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05-01-2019, 01:54 AM
Hey Pete,
The bungs on the fuel can we're turned from aluminum bar stock. There is, as you see, a flange below that flange is a short spigot that fits into a closely fitted hole. The bugs were welded from the other side to keep the exposed side "clean". The two brass fittings were turned and two wrenching flats milled on the sides. To keep them aligned they were assembled to the aluminum bungs and welded in position,
Those milk can tanks look a lot like vehicular propane tanks. (?) Maybe liquid nitrogen cans?
That Dave Brown can was a very popular sight at fields during the 1980z along with one of his famous "Six Shooter" rubber hose pumps.
Used to see Dave at the Toledo Show as well as in the old World Engines adverts in the magazines Quite a flier in his day and a good drinking buddy from what I hear. He made quite a few high quality products and sold them at very reasonable prices .
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05-01-2019, 02:22 AM
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I had one of those DB rubber hose Six Shooters for Gasoline/Davis Diesel fuel, whatever they made the hose from was too stiff and popped off all the time. I finally got a Sullivan big fuel bulb and still have it. For glow fuel I use a Hobby-Lobby brass geared electric pump from long ago. At one time someone made a kit of brass parts to make up a cap similar to the PSP I showed but used a regular steel cap as on the DB can. It lacked an O-ring seal so I only kept gasoline in it when I flew Maloney's, Zenoah's and a Mustang 50/Fuji 50.
Your fuel can is a beautiful piece of work, I can't and won't deny that.
Your fuel can is a beautiful piece of work, I can't and won't deny that.
05-01-2019, 02:44 AM
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This milker looks about right for being banged around in a barn for many years, the diaphragms in the pulsator had to be replaced every so often as did
the liners. Your milk cans would certainly draw attention and comments at any field.
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05-01-2019, 03:17 AM
Ok ok they are 1954 sample navy powder tanks.
The tall one holds 1-1/12 gallons the short one just short of a gallon.
They are a real head turner at events.
The tall one I have had for years and took that long to find the short one along with a couple more of the tall ones. There getting pretty spendy seeing how there getting rare.
By the way I love the home made can those are a work of art.
note don’t need a funnel to fill them up either how cool is that
The tall one holds 1-1/12 gallons the short one just short of a gallon.
They are a real head turner at events.
The tall one I have had for years and took that long to find the short one along with a couple more of the tall ones. There getting pretty spendy seeing how there getting rare.
By the way I love the home made can those are a work of art.
note don’t need a funnel to fill them up either how cool is that
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05-01-2019, 03:25 AM
05-01-2019, 03:27 AM
Those powder cans are pretty slick. Look like they may be plated steel(?)
I wasn't looking for beauty. Clean and very functional was the prime goal. "Form follows function" is the old saying.
I wasn't looking for beauty. Clean and very functional was the prime goal. "Form follows function" is the old saying.
05-01-2019, 03:31 AM
Been try to find something more different but it’s hard to come up with new things my Imagination isn’t that great
05-01-2019, 03:31 AM
Here ya go, plenty on eBay!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Old-Stock-1945-Aluminum-Replacement-Powder-Tank-MK-1-MOD-1-Water-Proof/253647806203?_trkparms=aid%3D333200%26algo%3DCOMP. MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20171012094517%26meid%3Dc6c2c aa9689c4db8a8937cddf59123c5%26pid%3D100008%26rk%3D 1%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D273567068453%26itm%3D2536478062 03&_trksid=p2047675.c100008.m2219
And they are aluminum after all!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Old-Stock-1945-Aluminum-Replacement-Powder-Tank-MK-1-MOD-1-Water-Proof/253647806203?_trkparms=aid%3D333200%26algo%3DCOMP. MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20171012094517%26meid%3Dc6c2c aa9689c4db8a8937cddf59123c5%26pid%3D100008%26rk%3D 1%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D273567068453%26itm%3D2536478062 03&_trksid=p2047675.c100008.m2219
And they are aluminum after all!
05-01-2019, 03:54 AM
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PSP cap for the can it's laying on in picture.
I can't believe it but I still have some of that old junk, Glober, did you say you could use a fuel can cap for a small capped can, I have the one pictured. The gasoline can with the pump smells like turpentine. It's almost full. The other has some Diesel fuel I mixed up as an experiment for Bob Davis using pump Diesel in lieu of kerosene,it had more power than the kerosene based fuel but did not idle or transition well.
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05-01-2019, 04:29 AM
Mine is a VP metal fuel can with the small plastic threaded spout. Are the plastic spouts threaded the same as the metal ones?
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05-01-2019, 05:34 AM
We had a fellow in our club very seriously burned by a GLOW FUEL explosion, initiated from an electric pump. The flame was actually sucked into the plastic bottle and burst. I know it is a one in a million but had he been alone, he probably would have died. Another club member heard to pop and looked over only to see the fellow's shirt melting into his flesh. He immediately ran over, knocked the dazed flier down and put out the flames.
This is a well known event in our club.
