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Old 02-08-2016, 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by SrTelemaster150
FA-100 is NOT a direct fit for the 91S. The FA-115 is.
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Old 02-08-2016, 03:41 AM
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Dave even trev uses an apc to compare prop figures so they mean something to the vast majority of us all and here's me feeling guilty cause i caned my 30 to silly figures.
Old 02-08-2016, 05:00 AM
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hi can anyone here at the satio club help me ,
i dont see the Saito FG-17 (100) 4-Stroke Gas Engine for sale at chief aircraft or horzion hobby has this engine been discontinued
Old 02-08-2016, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by the pope
Enough already , what is it kick the pope day or something ? If you must know when the pope was born he was so ugly he slapped himself in the face . Even Tele has had a shot , he's finaly lowered himself to my level . He must have a sense of humor after all . Who knows one day we might become friends ! cheers the pope
Well Popey you aren't alone, some guys are born good looking and other rich as h3ll! And from personal experience i can tell you it's h3ll being beat out of both!
Old 02-08-2016, 01:53 PM
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Dave, the 65 was supposed to be good for 10K RPM on FAI fuel when it was new. Told my mate about your figures and we ran one of his that had just got re bearinged and we got 10K without tuning the rebuilt (read cleaned and new o ring) carby. And that was with 2 different tachos. Old Fart yes we use APC props, the best "working prop" we can lay our hands on.
Old 02-08-2016, 04:14 PM
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What prop, Please. 12x6 maybe.
Old 02-09-2016, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
Well Popey you aren't alone, some guys are born good looking and other rich as h3ll! And from personal experience i can tell you it's h3ll being beat out of both!
Should we all think about joining? some sort of club.12x6 on the 65? dave.Had one on a 62 can't remember the rpm but sounded good on the old style muffler.

Okc woman's handbags come from huge over the shoulder jobbys containing spanners even,to really small ones carelessly slung around with cash falling out.Could we run a women's survey to see if the size is connected to the iq??
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Originally Posted by Old Fart
Okc woman's handbags come from huge over the shoulder jobbys containing spanners even,to really small ones carelessly slung around with cash falling out.Could we run a women's survey to see if the size is connected to the iq??
I would be leary of approaching a woman with a huge bag full of spanners, they use them as lethal weapons!

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Old 02-10-2016, 03:49 AM
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I was expecting popey to say that spanners are used for untightening nuts but it looks like i have,you are right tho an angry woman approaching with a bag full of tools is the perfect excuse to try out the new mac 10 she bought you for christmas.

Trev i've just run some good numbers with the 82 on 10% that has been left out in the shed rain hail or shine and it gets a fair bit of daylight,it was pink but in the old refuelling tin it looks green
Old 02-10-2016, 10:19 AM
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Well i have tried everything with the same results prop and Dubro prop spinner/nut come loose every time i try to start my inverted Saito. This time i tried the backflip method. I turned the radio and plane on and opened to full throttle. I placed my finger over the carb and turned the prop until i could hear fuel in the carb. moved the throttle down to about 1/4 open . I turned the prop by hand to check for hydro lock and all felt good. I then turned the prop up against the compression at about 2 o clock facing the front of the plane i hand flipped the prop clockwise the prop kicked back and prop,washer and dubro spinner/nut came off. I tightened it down more than any plane i have dealt with before i did any of this. At this point i am at a loss i am thinking of just mounting it sideways and hopefully that corrects the issue. I am totally frustrated and i do appreciate all the past help i have had from this thread.I do have a inverted Saito 72 and it starts with no issues.

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Old 02-10-2016, 01:51 PM
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don't prime the engine, pull it through a couple of times and use an electric starter. When starting use 1/4 throttle max and adjust as necessary during the starting procedure.
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What sort of plug are you using and does it had a washer between the plug and head? If missing this can upset the timing.
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Success!!!!!!! No priming of the engine i hit it with the electric starter and she cracked right up . The idle was perfect now hopefully this windy cold weather will give me a break and i can maiden her...... Thanks to everyone for all the help i will try and put my wingcam on and upload the video link...
Old 02-10-2016, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by p3arljam
Success!!!!!!! No priming of the engine i hit it with the electric starter and she cracked right up . The idle was perfect now hopefully this windy cold weather will give me a break and i can maiden her...... Thanks to everyone for all the help i will try and put my wingcam on and upload the video link...
Gee, where have I heard that before?

