yeah, so pete, you wanna do that to my plane too?

Gotta know how well it works in flight! Killer job! What type retracts did you use?

I've found the right motor for our more "experienced" Pilots.......It's the OS 50SX!!
"Trainer" NO MORE...... NOW IT'S A MUSTANG!!!!

Tell you more later, RICK

What prop are you using in the 50SX? What diff.'s are there between using an APC 11x6 and a 10x6?

Update on the retracts, well I had her out yesterday and it worked well. The retracts came out an crashed corsair. Wobbeling made the takeoff not easier, as I said the retracts were used.
Today I was shopping for some new ones, $28 is not a bad price – in the same time I got new wheels. I bended the gear in shape so they fit and flush nice to the wing. This time I did not mount the doors. They looked cool but I had the impression the interfere with the stable flight of the P51.

This afternoon I went to the field – she handles good on the ground – not one nose over. Now I have to hold the elevator up at the taxi and the take off. As soon the wheels are of the ground I ease on the elevator and she climbs up……then comes the moment before the first bank……..landing gear up.

The landing is not much different then before – just the taxi back need some practice, hehehe. The tail wheel has not so much influence when you play with the throttle. I will make another video…

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G-Pete

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thunder tiger ultra light .40 retracts, the flight is awesome! wait for the video
yeah…hopefully on the weekend.
you wish hehehehe...

Pete,

Are those foam wheels?

yes they are foam wheels...light and easy on the landing, some do not like the "wobble" - but I think this is a Airplane and not a car

Speaking of this weekend, I hear it will be cold. I'll be there friday saturday and sunday, hopefull all day.

Just wanted to share a little bit of info, I have tried a master airscrew 10x7 three blade and 9x7 three blade and the plane will really haul with the 9x7. Verticles are a bit better with the 10x7, but I may switch back to the 9x7. The plane feels like it has some guts to pull out of bad situations, takeoff roll is probably only 5 ft longer and she cruises really well at half throttle!
-Mike

Not doubting any thing Acesmike just said, It all makes sense.
But with the 50SX on her with a 11x6 APC this plane really Hauls A**! the only
thing I had a problem with was at higher speeds the controls became a little
sensitive for me. I hope to solve that tendency by reducing my throws some
on low rates, and adding some Expo. In theory that should do it! I could tell
a BIG difference on my first flight before I made that first turn after take off!
Half throttle IS the same as WOT with the EVO motor. But she still slows down
real nice for landing. Loops are as big as you want to make them, and rolls at
higher speeds (3/4 throttle or above) are lightening quick. That tendency to turn
to the left on take off is gone.. and you only need half throttle with very little
elevator and she's airbourne. All this from a motor the same size and a little
less wieght than the EVO .45! It fits in the same spot with NO modes!

RICK

PS The pics on page 47 are with the .50 in her

Has anybody put the scale looking Robart strut's on their s yet? If so how did they work and which one's did you get?

rsCVN-71- You'll find that if you keep the gear doors on, you only need half a strut cover on each gear wire. the gear door covers the other half. zip tie/ glue them in place..you are good to go. Any set of strut covers will do IMO. Pick up whatever is on sale...

Thanks Nightmare. Which one did you use. By any chance do you recall the part #? Take this as a complement but I want my new one to look like your's. Already got my scale tires ordered. Just was'nt sure which strut to order.

Thanks
Randy

I used tricyle landing gear for 40 size planes....so I had 3 sets...I just put the remainder of my set on my failed attempt at hand launching the Park Zone P-51...which is ridiculous to handlaunch. Now I get to maiden the repaired PZ plane the proper way....

Hello Everyone!

I'm a newbie here on rcuniverse.com as well as to r/c flying. I'd just like to say thank you to everyone for the information and tips they have posted on this thread as it has been extremely helpful and invaluable to a beginner such as myself.

I've been building model aircraft since I was a young boy and have allot of experience building static plastic and balsa models. About 15 - 20 years ago my girlfriend at the time purchased a simple beginners Styrofoam radio controlled aircraft for me; however being young and stupid I thought I could just take it out and learn how to fly it - lets just say its demise was rapid ….. lol []

I've always wanted to get into r/c aircraft; unfortunately I was either lacking the time or financial means to do. I've managed to reach a point in my life where this is now possible.

I've been reading articles in R/C magazines and researching stuff online as well as speaking to local individuals in my area who are involved in the hobby for the past 6 months or so and I recently decided to purchase Hanger 9's P51 PTS. (it should be here in the week or two ) - Then I stumbled upon this thread while surfing.

It has taken me two days to read through all the information posted here! - This is great …

Although my career profession is in the aviation industry as an airline transport pilot I realize that I don't know anything about R/C flying and will have to start from the ground up. Conversely the only thing I truly know that R/C aircraft and full scale pilots have in common is a love of flying.

Hopefully I have made a good choice in my purchase, and that I can find someone here to teach me how to fly properly.

I plan to join the Regina Windy Flyers Club and fly on the buddy box system with an IP until I earn my wings and can soar by myself.

I figure that once an instructor flies my P51 PTS and spends some time with me at the controls - if he feels that this plane is too much for me, I can use this radio's two plane capabilities and get another primary trainer like an easy 40 to learn on (hopefully this won't be the case as I truely love warbirds) but if it has to be - then thats the way it will be.

I can hardly wait for my aircrafts arrival and plan to implement the information provided here by all of you to get her ready before her maiden flight. Until then I will build my flight pack box, get all my needed accessories purchased, and continue to absorb all the information I can.

