The MAAC Paradigm
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* the majority of MAAC members join MAAC for the insurance, "you have to have MAAC to fly here"
* the majority of MAAC members fly for fun, fly for recreation.
* the majority of MAAC members fly R/C.
* the majority of MAAC members do not participate in formal model airplane competitions or air sports.
* the majority of MAAC members are not concerned about model aviation records
* the majority of MAAC members do not go to zone meeetings.
* the majority of MAAC members are not concerned about the advancment of model aviation, they are flying for fun or out there to have fun, one simple thing, go out to the flying field and have fun, relax......shoot the breeze, may not even fly
* the majority of new MAAC members fly r/c, buy arfs.
Now the MAAC purpose and objects in the MAAC constitution:
[link=http://www.maac.ca/docs/doc_constitution_e.pdf]maac constitution[/link]
* act as a rep of the Aero Club of Canada to establish and maintain official regulations governing the condcut of model airplane records and contests and too issue sanctions for the same....
* to foster and enhance, assist, aid, engage in and develop scientific advancment in the sport of model aeronautics.....
* to provide a central organization to record and disseminate information relation to model aeronatutics
* to publish scientific journals and new bullitens relation to model aeronautics
* to guide and direct national model activites to the end that model aerounatutics may be advanced........
* to direct the technical organiztion of national and interantional model aircraft contests.........
* to license model aircraft and fliers thereof for competition in accordance.......
* to have recoginzed by the Aero Club of Canada all official model aircraft compeition and records which are sanctioned by MAC
* to enable the holding of model aircraft contests witht ehsanction of MAAC.
MAAC is directed by it's constitution, not in step with the activites of today's membership, the majority do not take an active role in maac, did not join MAAC becasue they wanted to but had to, do not attend zone meetings to effect change, the few that do attend zone meetings do so to keep maac the same.
MAAC has a large operationing budget, if no insurance, then a huge drop in membership...
an interesting case.
* the majority of MAAC members fly for fun, fly for recreation.
* the majority of MAAC members fly R/C.
* the majority of MAAC members do not participate in formal model airplane competitions or air sports.
* the majority of MAAC members are not concerned about model aviation records
* the majority of MAAC members do not go to zone meeetings.
* the majority of MAAC members are not concerned about the advancment of model aviation, they are flying for fun or out there to have fun, one simple thing, go out to the flying field and have fun, relax......shoot the breeze, may not even fly
* the majority of new MAAC members fly r/c, buy arfs.
Now the MAAC purpose and objects in the MAAC constitution:
[link=http://www.maac.ca/docs/doc_constitution_e.pdf]maac constitution[/link]
* act as a rep of the Aero Club of Canada to establish and maintain official regulations governing the condcut of model airplane records and contests and too issue sanctions for the same....
* to foster and enhance, assist, aid, engage in and develop scientific advancment in the sport of model aeronautics.....
* to provide a central organization to record and disseminate information relation to model aeronatutics
* to publish scientific journals and new bullitens relation to model aeronautics
* to guide and direct national model activites to the end that model aerounatutics may be advanced........
* to direct the technical organiztion of national and interantional model aircraft contests.........
* to license model aircraft and fliers thereof for competition in accordance.......
* to have recoginzed by the Aero Club of Canada all official model aircraft compeition and records which are sanctioned by MAC
* to enable the holding of model aircraft contests witht ehsanction of MAAC.
MAAC is directed by it's constitution, not in step with the activites of today's membership, the majority do not take an active role in maac, did not join MAAC becasue they wanted to but had to, do not attend zone meetings to effect change, the few that do attend zone meetings do so to keep maac the same.
MAAC has a large operationing budget, if no insurance, then a huge drop in membership...
an interesting case.
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Wow!
Thanks for letting us know what the majority of modellers are thinking Kenny... I had no idea you had interviewed "the majority" ... or maybe you're just psychic? (psychotic?)
Did you also know that the majority of Canadians think the Liberal government is doing a fine job? At least I have stats to prove my statement....
By all means, the majority must be right....
Thanks for letting us know what the majority of modellers are thinking Kenny... I had no idea you had interviewed "the majority" ... or maybe you're just psychic? (psychotic?)
Did you also know that the majority of Canadians think the Liberal government is doing a fine job? At least I have stats to prove my statement....
