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These are a couple of pictures of the painted cowl using Nelson Hobby paints. Not perfect, but the best I've ever done, and I'm pleased with the results. There were a couple spots where a little whiff of the blue got under the masking tape. The stencils were from Vikie at Getstencils.com, but were difficult to apply because of the curved surface of the bumps. She makes a good product, it's just a difficult spot to apply them. Before painting the blue, I brushed on a light coat of Polyu to seal the edges, which really helped. I'm trying to decide on color for the pin striping. Red, black or gold, any comments?
hopkimf
I had an old file with the full size Waco trim where the bumps needed to be modified to fit the cowl of Peter's third scale Waco. The rest of the files will probably need to be modified also. Then me know if you want them after they all have been modified to fit properly.
chuck
hopkimf
I had an old file with the full size Waco trim where the bumps needed to be modified to fit the cowl of Peter's third scale Waco. The rest of the files will probably need to be modified also. Then me know if you want them after they all have been modified to fit properly.
chuck
09-14-2013, 08:11 AM
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Okay, Here is the roster to date.
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09-15-2013, 05:33 AM
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I was wondering if anyone could help me. On my WACO SRE (1/6th scale) I know I need to include rib stitching in some areas, as described below:
"The composite metal tubing and wood fuselage structure was mostly fabric covered. In some areas of both the fuselage and vertical tail surfaces, the fabric was stitched to the underlying stringers or ribs. Tapes, 1½ inches wide, were “doped” over the stitching. This is shown by triple lines in appropriate areas on the drawings. Metal panels and window frames were screwed to the underlying fuselage structure. The panels on the rear portion (accessory section) of the rear engine cowling were secured by “DZUS” fasteners to allow quick removal.
The elevators were built-up welded steel framework, covered with fabric. The fabric was stitched to the ribs and the stitching was covered with doped-on 1½ inch wide tapes. While there was negligible fabric sag between the ribs, the tapes were noticeable. The controllable elevator trimming tab on the port elevator was if metal construction. The trimming tab has a piano hinge on top surface.
The wings(?), ailerons, flaps and horizontal stabilizer were built-up of wood with plastic-bonded plywood skinning. The completed wooden assemblies were given a final covering of “doped-on” fabric. When painted and “hand-rubbed” these surfaces were very smooth."
The trouble is that on the photographs I cannot see what the edges of the tapes should look like, should these be pinked? I can't see a zig-zag pattern but neither do I see the edge, the photos are not close-up enough for this. Perhaps someone knows?
The described 1.5 inches would mean 6mm of tape width on my model. Is that even available?
Hopefully some wise person can help me... Thanks!
Kim
"The composite metal tubing and wood fuselage structure was mostly fabric covered. In some areas of both the fuselage and vertical tail surfaces, the fabric was stitched to the underlying stringers or ribs. Tapes, 1½ inches wide, were “doped” over the stitching. This is shown by triple lines in appropriate areas on the drawings. Metal panels and window frames were screwed to the underlying fuselage structure. The panels on the rear portion (accessory section) of the rear engine cowling were secured by “DZUS” fasteners to allow quick removal.
The elevators were built-up welded steel framework, covered with fabric. The fabric was stitched to the ribs and the stitching was covered with doped-on 1½ inch wide tapes. While there was negligible fabric sag between the ribs, the tapes were noticeable. The controllable elevator trimming tab on the port elevator was if metal construction. The trimming tab has a piano hinge on top surface.
The wings(?), ailerons, flaps and horizontal stabilizer were built-up of wood with plastic-bonded plywood skinning. The completed wooden assemblies were given a final covering of “doped-on” fabric. When painted and “hand-rubbed” these surfaces were very smooth."
The trouble is that on the photographs I cannot see what the edges of the tapes should look like, should these be pinked? I can't see a zig-zag pattern but neither do I see the edge, the photos are not close-up enough for this. Perhaps someone knows?
The described 1.5 inches would mean 6mm of tape width on my model. Is that even available?
Hopefully some wise person can help me... Thanks!
Kim
09-15-2013, 06:35 AM
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At 1/6 scale, the pinking is going to be so fine, that in the end, you won't be able to discern it anyway. If you use pinking shears, it will be "scale" too large. Dave Platte once said something to the effect of "you have to make it wrong to make it right". By the time you get color coats on, the delineation will be greatly masked. Toss your coin and take your pick. You could make a small sample, and try.
