Yep, it can be done. Try and add some triangular stock with epoxy if you have room.

Big,

Not meaning to make lite of your request... but to pull the gear from the wing, cover over the hardwood blocks, put a piece of plywood in front of the wing to mount aluminum landing gear just accomplishes two things. You have increased the weight of the plane and just qualified that Kaos for the "Ugliest Kaos" contest. Anything can be done...after all, it's just balsawood.


Deadstik......[8D]

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Just checked out the SeniorPatternClub web site.
I noticed the president had a coulple of his vintage planes for sale.
I wonder how much he could sell my plane for if I donated it to his club?

Big

Big,

I’ve seen the Kaos 60 kits sell in the $170 - $200+ range on ebay. If your Kaos is in good shape and original it should sell well over the kit price. That’s very, very nice of you to consider donating your Kaos to a worthy cause.

I've met both the president and his wife. They are the nicest people you could ever meet.

They are and the SPA is doing an awesome job of promoting and preserving these classic pattern aircraft.

Jim;
Thanks for the info.
The Aresti landing gear is out of stock.
Big

Hey guys,
I have a Direct Connection Ultimate kaos 60 and i was wondering where i could get a wing for it, i got it from an old family friend and it doesnt have the plans for the wing. How do you guys think it will fly with an enya 61 with a mac tuned pipe and mechanical retracts? Just wondering and personally I love the way the ultimate kaos looks.

Thanks guys,
Josh

Try http://www.dbalsa.com/ they have very light foam wings. I like Spring Air or Rom-Air retracts the best.

Thanks for the info it worked and im now ordering a wing!!!

Josh

[:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:@][:'(][&o][&o][&:][&:][&:]I love pateren and i want to staret competing so if someone can help me i would be very happy

Joe Bridi is a living legend, and one of the nicest gentlemen you will ever meet.
A great designer and pioneer in our sport. I have several of his designs, and most were built bt joe personally. All are a joy to fly and some I dont fly. Just too valuable. Although they are dated designs, most of todays models carry some traits of the origonal kaos.

I had a Super Kaos 60 for 19 years and I put many hundreds of flights on it, so I think I can speak with some authority on the subject.

1. Can it do knife edge? Just barely. Mine was powered by a slightly souped up Super Tigre G.61 and it would just hold level flight in knife edge at full throttle.
2. Is it a fast airplane? Mine was very fast, and I'm comparing this to the many modern pattern ships that fly at my RC field. However, it should be noted that I slightly modified the Super Tigre G.61. Super Tigre rates the stock G.61 at 1.75 HP at 16,000 RPM (an RPM I doubt many people run the engine at). In it's stock form, mine would spin an 11 x 7 wood prop at about 12,000 RPM static. Uping the ante was easy. I added a Perry carburetor and pump and a Super Tigre 20" tuned muffler. Notice I said muffler, not tuned pipe. It was very quiet with a slight tinny rattle, much like a motorcycle. I liked it. Anyway, after the additions were installed, my G.61 would spin an 11 x 8 wood prop at 12,900 RPM static. Now, that's a pretty healthy increase in power.
4. What is the vertical performance with a .60? Don't know about a .60, but my slightly modified .61 would accelerate the Kaos while going straight up. It was awesome. All on standard 15% fuel.

Beyond that, the Super Kaos flew great. It is not state-of-the-art, but it grooves really well and will do all of the basic pattern maneuvers quite well if you practice and get to know the airplane. My favorite maneuvers were loops, cuban-8, horizontal 8, vertical 8, immelmans, stall turns, 4-point hesitation rolls, slow rolls, 4-leaf clovers, etc. Great pattern sport aircraft!

Another noteable point if you're considering a Kaos: my Super Kaos had an empty weight of 6.25 lbs and grossed out at 7 lbs. with full fuel. This is not a model that will leap into the air like a 3D airplane. Likewise, landings were fast and consumed most of our 500' asphalt runway when there was no wind. I found it difficult to slow this airplane down and I dealt with this by installing a nosewheel brake. Of course, there are other ways to deal with this: flaps and a flatter pitch prop would help, along with an engine that idles REAL slow.

-Kaos

I agree with Kaos. The Kaos and Super Kaos 60 were even tempered designs with decent overall performance except for knife edge. I learned to fly pattern on the Super Kaos (more contoured front end than the Kaos) and it won me my first contest. I flew mine with a K&B61 (which was no match for the ST61 on a tuned muffler) which hauled it around quite well. After flying it for a couple years, I gave it to a new guy in the club that showed interest in pattern and he learned to fly pattern with it with a little help from his friends.

Knife flight is easily enhanced by adding some vertical area at around the CG. Half the area of the fin area would work well and make the model yaw much much better. Similar to the dorsal fin of a shark, which is exactly the reason sharks have evolved the dorsal fin: to be able to cut and turn on a dime

regards
MattK

The Bridi and Andrews kits were two of the best available. I am flying a Super Kaos 40 with an OS 46 FX. The old Bridi kit from the 80s not the Tower ARF. I fly it not because I want to fly perfect patterns, but because it is fun to fly

It is the most fun aerobat in my hangar, not the best model for pattern accuracy, but the most fun.

Evan.

How differently does the the Dirty Birdi fly than the Chaos? I like the looks better and am looking for another build. It will be my first low wing aircraft.

Hello everyone.
Have you heard of Senior Pattern Association? .>> www.seniorpattern.com.
Using the old planes, old patterns - and some new engines...let them fly!

I would really like to start a chapter here in California...but no one seems to be responding to my thread.

DRonland "Dave"

Have you considered Florida residence? No fires or earthquakes, just hurricanes. Of course we know those are coming a week in advance. To bad about your no response to the posts for CA interest. There was a good turnout for the first FL "get together" event a month ago or so in Orlando. And the first competition is two weeks from now over in Orlando(actually Apopka, FL). Good Luck

Jlander, the Dirty Birdy favors rolling maneuvers versus the Kaos which favors looping maneuvers because of the wing planforms. Otherwise, they are pretty much the same, with the Dirty Birdy being a little faster.


Ed Cregger

Mike,
Please tell me what is your plane in the pictures and where can I get one. I really like the wing and the moments. What engine do you have on it?
Regards
JC

Very interesting this discussion about the KAOS. I had two and one Super Kaos. The Super, not as good as the original It was not very good in windy weather. The Kaos was fine, really good at this altitude of Bogotá (8.650 feet above sea level). However, my preferred old timer pattern plane is the KWIK FLI MK.III. I have one built in 1970 and I'm still flying it. I also built a Taurus and an UFO. I didn't like very much the UFO, the Taurus, great. BUT I still prefer the Kwik Fli. Perhaps is a matter of tastes. Kraft's designs were simple, elegant and easy to build. As a matter of fact I am presently building a Flea Fli, a 66% scale down version of the Kwik Fli.

Eduardo,

in that case you might be interested in this thread:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_9232656/tm.htm

Post some pictures!

David.