By all means, the majority must be right....
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you're welcome Jim,
the Liberals do well, they are able to adapt their goals to what the majority wants, one may not agree with them but the Liberal string of wins must say something.
But Jim, the point is not what I think, it is what is happening at maac clubs and fields accross Canada.
As for the MAAC stuff, the trend where aeromodelling in Canada is going is quite clear, some in MAAC wish to stay in denial.
For instance the MAAC events listed in MB - NW Ont zone - are 100% fun fly types [link=http://www.maac.ca/events/events.php?zn=d]MB NW ONT MAAC events[/link]
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In SK Zone, 9 out of 12 are fun fly type,
the numbers suggest this is where the majority aeromodelling is going, no?
the Liberals do well, they are able to adapt their goals to what the majority wants, one may not agree with them but the Liberal string of wins must say something.
But Jim, the point is not what I think, it is what is happening at maac clubs and fields accross Canada.
As for the MAAC stuff, the trend where aeromodelling in Canada is going is quite clear, some in MAAC wish to stay in denial.
For instance the MAAC events listed in MB - NW Ont zone - are 100% fun fly types [link=http://www.maac.ca/events/events.php?zn=d]MB NW ONT MAAC events[/link]
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In SK Zone, 9 out of 12 are fun fly type,
the numbers suggest this is where the majority aeromodelling is going, no?
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yup, even Dave Brown is able to look at reality,
MAAC has to look at reality at some time,
and this is not about fun verses compeyition as Jim would like to start that debate again, this is about what is happening now and what the memberhsip is doing now and what maac should be into.
BC - 49 maac events listed - 15 have formal maac competition but one class repeats itself throught the summer on 8 occasions "VGMC C/L Record Trials, open to all types of CL competition, models and events. No entry fee. Contact: C.D. Martin Higgs at 604-786-3417 after 6:00pm"
so basically 8 formal maac competition events out of 49 in BC.
Perhaps this event listing says it best to where things appear to be going.
June 25, 2005 — Come and join in the comradery of R/C Scale Aviation and celebrate the memory of a good friend and fellow scale modeler. Anyone with a sport or true scale airplane, big or small, new or old, is welcome to join us for this friendly event. No contests, no scores, no stress, all fun. June 25th & 26th - CFB Comox - Gate open 9am-5pm (Air Force Beach Parking Lot) Pilot registration by donation to the Comox Air Force Museum - Pre-registration not required. Concession available - MAAC mandatory - Event Director - Mike Benoit, ph 250-890-0458
MAAC has to look at reality at some time,
and this is not about fun verses compeyition as Jim would like to start that debate again, this is about what is happening now and what the memberhsip is doing now and what maac should be into.
BC - 49 maac events listed - 15 have formal maac competition but one class repeats itself throught the summer on 8 occasions "VGMC C/L Record Trials, open to all types of CL competition, models and events. No entry fee. Contact: C.D. Martin Higgs at 604-786-3417 after 6:00pm"
so basically 8 formal maac competition events out of 49 in BC.
Perhaps this event listing says it best to where things appear to be going.
June 25, 2005 — Come and join in the comradery of R/C Scale Aviation and celebrate the memory of a good friend and fellow scale modeler. Anyone with a sport or true scale airplane, big or small, new or old, is welcome to join us for this friendly event. No contests, no scores, no stress, all fun. June 25th & 26th - CFB Comox - Gate open 9am-5pm (Air Force Beach Parking Lot) Pilot registration by donation to the Comox Air Force Museum - Pre-registration not required. Concession available - MAAC mandatory - Event Director - Mike Benoit, ph 250-890-0458
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you're welcome Jim,
the Liberals do well, they are able to adapt their goals to what the majority wants, one may not agree with them but the Liberal string of wins must say something.
you're welcome Jim,
the Liberals do well, they are able to adapt their goals to what the majority wants, one may not agree with them but the Liberal string of wins must say something.
ORIGINAL: kenair
But Jim, the point is not what I think, it is what is happening at maac clubs and fields accross Canada.
But Jim, the point is not what I think, it is what is happening at maac clubs and fields accross Canada.
Does this mean that most modellers are exclusively Scale or Jet flyers? No.
Does it meant that many have an interest in these events? yes.
You must be careful how you draw conclusions.