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Thank you Les. Can I assume that they were pinked on the SRE? I read somewhere that from 1930 onwards they were, and the SRE dates from 1941. I just had an email back from Mick Reeves that they can make them the way I want... I agree with your quote from Dave Platt, but I'm also thinking about the judges when they do a closer examination of the model. From a distance you should not be able to see the edges of the tapes, like on my photos, but when you look closely I suppose you should. I guess I should experiment on a piece of scrap first before applying it to my model.
Hopefully someone still knows whether or not they're pinked on the full-size aircraft.
Hopefully someone still knows whether or not they're pinked on the full-size aircraft.
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Kim,
I reviewed my pictures of SRE NC 58785 and even when zoomed in (pic # 7091, second tape from the left over the trim tab) I can barely see any pinking just a suggestion of pinking, the rest is filled in with the paint. NC 58785 has been restored since 1941 but I believe they did use pinked tape for the restoration.
I reviewed my pictures of SRE NC 58785 and even when zoomed in (pic # 7091, second tape from the left over the trim tab) I can barely see any pinking just a suggestion of pinking, the rest is filled in with the paint. NC 58785 has been restored since 1941 but I believe they did use pinked tape for the restoration.
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Thanks a million!
I have placed an order with Mick Reeves and will experiment to see the what the achievable results are. If the pinking is too obvious after painting, I will refrain from using, but the ideal situation would be to include them and have them only visible upon close inspection.
I will let you know how I get on.
I have placed an order with Mick Reeves and will experiment to see the what the achievable results are. If the pinking is too obvious after painting, I will refrain from using, but the ideal situation would be to include them and have them only visible upon close inspection.
I will let you know how I get on.
09-15-2013, 11:48 AM
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One of the problems with pinked vs non pinked tape was that most of these aircraft have been recovered, so that what was originally there is not necessarily what the recoverer used.
Les
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09-15-2013, 01:17 PM
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I didn't go back far enough to find out if this is going into competition, but remember if you can't tell by the pictures, neither can the judges, so it becomes academic.
Les
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09-15-2013, 11:08 PM
Yep, as Les sez, and you should check the scale rules you are building for. If the model is judged from 10 ft away, and it is 1/6 scale, that's a scale distance of 60 feet. Hardly be able to see any surface detail at all.
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WACO 1/5th Scale, just about to take to the air, but need some reassurance/questions
Hi Guys,
I am just about to commit my Waco 1/5th scale to the skies in a few weeks. My old man, was passed an unfinished "project" and has done a fine job of completing it and loosing some of the weight. I didnt even know about how healthy this forum is, and wow, it is brilliant. However, I dont really have the time to wade through the pages to find the answers to my remaining questions. So simply put- what is the CG for the 1/5th scale?, also the powerplant is a DLE 30, which is very similar weight to a saito 180....is anyone using a DLE 30?. The total all up weight is 14.5lbs. Not knowing much about the flying characteristics, can anyone give their opinion as to how this on paper should fly, given the weight and the powerplant?, and give me any control throw tips, or things to watch out for. My hunch is that the DLE will have plenty of power, and at 14.5lbs, and a wing loading approx 19, it should fly very nicely. My strip is not that long and my only concern is that it comes in fast, but I think it will slow right up, but will of course be careful not to let her slow too much. The CG seems to come out about an inch in front of the LE of the BOTTOM wing. Any help on a 1/5th would be greatly approeciated. I am so excited to get her in the air.
I am just about to commit my Waco 1/5th scale to the skies in a few weeks. My old man, was passed an unfinished "project" and has done a fine job of completing it and loosing some of the weight. I didnt even know about how healthy this forum is, and wow, it is brilliant. However, I dont really have the time to wade through the pages to find the answers to my remaining questions. So simply put- what is the CG for the 1/5th scale?, also the powerplant is a DLE 30, which is very similar weight to a saito 180....is anyone using a DLE 30?. The total all up weight is 14.5lbs. Not knowing much about the flying characteristics, can anyone give their opinion as to how this on paper should fly, given the weight and the powerplant?, and give me any control throw tips, or things to watch out for. My hunch is that the DLE will have plenty of power, and at 14.5lbs, and a wing loading approx 19, it should fly very nicely. My strip is not that long and my only concern is that it comes in fast, but I think it will slow right up, but will of course be careful not to let her slow too much. The CG seems to come out about an inch in front of the LE of the BOTTOM wing. Any help on a 1/5th would be greatly approeciated. I am so excited to get her in the air.
