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08-19-2011 | 01:21 PM
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From: Whitestone,
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RE: NEW DLE30!
Your ignition problems with the DLE 30 and 55 were so bad you gave them away?? Did you try returning the ignitions to Tower? (or whoever you bought them from).
08-19-2011 | 01:28 PM
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RE: NEW DLE30!
I'll keep my dle's all 4 of them. The only problem I have had is with my 55 had to replace the membrane in the carb. but all that was is a trip to the lawnmower shop and walbro carb kit and ta da problem was gone. I just finished up my Pilot 30cc extra 260 with a dle 30 and ran the motor today, just a little rich on the high end but tons of power and it turned out to be nose heavy even with CF spinner and a sig tail wheel assembly.
08-19-2011 | 02:40 PM
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From: palm harbor,
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RE: NEW DLE30!
if someone wants to flip the prop by hand ,,,by all means do it.I wont because I am left handed and my fingers already hurt from arthritis ..my dynatron will be good for me.I can spend money and get a miller reduction .or just wire 2 gel cells in a series for 24 v.or try the lipos.
08-19-2011 | 03:37 PM
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From: Perry, IA
RE: NEW DLE30!
Cloudancer... I too am a lefty, but I hand start my 30 and my 20's (DLE's). On all of them, at compression, I adjust the prop to 11:00. A few good hard flips and they are running. On the 30 I have the single bolt hub from VVRC. It let me set the prop where I needed it.
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08-19-2011 | 04:32 PM
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From: palm harbor,
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I did have jodi install a single prop adapter so that is good..I think I have 2 options as for postions.one is at 8 o'clock and yours at 11.also I have a sullivan dynatronand I suspect with a 3 inch cone I can use that as well.
08-19-2011 | 04:42 PM
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I definitly found 11:00 to work better for me. Tried 8:00 and I couldn't get the needed power into the flips. I did need a starter for my second 20 until I got a few tanks of fuel through it. Anyway, whatever it takes to get them purring.
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08-19-2011 | 04:47 PM
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in the back of my mind I am hoping after some gas has benn run through that it will start easily.I am wondering myself if the 8 postion will give enough power to start.we'll find out in a few days.
08-19-2011 | 11:32 PM
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ORIGINAL: greg palmer
You are going to the right spot. I had a similar problem with my dle 30, when doing a blender I would push down elevator and come up on the throttle when the flame out would happen like clockwork. The engine ran fine on the ground good transtion from low to high. Jody told me to richen the low end while other people said to tap and run the breather line inside the fuse, well the low end trick worked no more deadsticks. Jody told me that if you have to run the breather line inside the fuse you have an airflow issue with your cowl.
You are going to the right spot. I had a similar problem with my dle 30, when doing a blender I would push down elevator and come up on the throttle when the flame out would happen like clockwork. The engine ran fine on the ground good transtion from low to high. Jody told me to richen the low end while other people said to tap and run the breather line inside the fuse, well the low end trick worked no more deadsticks. Jody told me that if you have to run the breather line inside the fuse you have an airflow issue with your cowl.
08-20-2011 | 06:29 PM
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I have been happy with my DLE engines, something is just not right with my 30. There seems to be this montra to chase light weight all of the time. This is fine but it depends on the type of plane. Warbirds need nose weight. Also, I bet there is little difference in weight between a mag engine and an EI engine. All of the mag weight is concentrated up front where you need it. With an EI engine it is in the ignition and battery. These can be placed anywhere I suppose.
With an EI engine there is another battery to deal with, a variable for failure really. In all of my years of flying, the batteries were the weak link. If I can avoid them I do. For sport flying fine. It is too bad the EI will not take a good cell technology without a regulator. I am using Eneloop cells with mine that seem to be the best, but I would like to use a lipo or something else.
With an EI engine there is another battery to deal with, a variable for failure really. In all of my years of flying, the batteries were the weak link. If I can avoid them I do. For sport flying fine. It is too bad the EI will not take a good cell technology without a regulator. I am using Eneloop cells with mine that seem to be the best, but I would like to use a lipo or something else.
08-20-2011 | 07:13 PM
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ORIGINAL: vertical grimmace
I have been happy with my DLE engines, something is just not right with my 30. There seems to be this montra to chase light weight all of the time. This is fine but it depends on the type of plane. Warbirds need nose weight. Also, I bet there is little difference in weight between a mag engine and an EI engine. All of the mag weight is concentrated up front where you need it. With an EI engine it is in the ignition and battery. These can be placed anywhere I suppose.