Funflies are the easiest event to organize, the easiest to perpare for, and have the least requirements to participate in.
Are they popular? Of course, I enjoy thaem and would be hard pressed to think of anyone who wouldn't. We even encourage students to participate (with an Instructor and on buddy-box of course).
It can take me several years to prepare for a scale competition, weeks to prepare for a Scale Rally, minutes to prepare for a Funfly. Which do you think I attend more often?
Which do you think I get more enjoyment from?
Does my participation in one negate my interest in another?
You may recall from stats classes that you can jiggle the numbers to show any conclusion you wish.
You may also recall from physics classes that stats manipulation has zero impact on reality.
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Polls - the hard thing about a poll is who does it and what questions they ask. Jim's favorite party the Liberal's are very good with polls. no?
The last MAAC pool was done about 10 years ago and was ambigious and biased, for instance one of the questions was?
Do you support competition? of course everyone would say yes, so MAAC says every one support sompetition so let's not change.
What are the flyers in Dryden doing - do you feel MAAC reflects what the members from Dryden are into?
Why do flyers in Dryden join MAAC, what are the top four most important MAAC items to flyers in Dryden?
-ken
The last MAAC pool was done about 10 years ago and was ambigious and biased, for instance one of the questions was?
Do you support competition? of course everyone would say yes, so MAAC says every one support sompetition so let's not change.
What are the flyers in Dryden doing - do you feel MAAC reflects what the members from Dryden are into?
Why do flyers in Dryden join MAAC, what are the top four most important MAAC items to flyers in Dryden?
-ken
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Can't speak for all but if I was a betting man I would place my money on
1 Insurance
2 Insurance
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Been in the club 20 or so years and in that time I am not aware of any of our members competing in anything more than an egg drop. Ask any member why should I join MAAC? The answer will invariably be insurance. The other main concerns has to be preservation of our frequencies and safety
bert
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3 Insurance
4 Insurance
Been in the club 20 or so years and in that time I am not aware of any of our members competing in anything more than an egg drop. Ask any member why should I join MAAC? The answer will invariably be insurance. The other main concerns has to be preservation of our frequencies and safety
bert
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I view insurance as a given, frequencies as well.
But ... if that's all MAAC were to offer, I suggest the hobby would be in serious jeapardy ...
But ... if that's all MAAC were to offer, I suggest the hobby would be in serious jeapardy ...
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I view insurance as a given, frequencies as well.
But ... if that's all MAAC were to offer, I suggest the hobby would be in serious jeapardy ...
I view insurance as a given, frequencies as well.
But ... if that's all MAAC were to offer, I suggest the hobby would be in serious jeapardy ...
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Pinch me ...
Although it's probably true that a majority of modellers would not be affected by the lack of "cohesive competition rules", it's surprising how quickly that can change.
I was a typical dyed-in-the-wool burn, holes in the sky sport flyer until I saw my first pattern contest. Aside from the fact that the aircraft were very unappealing to me, something about the skill required, and the camaraderie I saw in competition did appeal to me. Years later and I now find little pleasure (relatively speaking) in simply flitting about performing loops, snap rolls and low passes wherever the nose may point. I find immense pleasure in the discipline of attempting to recreate a realistic performance and tuning that performance. Sooner or later that competition bug does bite, and it bites hard. It's not about competing against others or showing off, it's about pushing yourself to improve and sharing that drive (and techniques) with other like minded people.[8D]
Ok, enough of the soapbox. I draw an analogy with most sports. For example, most golfers don't aspire to the pro circuit, but many look to it for inspiration and ideas....
Although it's probably true that a majority of modellers would not be affected by the lack of "cohesive competition rules", it's surprising how quickly that can change.
I was a typical dyed-in-the-wool burn, holes in the sky sport flyer until I saw my first pattern contest. Aside from the fact that the aircraft were very unappealing to me, something about the skill required, and the camaraderie I saw in competition did appeal to me. Years later and I now find little pleasure (relatively speaking) in simply flitting about performing loops, snap rolls and low passes wherever the nose may point. I find immense pleasure in the discipline of attempting to recreate a realistic performance and tuning that performance. Sooner or later that competition bug does bite, and it bites hard. It's not about competing against others or showing off, it's about pushing yourself to improve and sharing that drive (and techniques) with other like minded people.[8D]
Ok, enough of the soapbox. I draw an analogy with most sports. For example, most golfers don't aspire to the pro circuit, but many look to it for inspiration and ideas....
