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Old 09-10-2019, 06:52 AM
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I need to put a battery pack together for my starter. The Nicad died a horrible death. I also need a larger starter for the DLE30 and the FG-30's. I can get the engine spinning if I help it on the first pop, then it will spin it until it starts, but not enough torque to get past that first compression stroke. I also need to get some prop hubs for both. The DLE isn't broken in yet, so doesn't start by hand yet, but my DA-100 does. Goes to show the difference between a quality engine and a chinese one. The first Saito FG-30 is almost to the hand start stage, needs some more run time though, then once I can start it by hand, I will run in the other one.

I have a large 3S Lipo, actually a pair of them, I think they are either 6K or 8K packs that have not even been tapped yet that I can use to power the starter. Now if I got my crap together and buy a 3D printer I could make a case for it.
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That Sullivan/DeWalt 20V combo spins a FA-180 very well
The adapter is from a Ni-Cd to Lithium adapter from eBay. I sawed the NiCd "nose off and bolted it to the Sullivan's tail. Uses standard DeWalt packs now. Easy to find, Easy to change and very easy to charge. Works pretty darn good!
Old 09-10-2019, 07:02 AM
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Thats a thought as well. I could do something like that using Porter Cable packs as that is what I have at home. I do need to replace the lithium cells though, they are not holding as much charge as they used to after nearly 20 years. If I can find one of the old lights or drills that use that base, I could do the same.
Old 09-10-2019, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
I think it is the luck of the draw when it comes to ARFs built in China. You have so much variance in quality and workmanship even in the same factory.

Well, here's one made in Vietnam, what am I to do with this mess, I am sending these pictures to Sig to see what happens.

Cowl top.



Engine mounting started, upper right blind nut ans screw in since picture.
Old 09-10-2019, 08:22 AM
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Second pic doesn't look too bad, hit it with a heat gun until it balloons out and let it cool without pressing the covering down. After that an iron will put it in place. In the first pic it looks like there's some balsa probs? Hard to tell. If it's a newly shipped product you have return options.

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Old 09-10-2019, 08:29 AM
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T-Clips 70? Mine was like that too, had to kit it with the heat gun to get it to set. It is Oracover/Ultracoat, so it shrinks nice, though I suspect they "might" be using the stuff that Hobbyking sells and saying it is Ultracoat. Nothing wrong with the HK covering, in fact it is really good stuff. Crunch has my Rascal that is covered in it.

I had remembered tht I needed to see if I could find replacement Lithium cells for my Porter Cable Lithium packs and found a company make replacement packs on Amazon. Got a pair of new ones on the way, now to see if I can find one of the 18v flashlights that I can hack into a mount for the starter.
Old 09-10-2019, 08:33 AM
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Sorry, I guess it doesn't show that the wood is crushed, I'll see what Sig says before continuing with the engine mounting. She'll respond very quickly, at least that has always been the case in the past. That engine is really off center but the prop driver a full 6" ahead of the firewall. Thanks for the thoughts, I may very well end up heeding them.

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Old 09-10-2019, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Jesse Open
That Sullivan/DeWalt 20V combo spins a FA-180 very well
The adapter is from a Ni-Cd to Lithium adapter from eBay. I sawed the NiCd "nose off and bolted it to the Sullivan's tail. Uses standard DeWalt packs now. Easy to find, Easy to change and very easy to charge. Works pretty darn good!
Got a picture of this setup?

Sorry, I guess it doesn't show that the wood is crushed, I'll see what Sig says before continuing with the engine mounting. She'll respond very quickly, at least that has always been the case in the past. That engine is really off center but he prop driver a full 6" ahead of the firewall. Thanks form the thoughts, I may very well end up heeding them.
I see it now, nose was crushed.
Old 09-10-2019, 09:01 AM
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So there I was sitting in my trusty beanbag chair eating Cheetos nak... er .... anyway my reverie was interrupted when the doorbell rings. On opening the door I discovered a box is sitting on the porch (The courier had obviously delivered her before). Being a little distracted at moment I stuck it in the closet without opening it. Later I noticed a strange sound emanating from the closet where the box sat. It had an eerie unmistakable quality about it....


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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
So there I was sitting in my trusty beanbag chair eating Cheetos nak...

You do that too? Since I live in the country, I can do that in the barn too, but for some odd reason the horses laugh at me when I do.....
Old 09-10-2019, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by acdii
Got a picture of this setup


Two versions: the Large, 12 to 24 volt version here.