With an EI engine there is another battery to deal with, a variable for failure really. In all of my years of flying, the batteries were the weak link. If I can avoid them I do. For sport flying fine. It is too bad the EI will not take a good cell technology without a regulator. I am using Eneloop cells with mine that seem to be the best, but I would like to use a lipo or something else.
I have been happy with my DLE engines, something is just not right with my 30. There seems to be this montra to chase light weight all of the time. This is fine but it depends on the type of plane. Warbirds need nose weight. Also, I bet there is little difference in weight between a mag engine and an EI engine. All of the mag weight is concentrated up front where you need it. With an EI engine it is in the ignition and battery. These can be placed anywhere I suppose.
With an EI engine there is another battery to deal with, a variable for failure really. In all of my years of flying, the batteries were the weak link. If I can avoid them I do. For sport flying fine. It is too bad the EI will not take a good cell technology without a regulator. I am using Eneloop cells with mine that seem to be the best, but I would like to use a lipo or something else.
08-20-2011 | 07:22 PM
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I agree that there are no options with these items really. The ignitions and carbs. It will be nice when new, specific model engine componants will be available. A micro mag would be great. Also carbs that are the right size for the engines displacement, making the needles less sensative. Right now the only company doing it is Saito. Maybe OS with their new gassers not sure on them.
It will come eventually. I think we are just at the beginning of things with the gassers. They are the future.
It will come eventually. I think we are just at the beginning of things with the gassers. They are the future.
08-20-2011 | 07:47 PM
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ORIGINAL: captinjohn
It is too bad that with this modern tecknoligy some company or some people cannot come up with a mini-mag ignition on the engine. No battery pack at all. Fixed timing is fine for 30cc engines and smaller. Only reason why this has not been done...there is nobody trying to accomplish this small item!!!! We got to drive this home to the engine builders. Its high time to get it done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Capt,n [img][/img] [img][/img][img][/img] [img][/img] [img][/img]
ORIGINAL: vertical grimmace
I have been happy with my DLE engines, something is just not right with my 30. There seems to be this montra to chase light weight all of the time. This is fine but it depends on the type of plane. Warbirds need nose weight. Also, I bet there is little difference in weight between a mag engine and an EI engine. All of the mag weight is concentrated up front where you need it. With an EI engine it is in the ignition and battery. These can be placed anywhere I suppose.
With an EI engine there is another battery to deal with, a variable for failure really. In all of my years of flying, the batteries were the weak link. If I can avoid them I do. For sport flying fine. It is too bad the EI will not take a good cell technology without a regulator. I am using Eneloop cells with mine that seem to be the best, but I would like to use a lipo or something else.
I have been happy with my DLE engines, something is just not right with my 30. There seems to be this montra to chase light weight all of the time. This is fine but it depends on the type of plane. Warbirds need nose weight. Also, I bet there is little difference in weight between a mag engine and an EI engine. All of the mag weight is concentrated up front where you need it. With an EI engine it is in the ignition and battery. These can be placed anywhere I suppose.
With an EI engine there is another battery to deal with, a variable for failure really. In all of my years of flying, the batteries were the weak link. If I can avoid them I do. For sport flying fine. It is too bad the EI will not take a good cell technology without a regulator. I am using Eneloop cells with mine that seem to be the best, but I would like to use a lipo or something else.
I think the answer to small engine ignitions is the the piezoelectric transformer but you will still need a battery.
08-20-2011 | 08:06 PM
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From: MIDLAND, TX
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Back in 90 I was installing Star Fire ignitions on Ajax Industral engines. It was two magnets spaced at different time and the first magnet was to charge the coil and the second magmet fired the plug . All this off the flywheel. I've wondered if this could be possible with todays advanced eletronics on a smaller scale. Oh mind you they had different pickups for each magnet. Great system no moving parts.
08-21-2011 | 02:31 AM
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ORIGINAL: FOOPED
Back in 90 I was installing Star Fire ignitions on Ajax Industral engines. It was two magnets spaced at different time and the first magnet was to charge the coil and the second magmet fired the plug . All this off the flywheel. I've wondered if this could be possible with todays advanced eletronics on a smaller scale. Oh mind you they had different pickups for each magnet. Great system no moving parts.
Back in 90 I was installing Star Fire ignitions on Ajax Industral engines. It was two magnets spaced at different time and the first magnet was to charge the coil and the second magmet fired the plug . All this off the flywheel. I've wondered if this could be possible with todays advanced eletronics on a smaller scale. Oh mind you they had different pickups for each magnet. Great system no moving parts.
) - never thought about that ignition concept for our purposes before but it could fairly easily be done I am sure.