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Oh dear --- where do we differ?
I've not had a "competitive bug bite" in 45 yrs, but obviously a significant number of modellers fly competitively, & common rules need to be there for comparative purposes & stability.
Maybe this is where we start to diverge -- I think that the "marketplace" (the modellers) should be the ones to create, develop & codify the rules. The governing body should only be there to say -- "OK guys you agree in large part that these are your rules -- so be it. We hereby decree that the xyz rule will be in force for a period of two years, whereupon we will accept new generally agreed-upon rules from you, or we will re-sanction the current rules until such new rules are presented for sanction".
I don't think that rules should be generated by the governing body's "Rules Committee", or you will end up with a godawfull catfight like the one that has recently mangled & divided the combat fliers in Canada. The governing body, however, must ensure absolute compliance of the discipline's Contest Directors to the sanctioned rules, as they are currently in force -- or again there will be a catfight. There should be no participation in rules formulation by the governing body --only rubber stamping & subsequent enforcement.
Rules is rules & everyone benefits from being able to trust the rules comming from the fliers themselves, otherwise the rules will be ignored, or the events will begin to lose attendance.
Well?
I've not had a "competitive bug bite" in 45 yrs, but obviously a significant number of modellers fly competitively, & common rules need to be there for comparative purposes & stability.
Maybe this is where we start to diverge -- I think that the "marketplace" (the modellers) should be the ones to create, develop & codify the rules. The governing body should only be there to say -- "OK guys you agree in large part that these are your rules -- so be it. We hereby decree that the xyz rule will be in force for a period of two years, whereupon we will accept new generally agreed-upon rules from you, or we will re-sanction the current rules until such new rules are presented for sanction".
I don't think that rules should be generated by the governing body's "Rules Committee", or you will end up with a godawfull catfight like the one that has recently mangled & divided the combat fliers in Canada. The governing body, however, must ensure absolute compliance of the discipline's Contest Directors to the sanctioned rules, as they are currently in force -- or again there will be a catfight. There should be no participation in rules formulation by the governing body --only rubber stamping & subsequent enforcement.
Rules is rules & everyone benefits from being able to trust the rules comming from the fliers themselves, otherwise the rules will be ignored, or the events will begin to lose attendance.
Well?
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Oh dear --- where do we differ?
I've not had a "competitive bug bite" in 45 yrs, but obviously a significant number of modellers fly competitively, & common rules need to be there for comparative purposes & stability.
Maybe this is where we start to diverge -- I think that the "marketplace" (the modellers) should be the ones to create, develop & codify the rules. The governing body should only be there to say -- "OK guys you agree in large part that these are your rules -- so be it. We hereby decree that the xyz rule will be in force for a period of two years, whereupon we will accept new generally agreed-upon rules from you, or we will re-sanction the current rules until such new rules are presented for sanction".
I don't think that rules should be generated by the governing body's "Rules Committee", or you will end up with a godawfull catfight like the one that has recently mangled & divided the combat fliers in Canada. The governing body, however, must ensure absolute compliance of the discipline's Contest Directors to the sanctioned rules, as they are currently in force -- or again there will be a catfight. There should be no participation in rules formulation by the governing body --only rubber stamping & subsequent enforcement.
Rules is rules & everyone benefits from being able to trust the rules comming from the fliers themselves, otherwise the rules will be ignored, or the events will begin to lose attendance.
Well?
Oh dear --- where do we differ?
I've not had a "competitive bug bite" in 45 yrs, but obviously a significant number of modellers fly competitively, & common rules need to be there for comparative purposes & stability.
Maybe this is where we start to diverge -- I think that the "marketplace" (the modellers) should be the ones to create, develop & codify the rules. The governing body should only be there to say -- "OK guys you agree in large part that these are your rules -- so be it. We hereby decree that the xyz rule will be in force for a period of two years, whereupon we will accept new generally agreed-upon rules from you, or we will re-sanction the current rules until such new rules are presented for sanction".