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I use throttle trim to shut mine down & that eliminates any siphoning. I use an electric started for the 1st start of the day to get things juiced up only cracking the throttle just before I start to spin it over. That routine works well W/inverted Saitos
Old 02-11-2016, 04:22 AM
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Dan, I got a surprise yesterday when I sat the old Saito .65 I've been working on into the mount on a GP Big Stick 40. The .65 is too long and the forward mount holes are half a hole off the end of the mount. Rather than butcher the firewall for a different mount as I have in the past I sat a .62 on there. It's a perfect fit. I'll find some other home for the .65.

PS, I now have three of the early high compression Saitos, an early 1.50, and early .80 and the just mentioned .65. Their compression ratios are, 11.24 for the 1.50, 15.5 for the .80 and 12.7 for the .65. Are you ware of any other sizes with high compression. I know there is an early version of the 1.30 twin that has the same 12.7 to 1 as the .65.. Thanks
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This has probably been answered many times but I gotta ask anyway......

What is the best way to get after run oil into the bearings on a Saito (150 in this case)?

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Sr you keep that kind of friendly stuff up and i'm gettin the 5000psi compressed air nail gun out of my trailer i last put it away after i fired the handbrake.

Pearl awesome result mate.When you first run the engine it can be scary and you don't think sometimes,least i did'nt and when the dust settles you end up with a good inverted saito you are happy to fly.What sr suggested is good re throttle trim but outside the scope of sensible unless you have a huge adjustment range.Don't use any throttle on start up just set the trim to idle at what rpm suits you.
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Jim i got a plastic squeeze bottle with some atf in it.About a tea spoon and hit it with the starter for a bit.
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Since all the Saito experts hang out over here and the Saito .56 has been much discussed already I would like your opinions. I'm looking at an old partially finished VK Models Fokker DR.1 Specs are 47" WS, 37" L, 19" high, Weight 5.25 lbs, and recommended engine is a .48 to .70. I am considering a Saito .56 or .62, how do these two compare in performance and why choose that engine? I want scale like performance, it is a WWI airplane it shouldn't rocket or fly 3D. Let the verbal Melee commence!
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Jim this is the way I do it, I just pump about two pump strokes into the vent, that usually causes a little to exit the front bearing. It has never effected to front seals ability to do it's job. The larger than .62 engines require 3 pumps strokes.

PS, I ought to mention that I drilled out the original spray aperture and inserted a piece of the plastic fuel tubing that comes with fuel tanks and I never use.
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http://sceptreflight.net/Model%20Eng...o%20FA-56.html

Here is a nice write up on the .56, neither Clarence Lee nor Peter Chinn evaluated the .62. I suspect Mr. Chinn had already passed away when the .62 came out.
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Originally Posted by Dave, FormerDairyFarmer
http://sceptreflight.net/Model%20Eng...o%20FA-56.html

Here is a nice write up on the .56, neither Clarence Lee nor Peter Chinn evaluated the .62. I suspect Mr. Chinn had already passed away when the .62 came out.
Thanks for the article!
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Thanks for the replies....Dave your set up looks like something I need to do.
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On that old VK model, if it is anything like the Marutaka kits I have the 56 will be at the top end of performance that you want. Look at the year of manufacture and then look at the engines of the era to get an idea of what size to fir (Compare HP out put) and remember our modern engines are usually lighter than the older types referred to in old kits.
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Originally Posted by Dave, FormerDairyFarmer
Dan, I got a surprise yesterday when I sat the old Saito .65 I've been working on into the mount on a GP Big Stick 40. The .65 is too long and the forward mount holes are half a hole off the end of the mount. Rather than butcher the firewall for a different mount as I have in the past I sat a .62 on there. It's a perfect fit. I'll find some other home for the .65.

PS, I now have three of the early high compression Saitos, an early 1.50, and early .80 and the just mentioned .65. Their compression ratios are, 11.24 for the 1.50, 15.5 for the .80 and 12.7 for the .65. Are you ware of any other sizes with high compression. I know there is an early version of the 1.30 twin that has the same 12.7 to 1 as the .65.. Thanks

The FA-200Ti is up there, but I can't remember exactly what it is off the top of my head. I'm pretty sure its in 12.xx:1 range.

It utilizes the FA-91 piston & has a longer stroke to increase displacement to 1.00 Cu In per cylinder. That is probably where the extra compression comes from.

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