OK so I got to thinking that the name of this plane is kind of dumb. That from a guy who just sold his Sickle which takes the cake as the dumbest name for a pattern plane ever. That's why I renamed it the Fatboy.
So the word Onas online has these definitions
Acronym Definition
ONAS Ontario Native Affairs Secretariat (Canada)
ONAS Organizzazione Nazionale Assaggiatori Salumi (Italian: National Salami Tasters Organization)
ONAS Office of Naval Acquisition Support

I have to think that it's a spanish word or some type of acronym that I don't know about. Either I find out or I'll consider a name change.
Maybe I'll call it Ocho Cinco. Chad that is and paint it up like a tiger or something.
So if anyone can provide a logical explanation or a new name suggestion I'd highly appreciate it. TIA, Mike Mueller
My acronyn..... ONAS One neat ass sweptwing

National Salami Tasters Organization That's fantastic.

Mike, It's so obvious, how could you miss it? The correct acronym is a homage to our friend "The Candy Man"

Oh Not Again Sammie... Shah boing boing. That's just crazy babe

Anthony (Square Pants) Abdullah

Or try this one on for size

Only Naughty Airplanes Score[sm=omg_smile.gif]

or

Once Nitro now Always Smooth (or Silent)

The "Candy Man" I like that. Thanks Anthony And I mean that...

Onas is the name of native argentineans of Tierra del Fuego, the southernmost tip of the continent. Check http://www.adventure-life.com/articl...nia-culture-92

I just got the chance to weigh my Onas on a good scale. The equipment in it is a Neu F3A motor, stock Neu prop adapter, lightened Castle HV85, Spektrum AR7600 Rx, CA carbon spinner, APC 20.5x14 prop, 1320 2S TP RC battery, voltage regulator for the R/C.

Complete Fuse and Stabs - 2809 grams
Wings & Tube - 869 grams
Total Airframe without Motor Battery - 3678 grams
With TP 5300 20C battery - 4864 grams or 10.72 pounds

I am very pleased as this was done with no effort on my part to be particularly light. Great job CA Models!

Hello Tony,

Tell me about the Neu motor for F3A please.
I have Genesis with C50-13xl acro and I want buy new motor.

Thanks
Arnaldo Medeiros
Brazil

Its come from Greek word.....ENAS....which mean........THE ONE

ONAS=ENAS...sew ther u go (BG)

Good one Matt. I'm going with the Argentinian Indian tribe. But from My Big Fat Greek Wedding here you go.

Gus Portokalos: Kimono, kimono, kimono. Ha! Of course! Kimono is come from the Greek word himona, is mean winter. So, what do you wear in the wintertime to stay warm? A robe. You see: robe, kimono. There you go!

Heeeeeyyyy! Who u calling a BIG FAT GREEK??

I resemble that remark (VBG)

Matt

I've got 45 flights on the model now and it is really flying well. All set for the contest this coming weekend in Phoenix!

When I get the chance I will measure all the throws and CG and post everything. Try to get some video up also.

Looking forward to the year!

Hi Tony

I'd appreciate your thoughts on the Neu vs other motors as well. My only experience with the New was with a friends. It was much noiser than my C50XL (?gear box?) and it burned up the speed controller on the first flight. Unfortunately he got very discouraged at that point and bailed so we never sorted out the problem. I wanted to put the motor on a test stand and check the amp draw...but I haven't seen the guy in over a year. I like my C50XL, but the higher watt output of the Neu is calling to me.

Thanks,
Preston/Gainesville,FL

Preston,

Tony is at a contest but I will try to answer your question. It sounds to me like your friend must of had the original Neu F3A set up which was very noisy by any standards. The version Tony, Todd, myself and so many others are using now is a lot different. It is a fan cooled motor now and has had many improvements.

Yes there have been a few unexspected issues come up but Steve Neu being the genius that he is has always been able to find a solution. I started the current F3A motor project with him almost two years ago because I really wanted to be able to talk to someone in the US about what I want out of a motor. Since then he has been absolutely incredible IMO in being able to listen to a desciption (in lamens terms) and make these motors do what they need to. I think I can speak for Tony and others on this I hope. What we have seen is the following over the Hacker to this point.