I don't think that rules should be generated by the governing body's "Rules Committee", or you will end up with a godawfull catfight like the one that has recently mangled & divided the combat fliers in Canada. The governing body, however, must ensure absolute compliance of the discipline's Contest Directors to the sanctioned rules, as they are currently in force -- or again there will be a catfight. There should be no participation in rules formulation by the governing body --only rubber stamping & subsequent enforcement.
Rules is rules & everyone benefits from being able to trust the rules comming from the fliers themselves, otherwise the rules will be ignored, or the events will begin to lose attendance.
Well?
As I understand the problem with combat (and this also somewhat exists in IMAC) is the alignment with the US guys. For pattern we have our own rules here and if you fly in the US then you need to learn a different set of sequences and rules.....this has never really been a problem as our committee is very democratic.....not all agree on every subject but majority rules.
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We are in tentative agreement here. In addition to providing insurance and frequency protection, MAAC, or some sort of local or regional organization, forces a degree of discipline upon the modelling population. People being people, without a "governing" organization there would be an unsafe and chaotic morass of modelling behaviours. No frequency discipline, no regard for disturbance, or risk to the population at large and no reasonably structured training process would exist. There would also be no cohesive competition rules, although that probably wouldn't bother a large number of modellers.
We are in tentative agreement here. In addition to providing insurance and frequency protection, MAAC, or some sort of local or regional organization, forces a degree of discipline upon the modelling population. People being people, without a "governing" organization there would be an unsafe and chaotic morass of modelling behaviours. No frequency discipline, no regard for disturbance, or risk to the population at large and no reasonably structured training process would exist. There would also be no cohesive competition rules, although that probably wouldn't bother a large number of modellers.
MAAC priorities....
Frequencies - I see this today as semi-important today and of decreasing value in the years to come as tech improves. I beleive that JR's next high end radio will be of the spread spectrum variety and have little use for our 72 MHz we use today. Futaba's R149DP receiver has such high signal rejection that unless someone is standing right next to you with a fully extended antenna you have almost zero chance of being shot down (I have personally tested this).
Insurance - I can easily beleive that we will be on a second payer system as per the AMA in the near future as the costs continue to rise. What the fallout of that will be I dont know, the AMA seems to have had little issue with it. Personally I beleive this is a good thing as it places more onus on the individual to be smart about safety as its their personal insurance on the line first.
Fields - I dont think much can be done on this within our geographical/demographical size range without significant time and resources spent....comparing us to other countries is apples to oranges in most cases.
Those are commonly the most referred to things that MAAC should be focusing on.....
What else...?
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Necessity is the mother of invention (or survival)....MAAC was formed by competitors for competitors. If MAAC today were to cease its involvement in competition (or fold altogether), competitors would form another organization within Canada.....we do so because we would need to. MAAC would most likely cease to be the "official" model aviation body in Canada at that point as they have no affiliation with the international governing body of model aviation....what that would do to their relationship with insurance brokers and Industry Canada I have no idea.
Necessity is the mother of invention (or survival)....MAAC was formed by competitors for competitors. If MAAC today were to cease its involvement in competition (or fold altogether), competitors would form another organization within Canada.....we do so because we would need to. MAAC would most likely cease to be the "official" model aviation body in Canada at that point as they have no affiliation with the international governing body of model aviation....what that would do to their relationship with insurance brokers and Industry Canada I have no idea.
You know as well as I that the very few FAI competitors that you allude to need the numbers to make things work and pay the bills. If MAAC folded, so does the ACC because they need us ................. and then what?
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MAAC priorities....
Frequencies - I see this today as semi-important today and of decreasing value in the years to come as tech improves. I beleive that JR's next high end radio will be of the spread spectrum variety and have little use for our 72 MHz we use today. Futaba's R149DP receiver has such high signal rejection that unless someone is standing right next to you with a fully extended antenna you have almost zero chance of being shot down (I have personally tested this).
MAAC priorities....
Frequencies - I see this today as semi-important today and of decreasing value in the years to come as tech improves. I beleive that JR's next high end radio will be of the spread spectrum variety and have little use for our 72 MHz we use today. Futaba's R149DP receiver has such high signal rejection that unless someone is standing right next to you with a fully extended antenna you have almost zero chance of being shot down (I have personally tested this).