This is the standard Sullivan. Works real well at 18 volts

Wont do the knuckle draggin cave folks much good; the adapter also has a USB output so you can charge your iPhone too


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What did you get the base from that it fit so well? Looks a lot safer than strapping a Lipo underneath and hoping it doesn't get dropped or struck with something.
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I like those starters. I have an extra Sullivan starter but the two yellow plastic ends are broken.
Old 09-10-2019, 10:02 AM
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I have those red Hobbico ones, though I think they are a bit weak, will see when I can put more than 12v through them.
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Originally Posted by acdii
I have those red Hobbico ones, though I think they are a bit weak, will see when I can put more than 12v through them.
My working starter is a red Hobbico, you use what you got.
Old 09-10-2019, 11:23 AM
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Looking to get one like this for the bigger engines. I think I have a Torquemaster 180 and a 90, have to double check. I think the 180 is the one that has the battery pack.
Old 09-10-2019, 11:47 AM
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Hmm look what I found at HobbyKing

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/gas-engi...ree-wheel.html



On backorder, but looks like a pretty neat tool.
Old 09-10-2019, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by acdii
I have those red Hobbico ones, though I think they are a bit weak, will see when I can put more than 12v through them.
Love to hear how that works out. No way I would mess with 18v nicads, 20v li-ion a different story.

Holy crap, I just realised I have a dead 20v Dewalt saws-all sitting in my scrap pile, I'm all over that!

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Old 09-10-2019, 03:01 PM
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My problem is the batteries give up before the tool!
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Originally Posted by Captcrunch44

even that would have to be close to 300 pounds.
Thats still heavy in my book.
Alrighty Mike, the 50 is cleaned up, It's not wearing it's original cam box, it will when I am done with it. It's the only one I have or have seen with that spacer in front of the carb, my other 50 does not have it. this one requires it though. Thanks again

Saito 50-a

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Old 09-10-2019, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
My problem is the batteries give up before the tool!
DeWalt Lithium batteries use very high quality cells. The 20 volt are actually 18 loaded. They use the 20 volt to distinguish them apart from the NiCd packs from the older tools.

The lithium packs are flat and compact. The old NiCd pack had a projecting nose that slipped in to the tool handle. On eBay and Amazon there are various adopters that allow the lithium pack to work in the old NiCd tools. It is that adapter that I adapt to fit the lithium battery to the Sullivan type starter.
By bandsawing that nose section off it allows the adapter to use the two starter studs to attach the adapter at the rear. Just about that easy too! Hook up the two wires, right way round and assemble. Now go start your engine. No voltage drop from that 4 foot cord going down to the old lead acid tractor battery. Much more instant power on tap and no leaky nasty wet battery to deal with.

Somebody will just have to hate it

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Originally Posted by Rudolph Hart
Dave just a friendly query...90% of the rc planes i can think of would look weird with an upright saito mounting, can you post some examples of what you fly? personally i think they run better on their sides and almost as well inverted. Although i never run spark ignition i imagine it would make the whole thing easier, especially at idle an low rpm.

ps jim shoosh, i manage to get myself in trouble without help most times
be careful out there Pete LOL

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Originally Posted by Jesse Open
DeWalt Lithium batteries use very high quality cells. The 20 volt are actually 18 loaded. They use the 20 volt to distinguish them apart from the NiCd packs from the older tools.

The lithium packs are flat and compact. The old NiCd pack had a projecting nose that slipped in to the tool handle. On eBay and Amazon there are various adopters that allow the lithium pack to work in the old NiCd tools. It is that adapter that I adapt to fit the lithium battery to the Sullivan type starter.
By bandsawing that nose section off it allows the adapter to use the two starter studs to attach the adapter at the rear. Just about that easy too! Hook up the two wires, right way round and assemble. Now go start your engine. No voltage drop from that 4 foot cord going down to the old lead acid tractor battery. Much more instant power on tap and no leaky nasty wet battery to deal with.

Somebody will just have to hate it
Is this it?
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I wish they made one to fit Craftsman I have an old sawsall in need of a battery.
Old 09-11-2019, 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyerInOKC
I wish they made one to fit Craftsman I have an old sawsall in need of a battery.
Odds are you could take apart the Craftsman battery pack and marry that part to the DeWalt adapter.

Speaking of upright engines: This is a 1997 pic of my kit built Sig Something Extra. Originally a Saito 56, now with its YS 53.

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