1. More Power
2. Less Load on the Batts (Typically 250-500mah less per flight or sequence flown)
3. Quieter
4. Customer Service (the customer is not always wrong I mean)
5. Approx half the price motor and controller
6. Motor controller and prop adaptor just a little less in weight. (Approx and ounce)

Now just to be clear on something, Rainer Hacker is a class act as well, and makes an unbelievable product. I ran the original C50-13xl number 001 for over 3 years and never touched it including greasing the gearbox. Realistically 250 flights. It bothered Todd so much I would not look inside he took it apart, and told me it was like new. Unfortunately Rainer is in Germany and due to some issues with the US distributor it became increasingly difficult to continue using his motors.

Steve has provided the US with the equivilant or better IMO.

My hat is off to him.

Chip

Thanks Chip I'm ready to give one a try. Do you have a source that you would recomend ? Am I correct that they are not available direct from Neu any longer ? I think I want to build an ONAS and power it with a NEU

Preston

Even though we were rained out today in Phoenix, we all got to see Tony's Onas fly yesterday and part of a round today. I think that everyone agrees that it is VERY impressive. Tony has got that thing tuned in and it is presenting really nicely. The rolls are extremely axial. Very nice. Tons of power, it really shows that it is light. I hope others chime in, but I was impressed. We'll see it in action again tomorrow weather permitting.

Phoenix Onas update.

I just talked with Tony for a sec. as he was needed to call for Mike. They are flying today and have completed at least 2 of the 3 rounds so far. Again he had to run but it sounded like Tony has won the first two rounds by a pretty good margin and has won the contest. We are very happy to have the Onas debut that strong and are very pleased with Tony's efforts to get her dialed in, in such a short amount of time. Congrats Tony

As for FAI from what I gathered Mark L. is winning the contest but Matt Kimbro is hot on his heels. (First round is the info I have) Good luck to everyone and I will post more as I find out.

Chip

I guess its official Tony won Masters and Mark L FAI good job both of you. From what I here ML is working hard and I think thats a great thing he is a great pilot. I also want to say good job to Matt Kimbro 2nd, Steve Hannah 3rd and Jim Kimbro 4th. I have flown with these guys quite a bit over the past year and its been really cool watching how much they have improved. Matt I also want to say that even though your trip home now feels like the one from Muncie (lol) its worth it. Jim this is what you get for not letting me hang out with you guys lol(1983)

Chip

I've had some computer problems this week, but I'm back and running now.

Thanks everyone for the kind comments. I was very pleased with the reception the Onas got at the Phoenix contest. Everyone seemed to really like the looks and it is flying well. It's not very often that I can hook up to a new model so quickly. I usually tell people it takes me 100 flights before I start getting happy. I guess the models today are just so much better. Plus maybe I've learned a bit on setting them up.

Tonight I plan on doing a bunch of measuring so that I can post some good set up info. And if I ever can figure out how to get the 12X Datasafe working I hope to be able to have that info available.

Sorry for the delay in posting, but I have some info on Onas set-up.

The CG on mine is at the front edge of the wing tube. This was checked with the model assembled and battery installed, but the canopy off. I can't give you incidence exactly, but my wings are pretty much aligned with the small dots that were on my fuse. I just adjusted the stabs until the elevator trim was at neutral.

I am using five flight conditions. A normal, a snap, a spin, a stall turn and one for landing. The landing one just has a little more elevator, aileron and rudder throw then the normal and it also turns off the low throttle/down elevator mix. I enter a spin in the spin mode, then at the break I switch it back to normal. I use some aileron in the spins. I am using 2% left rudder with low throttle and a bit of down elevator with low throttle. Right now I am using 3% differential. I do have some mixing in rudder/aileron and rudder/elevator. Just adjust as needed. Use expo settings as desired. Definitely seal the aileron hinge line. That made a big difference on mine. The rudder is very powerful, so be ready for that.

Here are the throws. They are in degrees. + means up elevator.

Aileron
Normal - 9.5 degrees, Snap - 18 degrees, Spin - same as normal, Stall Turn - Same as normal

Elevator
Normal - +10, -11, Snap - +13, -13, Spin - +18.5, -18.5, Stall Turn - Same as Normal

Rudder
Normal - 21 degrees, Snap - 22 degrees, Spin - 35 degrees, Stall Turn - 35 degrees

I added a slight bit of downthrust to mine. If you move the CG back you may not need it. If it's a glow powered model you definitely won't need it. I had been using an APC 20.5 x 14 on the Neu motor, but the last time I went out I tried a 21 x 13W and liked it. Not set in stone yet though. As with all models, the only time you stop trimming is when you quit flying it. I am always tweaking on mine.