If any of you can provide me with any help or suggestions - it would be greatly appreciated !

Kevin

Hey Nightmair, could you provide some closer up pics of the landing gear installation you did on the PZ P-51? I had the same issues with hand launching mine...dunno why....and I'd prefer not to waste the $170 spent on the plane trying to handlaunch again and it rolls over again.

First thing, this plane can be used as a primary trainer, but it depends on the instructors comfort level with the plane. Some longer tooth instructors have a hard time with anything not a high wing for an initial trainer. Eventually they will learn this plane is ok for buddy box training. 2nd, many clubs have club trainers that are bought and payed for by the member dues. Usually the most senior instructor is the one that has this plane at their disposal and should be willing to offer to train you on the club trainer if they don't feel the P-51 PTS is a good starting point(this is what happened with my instructor....a bit old...but very knowledgeable). He flew the PTS twice and felt it was a good plane, but since he forgot the buddy box, he couldn't buddy box me on the PTS and instead offered to buddy-box me on the club trainer the next day to see where my skills would be and if I was capable of handling the P-51.
If there isn't a club trainer, ask people in your club if anyone has a trainer and would be willing to buddy box you.
Also, use a simulator. This is important for getting the orientation of the plane down to 2nd nature....much different then actually being in the plane as I am sure you know. The P-51 PTS comes with a simulator, but it isn't all that great looking or useful in my opinion. It is a basic simulator that does have the P-51 in it, but the flight characteristics are kinda iffy, howeer it will work. Download the demo of RealFlight G3 and you'll get a much better learning experience. The only benefit of the PTS sim in the box is that it allows you to use the radio you get with the plane. The G3 demo uses only arrow keys for directional.
You can also download free FMS sim. U can get a USB adapter cord to work with FMS and your radio. Not much use on this one either asit isn't realistic. You'd be better off using the included Cockpit Master sim if you decide not to buy the RealFlight G3.

Just a piece of advice I ran across. When you go to balance your plane, you can dip the weight in epoxy and then drop it down in the fuselage all the way down to the tail. This way it is more aestetically pleasing, and you down have to cut the covering so that you get get to the wood underneath to bond the epoxy to. Just thought I would share this.

Nice advice. But, I wouldnt do that until all training aids are OFF, because the naca droops, although light, still factor into the CG. Also, if you ever change props, a different prop may weight different. A bigger item, like a motor swap will change the CG as well. So, once you do as you suggest, you'll never get that weight back out. Just something to think about.

You could change it just by adding weight to the nose of the plane if it would need it, but I do see what you are saying. It would be very difficult if not impossible to get that weight back out.

I see you’ve done your home work and welcome to the R/C world.
First, three of the major hobby magazines model Airplane News, Fly RC and Model Aviation had articles about the Hangar 9 P51 Mustang PTS (Progressive training System). All those articles were held in a positive impression.
Well, we heard before,
Only one wing to fly?
Fly faster then 100mph?
Fly faster then the sound?
Fly with 350 people on board/
Fly over the Atlantic?

The common answer was, NO this is impossible!! The history shows how people have the wrong assumptions with the little they know.
When Neil Armstrong had his first steps on the moon – there were still people thinking this is a TV-fake-Show…but it was reality. Reality like today when Hangar9’s engineers designed a new sate of trainer R/C airplanes – the P51 PTS.

I had some resistance in my club to – nah, no lowing trainer. I put the radio in the presidents hands an said “Sir, take it up and tell me how this plane flies, I read about it and know I like to see it”
He took my offer and after a little struggle about the rudder input, there the she went up. His comment “WOW, this flies like a trainer” this words come from a guy who is decades around R/C planes.
Next day I begun my fight training, I was a novice and learned on the P51 – also 4 others who learned on the P51 which I personally know.

Simulator, the PTS come with a simulator, there you can train the basics and basics are:
Orientation,
When the plane comes around and directly to you the controls are reverse, except the elevator. This is very hard for every novice. Do not turn your upper body away – bad habit and hard to get rid of. To stabilize the plane go with the stick (airlerons) in the direction where the wing is lower….
Tip stall (spin),
This is the most common mistakes – you will see the in your first flights on the simulator. If you get used to use the rudder you can avoid the spin easier. I’m amazed how little of pilots use the rudder.
Take off,
Right rudder in a big amount brings her straight down the runway and up.

OK, that’s it for know, just let us know how everything went. I assume you guys up there have tons of snow and cold weather. Yesterday we had almost F 80 degree and today is it 37 – this is Texas.
Yep, we like to know about…


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G-Pete

How about you glue the weights around a pushrod guide and put the weight in the back of the tail. You can secure the guide with a little screw or a drop of CA. You can change the weights any time without a hassle. The push rod guide cost less then a buck.

On the other hand the best way is to move your battery back until your plane is balanced. But I think option one is the easiest way…and thanks for sharing!!

Happy landings[sm=thumbup.gif]
G-Pete

OK guys I have a question for ya about the evo engine. I haven't had a chance to maiden my plane yet, but when I run the engine I can't get it to full throttle no matter what the needle settings. Any suggestions?

Thanks for the insight G-Pete - there is no substitute for knowledge and I certainly appreciate any help that is given to me !

Yahhh - she's pretty cold up her at the moment. Today was -36C, with the wind chill it's near 50 below zero ..... Welcome to Canada - lol

I'll keep you posted and let you know how things progress (We should be out of winter in about 8 weeks)

Thanks for the positive influence !!