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Barth 1/3 YMF
Slow progress. Got upper wing center section located. Built per plan even though early on I was looking for a clean way to make the incidence variable. Final result was lower wing zero, upper minus two at root ribs.
Rigging wires do stiffen it up nicely. But the hardware in this kit is driving me nuts. Metric equiv of 2-56 screws (slot head) and nuts on the ends of rigging wires. I would have drilled turnbuckle eyes to accept 4-40 but they were too small. Earlier I pitched most of the metric hardwre and replaced with US mostly socket head. Wire rope is not plastic coated and started unraveling. Small details.
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Slow progress. Got upper wing center section located. Built per plan even though early on I was looking for a clean way to make the incidence variable. Final result was lower wing zero, upper minus two at root ribs.
Rigging wires do stiffen it up nicely. But the hardware in this kit is driving me nuts. Metric equiv of 2-56 screws (slot head) and nuts on the ends of rigging wires. I would have drilled turnbuckle eyes to accept 4-40 but they were too small. Earlier I pitched most of the metric hardwre and replaced with US mostly socket head. Wire rope is not plastic coated and started unraveling. Small details.
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I thought everybody was out on vacation. No notiification of new post for many moons. I have been busy building a gruman duck and have not flown my waco for about 4 months. Hope to get it in the air soon as the weather gets out of the 90's at 8 am.
09-19-2013, 02:15 PM
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If you go back through the posts you will find how to accurately set the Center of Balance. It should be at 28% of the mean average chord. Find the distance from the leading edge of the top wing to the trailing edge of the bottom wing. Do this using a weighted string draped over the top wing and extending past the trailing edge of the bottom wing. Block the model so it sits level to do this. Then just measure the distance. Measure back from the LE of the top wing and that is your balance point.
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09-20-2013, 05:14 AM
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Thank you Les. Can I assume that they were pinked on the SRE? I read somewhere that from 1930 onwards they were, and the SRE dates from 1941. I just had an email back from Mick Reeves that they can make them the way I want... I agree with your quote from Dave Platt, but I'm also thinking about the judges when they do a closer examination of the model. From a distance you should not be able to see the edges of the tapes, like on my photos, but when you look closely I suppose you should. I guess I should experiment on a piece of scrap first before applying it to my model.
Hopefully someone still knows whether or not they're pinked on the full-size aircraft.
Hopefully someone still knows whether or not they're pinked on the full-size aircraft.
I still haven't flown mine. Soon , I hope.
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09-20-2013, 05:49 AM
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I found this post while gong back a few months. Have you moved to this area yet?
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A few more thoughts on rib stitching and pinked tape. On page 623, post 15568, I have posted a few photos of how I did my rib stitching. I think Bill uses the same technique. If you want to try it, be sure to use the arched form as shown in the last three pics. It will keep the string firmly on the fabric.
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Got brotherhood?
If you have room for another older brother (I'll be 70, soon) I'd be pleased to receive the next available number.
Mine is an old Pica 1/5 kit for which I've purchased a Saito FA-115 (2.1hp). Fell in love with a new generation Waco I saw at the EAA fly-in in Oshkosh nearly 25 years ago. Have read up to page 59 of this wonderful thread, so far. Figured I'd join in while I attempt to read the whole thing. Haven't begun construction, yet.
Mine is an old Pica 1/5 kit for which I've purchased a Saito FA-115 (2.1hp). Fell in love with a new generation Waco I saw at the EAA fly-in in Oshkosh nearly 25 years ago. Have read up to page 59 of this wonderful thread, so far. Figured I'd join in while I attempt to read the whole thing. Haven't begun construction, yet.
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Hi guys,
Every time I come to this site from the email messages, it takes me to page 668 or earlier, while the current page is 670. Is anyone else having this problem? Anyone know a fix for it?
Every time I come to this site from the email messages, it takes me to page 668 or earlier, while the current page is 670. Is anyone else having this problem? Anyone know a fix for it?
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I'm having the same issue (start at page 668). Haven't found a way around it yet.