Hope this helps!

Thanks Tony I like your setup with all the conditions. The more experience I get flying the more I understand that logic.
Also the setup guide is very helpful and I will use it.
I have a second Onas this time the ARF version being shipped early next week. Mickey is helping me with the first one.
Dave Snow is 100% ready with his new bad boy and the comments locally on the plane seem very positive at this point.
Thanks again, Mike Mueller

One thing I need to let everyone know (some of you may already know) is on the control horns that are supplied with the planes(Visa Pass-Port's and Onas also) the clevis has a ball bearning in it. Make sure the when you put the screw through the clevis you do so on the side where you can see most of the bearning. If not the clevis will slid off of the bearning. They are made this way so the bearning can be replaced. Since Tony has the first Onas I hope he can confirm this.
Just let me know if you have any questions

Good point on the BB's. I am pleased to say that I have been hearing good things from some of the first Onas owners and even though I haven't been posting much on here we have been cranking them out left and right along with the Visa's. THis week alone we have three of them and the first all painted one since the prototype. I attached a few pics of Prestons new Onas because it is the second plane that we have cleared since switching to PPG. I know I posted somewhere how nice the Dupont clear was and it is but it takes us about 6 hours to completely polish a plane.

I thought the PPG was great when I used to paint so I had Marcelo get some concept 20/20. The first Onas we cleared monday for only took about an hour to polish and Prestons fuse doesn't even need to be. Daniel the painter had never used this before but he is absolutely satisfied as am I and Marcelo. Of course it costs twice as much but thats the price of making airplanes to these standards.

Prestons wings were not cleared when I took the pics but they are now and I will post some more of them this afternoon. KB's Visa is going to be the first Visa with this clear and it should be done tonight or tommorrow.

More later

Chip

My Onas will be in the air in about 2 weeks. Dave Snow had 1 flight session so far this week. The weather here while warm has been very rainy this week and extremly windy most of the last 2 weeks. Dave is sorting out an initial CG issue and will have it up as soon as the weather allows. He did a real nice job on his and is running the Neu motor which is an incredible powerhorse.
I was waiting on my new Himax power plant. I will set the AXI F3A into the nose but actually be using the new Himax F3A outrunner.
It allows you to use both the Plettenburg or the AXI F3A hole pattern so you have a lot of options for installing what you want. It's shorter than the F3A AXI but the same length as the Pletty. It also weighs 2 ounces less than the AXI. By mounting the AXI I will have options. I have had great success with AXI motors. The one I have in my Integral has over 500 flights on it without ever having a problem. I will however admit that I got lucky this winter when I checked it over and found out that the 4mm screws holding it into the firewall were loose and ready to give way. I'll check it more often than 2 years in the future.
My ARF Onas is almost too pretty to fly. Trust me the quality is sensational.
I'll post pictures of the motor install. I'm using 1/4" lite ply which I laminated with a thin carbon fiber cloth on both sides for the firewall.
So far my modifaications have been to beef up the landing gear plate a bit on the inside of the fuse and I plan on making a slightly different lipo tray that allows me to shift the position easier for the CG. I have packs that varie as much as 4 ounces so I'll need multiple positions available.
Mike Mueller

Mike hold off on your battery tray mod I am just going to the other factory to make a tray extension and they will be in Chris's next shipment. The Onas was the first plane that I designed the battery mount for and I realize now I made it a little to small to accomidate every option.

Another thing that some of you may want to try is running your rudder set up similiar to how Seba has done it in the past. One servo in the tail. Now I know that sounds a little old school to most but I had the luxury of borrowing one of his planes for a couple months when I was in Isreal in 2007 and it works. My first thought was wow I can't believe he is using this, but after flying it I have to say I was very impressed. The direct drive even though its on one side is super solid and you never have to worry about any type of cable flex, stretching, or even breaking. I have used basically this same sytem on all my planes since but I used 2 small servos for the split rudder.

I have found that on the 40% models you can have a more effective rudder with half of the servo power as well by not running cables. I have tried all sorts to elimate the stretch up to 300 pound test and its just not the same.

Just some thoughts guys

CHip

Thanks Chip that sounds great. I'll have to think thru the rudder servo on the tail. Right now I have the elevator servo's mounted in the fuse unlike what Tony did so I'm not sure there is room for the added rudder servo in the tail and besides it wouldn't align with the plate location on the rudder for the horns. Any further suggestions around these concerns is appreciated. Mike