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Insurance - I can easily beleive that we will be on a second payer system as per the AMA in the near future as the costs continue to rise. What the fallout of that will be I dont know, the AMA seems to have had little issue with it. Personally I beleive this is a good thing as it places more onus on the individual to be smart about safety as its their personal insurance on the line first.
Insurance - I can easily beleive that we will be on a second payer system as per the AMA in the near future as the costs continue to rise. What the fallout of that will be I dont know, the AMA seems to have had little issue with it. Personally I beleive this is a good thing as it places more onus on the individual to be smart about safety as its their personal insurance on the line first.
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Fields - I dont think much can be done on this within our geographical/demographical size range without significant time and resources spent....comparing us to other countries is apples to oranges in most cases.
Fields - I dont think much can be done on this within our geographical/demographical size range without significant time and resources spent....comparing us to other countries is apples to oranges in most cases.
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Those are commonly the most referred to things that MAAC should be focusing on.....
What else...?
Those are commonly the most referred to things that MAAC should be focusing on.....
What else...?
-Maintaining close Government contact (RABC, Transport Can.)
-Assisting with National communication. (Mag/Internet)
What more do you want??
Face Facts;
MAAC, "the Administrative/Board Animal", that is, is not going to get more members interested in any particular interest area. It's not going to get you more pattern or scale flyers. That is YOUR job. If you cannot attract more interest in your specialty areas, don't look to the "government"(aka MAAC) to do it for you. If your area of interst dies out, look to evolution of the hobby or at yourself for not bringing more interest in. THe AMA prez also speaks a similar line.........but a little more politically correct.
What do you Expect from MAAC?
None of that politically correct bites about "foster and enhance", "formed by competitors for competitors".. bla, bla.... that means zip. It may sound very nice and official, but it means zip to most.
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I don't think that rules should be generated by the governing body's "Rules Committee"...
I don't think that rules should be generated by the governing body's "Rules Committee"...
I understand that certain individuals may attempt to circumvent this, or some groups may attempt to stack committees (hence the new limits on # of members by zone rule) but, this is not, nor should it be, business as usual.
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Nobody is suggesting any of this, nor is it likely for any of the above to come true. For one thing, it's transport Canada we need to keep on side. They ultimately govern what we do and really don't care about the different interests within. They only want someone to look after the toys so they don't have to.
You know as well as I that the very few FAI competitors that you allude to need the numbers to make things work and pay the bills. If MAAC folded, so does the ACC because they need us ................. and then what?
You know as well as I that the very few FAI competitors that you allude to need the numbers to make things work and pay the bills. If MAAC folded, so does the ACC because they need us ................. and then what?
As for the ACC folding, again it will not as its required. Thats the one thing about necessity, it keeps things operating....the analogy can apply to MAAC...insurance is a necessity so MAAC survives....well for some (not just modellers) Canada's affiliation with the FAI is a necessity...it will continue in some form or another.
The ACC does not need MAAC, the ACC (or whatever its name would become) needs people who want to compete internationally.....of which there will always be.
good, the sooner the better, but we ain't there yet and just try and force everyone to discard their old systems quickly. We are still seeing wide-band stuff out there.............you must be realistic.
Eventually frequencies will be a non-issue....
maybe some day, but hopefully not soon. The absolute VAST majority do fly safe already or we would have had more accidents. The second payer will only add another layer of complication in the event of an accident.
Fields essentially come down to each individual club. It would be nice to have some major program for assistance, but it's not likely. That's one I have to conceed. However, that does not mean you ignore those clubs and create unecessary restrictive rules that make it difficult to keep or get a new field. It goes back to insurance because most depend on on it to keep what they have.
-Maintaining close Government contact (RABC, Transport Can.)
MAAC, "the Administrative/Board Animal", that is, is not going to get more members interested in any particular interest area. It's not going to get you more pattern or scale flyers. That is YOUR job. If you cannot attract more interest in your specialty areas, don't look to the "government"(aka MAAC) to do it for you. If your area of interst dies out, look to evolution of the hobby or at yourself for not bringing more interest in.
I dont recall my SIG (pattern) asking anything of MAAC.....in fact we ran a number of SIG Nats with nothing but our own effort. I think you are painting the many with the crimes of a few.
None of that politically correct bites about "foster and enhance", "formed by competitors for competitors".. bla, bla.... that means zip. It may sound very nice and official, but it means zip to most.