08-21-2011 | 04:57 AM
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ORIGINAL: dirtybird
If you would like to look back a bit there was a manufacturer that tried to make a mini mag. That was Malony (sp?). It worked but you had to spin it 2000 RPM to get it to start.
I think the answer to small engine ignitions is the the piezoelectric transformer but you will still need a battery.
ORIGINAL: captinjohn
It is too bad that with this modern tecknoligy some company or some people cannot come up with a mini-mag ignition on the engine. No battery pack at all. Fixed timing is fine for 30cc engines and smaller. Only reason why this has not been done...there is nobody trying to accomplish this small item!!!! We got to drive this home to the engine builders. Its high time to get it done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Capt,n [img][/img] [img][/img][img][/img] [img][/img] [img][/img]
ORIGINAL: vertical grimmace
I have been happy with my DLE engines, something is just not right with my 30. There seems to be this montra to chase light weight all of the time. This is fine but it depends on the type of plane. Warbirds need nose weight. Also, I bet there is little difference in weight between a mag engine and an EI engine. All of the mag weight is concentrated up front where you need it. With an EI engine it is in the ignition and battery. These can be placed anywhere I suppose.
With an EI engine there is another battery to deal with, a variable for failure really. In all of my years of flying, the batteries were the weak link. If I can avoid them I do. For sport flying fine. It is too bad the EI will not take a good cell technology without a regulator. I am using Eneloop cells with mine that seem to be the best, but I would like to use a lipo or something else.
I have been happy with my DLE engines, something is just not right with my 30. There seems to be this montra to chase light weight all of the time. This is fine but it depends on the type of plane. Warbirds need nose weight. Also, I bet there is little difference in weight between a mag engine and an EI engine. All of the mag weight is concentrated up front where you need it. With an EI engine it is in the ignition and battery. These can be placed anywhere I suppose.
With an EI engine there is another battery to deal with, a variable for failure really. In all of my years of flying, the batteries were the weak link. If I can avoid them I do. For sport flying fine. It is too bad the EI will not take a good cell technology without a regulator. I am using Eneloop cells with mine that seem to be the best, but I would like to use a lipo or something else.
I think the answer to small engine ignitions is the the piezoelectric transformer but you will still need a battery.
08-21-2011 | 07:10 AM
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From: palm harbor,
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capt'n your just the guy to do it.now find the venture capitalist and get it done you'll have a alot of orders.given all the other crazy inventions in this hobby to get your wallet yours is an idea that makes a lot of sense.now go get it done.lol
08-21-2011 | 10:46 AM
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A very nice way to show my and your age Steve. Now that the thought is out there maybe an electronic guru could jump in an come up with a plan. This could save weight also and leave the battery just for receiver only.
08-21-2011 | 11:55 AM
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From: Hamilton, NEW ZEALAND
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Hey guys , Shoot me down if you want , but are we not getting a little off track here .
Some of us are having a ball with the models fitted with the DLE 30 , nothing wrong with it , just fire it up and go.
The only issue we have found is that the motors likes to be wet before tryng to start it.
I had 7 flights withmy Stang yesterday with no issues at all .
Graeme
Some of us are having a ball with the models fitted with the DLE 30 , nothing wrong with it , just fire it up and go.
The only issue we have found is that the motors likes to be wet before tryng to start it.
I had 7 flights withmy Stang yesterday with no issues at all .
Graeme
08-21-2011 | 12:03 PM
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The DLE-30v2 will be my first gas engine. Must I run a smart fly ignition cut off with this engine? I will be running a 2700mah 4.8v NiMh ignition battery and a Xoar 18x8
Regards,
Shane
Regards,
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08-21-2011 | 12:11 PM
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From: Hamilton, NEW ZEALAND
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Must I run a smart fly ignition cut off with this engine?
Best to use an ignition cut off for safety reasons .
MeI use an old 1400 Ni-cad battery at present , runs all day .
I find that I have to prime the motor to start it for some reason . think it is a chinese problem
Rear carb meant that I use a brass tube built into the model to achieve this , bit of a pain
Graeme
Best to use an ignition cut off for safety reasons .
MeI use an old 1400 Ni-cad battery at present , runs all day .
I find that I have to prime the motor to start it for some reason . think it is a chinese problem
Rear carb meant that I use a brass tube built into the model to achieve this , bit of a pain
Graeme
08-21-2011 | 12:19 PM
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From: Whitestone,
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GSK - I'm having a hard time starting my DLE 30 - how many rotations do you give it with an open throttle and closed choke to "prime" it? It does eventually start, but not near as easily as my DLE 20. I'm jealous of the guys here who start it by hand - I need a starter. Just not sure if I'm priming it too much or too little.
