schedule or the K maneuvers.

I wish I could get my fingers on a Contra to see if I like it or not, until then I will stick with my plan. I know flying the DTFS wings -VS- the stock wings on the Nuance was a night and day difference in performance ability, favor going to the DTFS wings. However, with that said..., the DTFS wings had it's own set of disadvantage with that air frame. These are not DTFS wings but it's the example of substituting and experimenting for performance.

Good to know you substituted the wings and found better performance.

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I have been flying the Inspire with the Agenda wings as that is one of the primary differences between the two planes. I bought an Inspire from F3A that had been damaged in shipping and needed new wings. BJ suggested trying the Agenda wing and he would cover it like the Inspire. If you lay the two wing panels on top of each other the Agenda wing has pretty much the same lines and airfoil but each panel is approximately 1 CM shorter. In the air this means that snaps are a little tighter and spin entries and exits are cleaner. The Inspire wing had a tendency to tip stall or drop a wing making the spin entries a little more difficult to control in all conditions. So far the Agenda wing doesn't seem to do that. The Inspire would carry a little momentum on exit while the Agenda wing helps the plane stop upon release of controls. Haven't noticed much downside. Probably means next plane is the whole Agenda.
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Old 12-15-2015, 01:42 AM
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I finished the tail and rudder assemblies yesterday. I had to adjust the tail centre tube by approx 1.5 mm to level it compared to wings. Rudder was easy set up. It is so easy with the servo boxes already installed. Next will be the motor install.

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Old 12-16-2015, 04:31 PM
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Hi Bill
Best place to get Agenda wings for the other G2 BJ planes is from Mike Mueller at F3A. He has regular shipments from BJ Craft as the U.S. Distributor and he could get the custom wings as part of one of those shipments. Trying to get them air shipped separately is much to expensive.

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Old 12-17-2015, 09:10 AM
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Hey Herb,

I inquired about the Agenda wings already and changing the colors, same scheme or getting an Invitation in the agenda scheme and substituting the white for yellow. I wasn't sure if I could swap the wings as an option?

Mike already got back to me on swapping the colors. Just checking to see if anyone had the answers, without bugging Mike.

I know it's not "Burger King" but I still want it my way, lol. It's only money right?

Bill

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Hi Bill
Best place to get Agenda wings for the other G2 BJ planes is from Mike Mueller at F3A. He has regular shipments from BJ Craft as the U.S. Distributor and he could get the custom wings as part of one of those shipments. Trying to get them air shipped separately is much to expensive.

Herb
Old 12-17-2015, 10:56 AM
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As as you can see motor mount complete, tail and rudder installed and working and the undercarriage with spats installed. I use the PT models undercarriage as it is raked approx 2ins further forward than the BJ ones. On a rough field it will help the plane not nose forward on landings.
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Old 12-23-2015, 08:47 AM
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Paul,

when do do you plan to maiden your Agenda? Would like to hear your flight report.

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Old 12-24-2015, 10:25 AM
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Model fully finished. All up weight with my heaviest battery (1180g) is 4800g. I must now wait for the weather and the flying site surface to improve to maiden it. It could be a while.
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Old 12-24-2015, 12:16 PM
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Let us know how she flies
Old 12-26-2015, 05:44 AM
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Looking great Paul!!!
Old 12-26-2015, 11:45 PM
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Hi Paul

Your model looks great!

The weight of yor Agenda is so light. perhaps my wiating to the V4 will not be smart as the plan will be too light....


Can you please uplaod some photos of the installation inside the fuselage?


Thanks!
Old 12-27-2015, 07:32 AM
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The first photo is the entrance to my local flying site. I wasn't exaggerating about the level of rain we have had. I may have to travel to another site for maiden flights.

Second photo is the motor install.My firewall etc has been supplied especially from BJ and is the same as the one he did for the Inspire.

Third photo is the final positions for the receiver , main battery tray and the Rx battery. I use carbon sheeted end grain balsa for the battery tray as it is light but strong, and the speed controller is attached to the front of it. I also make it removable by just opening 2 servo screws.
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Any pics of your wing adjusters in the rear or did you go without?
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I have installed the adjusters but I have left the front holes as they were. I will fly a few flights and then decide whether to make the front adjustable. I may adjust CG first.
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Basically the way BJ recommends I think. Because it's so deep in the fus I will drill a small hole on each side to access the screw on the other side with a long driver.
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Old 12-27-2015, 06:53 PM
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How are you securing the carbon rod so that is does not slide out of the fuse?
Old 12-28-2015, 05:26 AM
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I just put a small dot of epoxy on the join where the carbon rod meets the adjusters and then rotate the rod a couple of times slowly. When it dries it will be stuck.
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Originally Posted by pippy View Post

Model fully finished. All up weight with my heaviest battery (1180g) is 4800g. I must now wait for the weather and the flying site surface to improve to maiden it. It could be a while.
Paul

What incidence is your Canalizer set at? I checked mine, and mounted fully in the saddle it is showing +.5 deg with the nose-ring at neg .5 deg
Old 01-01-2016, 05:32 AM
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Hi Bill, I have measured mine as best I can and have the same result. So if the normal down thrust is -1 then the Canaliser is at 0 And I measured the wing at +1.5. I have emailed BJ as to what the factory settings are.
Old 01-01-2016, 09:56 AM
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I stuck some incidence info on my thread.

B.J. says
Thrust: -1
Wing: +1
Stab: 0
Canalyzer: somewhat irrelevant but anywhere between -2 and +2 is fine.
Old 01-01-2016, 11:27 AM
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Thanks Shannah that's good information. Looks like you are close to finishing. I look forward to hearing your flight report.
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Thanks Steve

I will recalibrate , I was assuming the same trust as the Inspire, so that puts it at 0 deg, right in the middle.
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For a $2200+ aircraft, I would expect that fuselage tube and stabilizer tubes be precisely set in the factory. I already see two planes that have needed adjustments. Gary
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This is a very beautiful airplane for the money and for the record, mine was aligned perfectly. We have to remember that they are made by human beings who can make errors. It's up to the flier at the end of the day to make sure the bird is aligned properly.

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Originally Posted by rgreen24 View Post
This is a very beautiful airplane for the money and for the record, mine was aligned perfectly. We have to remember that they are made by human beings who can make errors. It's up to the flier at the end of the day to make sure the bird is aligned properly.


Sorry I disagree , the final step before a model is packaged should be checked over throughly and any realignment can easily be done at this stage.. Needs to be an experienced factory quality control employee and signed off.. BJs quality has got very good but I think is the next step for him to lift the bar in ARF's
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Well we may have to agree to disagree here. I just saw Chip on Facebook, adjusting an aileron hinge line to make the throw more on an OXAI airplane. As far as quality goes, it probably doesn't get much better than OXAI. However, on the Agenda, I think we are talking about small millimeters, we are not talking inches, and it has taken each guy 15 minutes to repair the fix, doesn't seem that bad to me. I like this design and I can't wait to fly it.

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