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RE: The MAAC Paradigm
ORIGINAL: britbrat
Lets keep going.
Lets keep going.
It sounds like you have issues with certain individuals, not with MAAC?
That's always the case with large organizations, especially ones that rely heavily on volunteers ... 'personalities' appear. You have to weigh the good with the bad, this is similar to my experience with local clubs. Some put up with the 'personalities' simply because the benefits outweigh the liabilities. I have more time/patience for the 'opinionated grouch' that shows up to field cleanup day than I do for the 'bright idea guy' who appears with his plane after the work is done and the doughnuts and coffee are being served.....
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RE: The MAAC Paradigm
ORIGINAL: can773
Transport Canada.....you really think they will have anything to do with an organization that is not affiliated with the international governing body of model aviation?
Transport Canada.....you really think they will have anything to do with an organization that is not affiliated with the international governing body of model aviation?
ORIGINAL: can773
I have still never really heard a good reason why this is nescessary? If I recall correctly you were against giving TC an updated definition of "model airplane" or some such?
I have still never really heard a good reason why this is nescessary? If I recall correctly you were against giving TC an updated definition of "model airplane" or some such?
It is necessary because TC governs everything that flies, including our toys and we want to be in their back pocket when complaints or legislation is pointed in our direction. It wasn't that long ago the US "Homeland SEcurity" was considering banning/limiting RC aircraft in the States. The AMA, assisted by MAAC helped to educate the US senate to put the brakes on before things progressed too far. We need to know if anything like that is in the works. Those are real issues.........not wether or not a dozen modelers get their FAI licences.
ORIGINAL: can773
Your losing me here....how are the SIG's asking MAAC to feed their SIG?
I dont recall my SIG (pattern) asking anything of MAAC.....in fact we ran a number of SIG Nats with nothing but our own effort. I think you are painting the many with the crimes of a few.
Your losing me here....how are the SIG's asking MAAC to feed their SIG?
I dont recall my SIG (pattern) asking anything of MAAC.....in fact we ran a number of SIG Nats with nothing but our own effort. I think you are painting the many with the crimes of a few.
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RE: The MAAC Paradigm
I'm afraid you think we are more than we actually are.
You recall incorrectly.(a habit of late) I was on the other side of that one.
I was unsure hence the question mark at the end of the statement....
Good job looking after yourselves, but many more out their expect things to be done for them and want, want, want....... My point is, if your area of interest flounders, don't look to the board for blame.
You speak of contructive discussions yet you continually leave your comments with personal innuendo and with generic statements without facts.
For instance...
It is necessary because TC governs everything that flies, including our toys and we want to be in their back pocket when complaints or legislation is pointed in our direction. It wasn't that long ago the US "Homeland SEcurity" was considering banning/limiting RC aircraft in the States. The AMA, assisted by MAAC helped to educate the US senate to put the brakes on before things progressed too far. We need to know if anything like that is in the works.
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RE: The MAAC Paradigm
Transport Canada.....you really think they will have anything to do with an organization that is not affiliated with the international governing body of model aviation?
Many associations have much to do their government even though thy are not associated with FAI,
THE LARGEST AVIATION GROUP IN CANADA...COPA.... IS NOT A MEMBER OF ACC OR THE FAI BUT HAS MANY DEALINGS WITH
CDN DOT.
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RE: The MAAC Paradigm
ORIGINAL: can773
Please demonstrate how many incorrect recalls of late I have made...get off the personal crap and stick to the facts (I guess when you have none attacking the messenger is your only alternative).
You recall incorrectly.(a habit of late) I was on the other side of that one.
ORIGINAL: can773
I NEVER heard of this issue in this manner....and I did know about it. So if it was so serious as you claim please provide the necessary backing.....
It is necessary because TC governs everything that flies, including our toys and we want to be in their back pocket when complaints or legislation is pointed in our direction. It wasn't that long ago the US "Homeland SEcurity" was considering banning/limiting RC aircraft in the States. The AMA, assisted by MAAC helped to educate the US senate to put the brakes on before things progressed too far. We need to know if anything like that is in the works.
If you suspect my credibility, then don't believe it. You have that choice. If you don't think it's necessary to maintain close government contact where it counts, I suggest you are wrong, but that is your choice. THe examples are real if that helps in your decision.