I like the geared manual pumps. Set up correctly and used with clean fuel, they are very controllable, fast and they can last for years. I take mine apart for cleaning and lubing every spring.
Looks like the 6"X15" powder can should easily hold around 1.7 gallons of panther pee.
This is a well known event in our club.
I like the geared manual pumps. Set up correctly and used with clean fuel, they are very controllable, fast and they can last for years. I take mine apart for cleaning and lubing every spring.
Looks like the 6"X15" powder can should easily hold around 1.7 gallons of panther pee.
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05-01-2019, 05:39 AM
We had a fellow in our club very seriously burned by a GLOW FUEL explosion, initiated from an electric pump. The flame was actually sucked into the plastic bottle and burst. I know it is a one in a million but had he been alone, he probably would have died. Another club member heard to pop and looked over only to see the fellow's shirt melting into his flesh. He immediately ran over, knocked the dazed flier down and put out the flames.
This is a well known event in our club.
I like the geared manual pumps. Set up correctly and used with clean fuel, they are very controllable, fast and they can last for years. I take mine apart for cleaning and lubing every spring.
This is a well known event in our club.
I like the geared manual pumps. Set up correctly and used with clean fuel, they are very controllable, fast and they can last for years. I take mine apart for cleaning and lubing every spring.
05-01-2019, 06:27 AM
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Except for the wheels it looked like this at first, even down to the ACE Micro-Pro which I still have. The handle is flipped over to keep it level when the wheels are on it.
This is called the Flight Assistant, built by me in 2,000 from AMA plan # 520, it has been in Va., Md, Pa, Ohio, W.Va. and South Carolina. I still have the plans because I didn't use them as intended. You were supposed to tack glue them to the wood, then cut out the pieces, I used a couple of squares and simply drew the lines on the wood and then cut them out on a 10" table saw. I have been seriously thinking about building another.
The Hobby-Lobby geared pump has been replaced with Sullivan Stream.
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05-01-2019, 06:35 AM
Like I said, highly unusual, especially with methanol, but this guy was totally off guard and badly burned. Our other club member, Jim absolutely saved the guy's life . I never liked sparks and fuel anywhere near each other aside from in the combustion chamber.
When I was a kid, a couple of buddies were working on their mini bike in the basement. There was gasoline on rags and a bit of gasoline on the floor. The smell of gasoline was STRONG. I was at the other end of the basement when I heard someone say "Lets check for a spark". Before I got to shout NO there wer flames. One of the fellows grabbed a towel and laid it over the flames. The towel had gas on it too. Another guy managed to grab an old wool Army blanket and smothered the flames. The bike was at the base of the stairs, blocking the escape route. Luckily the blanket did the trick!
I bet we all have similar stories, glad we are able to be here to share them!
When I was a kid, a couple of buddies were working on their mini bike in the basement. There was gasoline on rags and a bit of gasoline on the floor. The smell of gasoline was STRONG. I was at the other end of the basement when I heard someone say "Lets check for a spark". Before I got to shout NO there wer flames. One of the fellows grabbed a towel and laid it over the flames. The towel had gas on it too. Another guy managed to grab an old wool Army blanket and smothered the flames. The bike was at the base of the stairs, blocking the escape route. Luckily the blanket did the trick!
I bet we all have similar stories, glad we are able to be here to share them!
05-01-2019, 08:22 AM
Close calls with Nitro
I don't have a field box. When loading up the suv I used to put the battery, tool bag and radio on the passenger floorboard and the planes in the rear. The fuel all the way at the back. NOT a good idea when you have to make an emergency stop. The metal fuel can flew all the way up front into the passenger floorboard and settled less than 1/2" from the battery terminals! Of course not before it caused damage to two planes on the way. At least my Saitos came through unscathed. Now that I think about it I swore I'd build a field box, still hasn't happened and that was 3vyrs. ago. Whoops. Anyway the battery still gets hauled on the passenger floorboard but the fuel can now gets placed behind the passenger seat.
I still haven't found a field box design that I really like. Less is more for me as I make it a habit to never work on planes at the local field. Whatever I design needs to sit behind the passenger seat. It only needs to store a 7 amp/hr batt, 1 gl. fuel with pump, 12v starter, 2 glow ignitors and very few tools in a roll up pouch. Gary's fuel can/box design is the closest to what I envision for a field box but I don't work with metal much. I'm a woodworker.
Saitos, more Saitos!
I still haven't found a field box design that I really like. Less is more for me as I make it a habit to never work on planes at the local field. Whatever I design needs to sit behind the passenger seat. It only needs to store a 7 amp/hr batt, 1 gl. fuel with pump, 12v starter, 2 glow ignitors and very few tools in a roll up pouch. Gary's fuel can/box design is the closest to what I envision for a field box but I don't work with metal much. I'm a woodworker.
Saitos, more Saitos!
05-01-2019, 08:23 AM
Saitos NIB
I have an opportunity to buy an FA-60T and an FA30s GK from a retired club flyer. Both engines are new in the box. What would be a good "not more than X US dollars" price for each? I'd like to feel good about what I pay for them but at the same time I don't want to insult the old feller.
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