Anyone know where we can get a pilot bust for this plane? I like the one that's on the cover art.

Also, I just glued the wings together, the fit is very very impressive and my overall feeling on this kit is high.

Any concerns regarding the wing joiner? just seems for this size plane it's a little light and thin. Is there a need to reinforce the midsection?

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I used one from Aircraft Internationals web site. I had it lying around and had to trim it a bit but it looks good. They are not cheap but very lite weight

http://www.aircraftinternational.com

I had an off field excursion that put a dent in the sheeting under the wing near the middle but that was all. It was a hard enough hit that the firewall/F1 former seperated so cleanly that it looked like I could have cut it off with a saw but the wing survived with only the dent and a bunch of grass stains. It sucked coming out of a blender deadstick at that certain height where you have more than enough room to get back but this plane floats if you are a bit fast and I watched it float right on past me the full length of our 600 foot runway until it would even think about stopping flying. I planted it, it boiunced righ into the high grass.

I did have the Fuji 43 in it and at 14lbs 2 ounces AUW it flew very well, but I wanted a bit more so I now have a DA50 on the nose and am just waiting for the weather to clear to test fly it. I did add some re-enforcement to the firewall/former to take the extra ponies from the DA.

bubbagates...

I'm putting one of these together (about half done) with the EVO45GX. Do you know anything about that engine? Will it be similar to DA50 in power?

This is my first gas engine plane. I'm nervous. The wiring on the 45GX looks weird to me. I haven't tried to start it yet. I can't seem to find anyone running this combo or much infor on the 45GX at all. Just wondering if you knew anything?

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Barry

Barry, I am thinking hard about a the GP Cap when I get the BME 55. I am also looking at the H9 260.

Is this GP Cap the first light scale plane that GP has produced?

The Cap 232 is part of the GP Performance Series.

STG...

I'm very impressed with this ARF. Very well done. I'm about 1/2 way done with the build. It's not perfectly scale...for instance the the stab seems lower than the full size, but it "looks" like a CAP. I'm hoping the differences will result in a plane that's a bit less "snappy" from what I've heard the normal CAPs are.

The weight looks very good to me. I estimate 13.5 lbs with the 45GX. I should have an actual weight by the weekend.

Tower has a great buy on them right now. You get a $30 rebate and $25 off + free freight if you are club member. I think that makes them about $325. It's a very good value. Well...at least it is if it flys good.

This is my first gas plane and I'm pretty nervous. I read about "Boss" in the Yak thread and he's scaring me. Now I don't know whether to go with reduntant stuff or not. I wasn't going to and the manual doesn's suggest it. But he would.

Anyways, I'm impressed with the ARF but have no info yet on acutal finished weights or flying, etc.

I'll post something when I know.

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Barry

Barry,

I'm sorry but I know nothing about that engine. I can tell you this much. With the Fuji43 it was decent vertical using a PT models CF prop. I had about a dozen flights on it before my excursion and was loving it. I needed no trim at all. The first flight I used a single click of down until I turned downwind and had to take it back out.

I also have the performance series Ultimate using a Brison 3.2 and I gotta tell ya. GP did good with these planes. The Ultimate needed just one or two mods and they were very minor and so far the only thing I see the Cap needs is a little beefing where the F1 former and plywood plate needs a little glue.

Once the monsoons stop, I'll be flying it again and I cannot wait to see what the Da will do. I'm betting on at 13.5 pounds the 45 will be very close to what the DA will do at 14.2 pounds

bubbagates...

That sounds pretty good. My "feeling" is the 45GX will have considerably more power than the Fuji 43. But who knows for sure. I have such an elevation loss that it's difficult to get enough power with almost anything. I hear all the reviews about amazing vertical on planes and when I try it...it just isn't quite enough. On my 90 size planes the YS 110 does a decent job. I'm hoping my first gasser will be adequate.

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Barry

Thanks Barry,

You did not happen to get a bare weight of the plane did you? It has to be around 7.5 pounds?

If you go redundant you can keep it simple and light by using 3 1200 mah 2/3a nimh battery packs. Not sure what you had planned?

Barry,

A bit more detail for you. I'm at roughly 600 feet. hen I first flew it with the Fuji I had an MSC 20X8 and could not get any vertical above 200 feet. Changing the prop to the PT Cf prop made a huge difference in both getting the engine into it's powerband as well as overall performance. I was not a rocket going vertical but it would finally top out somehwere around 1000 feet (I'm guess at this but I know I'm close) I never really did get to hover it but I think it would have done it but with a slow but steady pullout. The engine only has about 1/2 gallon through it so it's not making it's best power yet. I actually did consider that very same 45 but I had this DA just begging for a homeand I did not want to buy another plane (I already have 2 more 50cc's on boxes with MVVS58's for them)

I would say if you can really keep it at 13.5 lbs you might be in for a bit of a treat. I have heard thise 45's a plenty powerful if you prop it right but that's all I know.

According to the Evo manual, it makes it's max HP at 6200 rpm so if Pe (MVVS) sees that with a 24x10 on a canister, then a 23x8 or 23x10 Mezjlik or PT Models prop (same props but the PT is about 5 bucks cheaper and you can get them at Troy BUilt Models) on a pitts muffler might just get you there. Again, I'm guessing

Here is the info from the MVVS web site:

This engine has a magnesium crankcase and redesigned bearing group..
Bore 38mm, stroke 38mm (43cc / 2.60 cu")
weight : 1400 grams (without ignition, but with plug)
Ignition weight: 165 grams
Fuel petrol, unleaded 95 octane (US: unleaded premium gas 91 pump octane).
oil Mobil 1 2T or equivalent, Mix at 1:40 (running in 1:30, during the first few gallons)
Manual download
Engine drawing


Factory field test figures, with Mejzlik props and 3204 canister muffler
24x10@6200 rpm
22x10(three blade)@5900 rpm
Lots of gusto! This will be the benchmark for the competition.


And from the Evolution manual

45GX
Two-blade propellers:
22x10, 22x12, 22x14
23x8, 23x10, 23x12
24x8, 24x10, 24x12
Three-blade propellers:
21x10, 21x12
22x8, 22x10

Both make 5.2 HP at 6200 on the canister and the fuji is around 4.5 on it's stock muffler and the Fuji is 4.2 pounds with everything but the battery

Barry,

I did not go with redundant anything. The only thing I did extra was to install the smart-fly opitical kill it weight a total of one ounce and if you have throttle servo trouble it gives you a way to kill the engine in the air if you do not have a choke servo

I always say do what make you feel best. While Hoss knows what he is doing, sometimes you canot get to wild with things.

Here is my complete setup. My personal preference is no redundancy once I get below a 50cc plane. This plane is not really a 50cc, I'm just using one for it

DA50
22x8 PT models CF prop
Fromeco 2400mak Li-ion on the igntion
Fromeco regulator set at 5.2 volts
Fromceo Badger Failsafe Switch
Smart-fly optical kill for the ignition
JR2000 Scanselect receiver
Fromeco 4800mah Li-ion for the reciever
Fromeco regulator set at 6 volts
Fromeco Failsafe Badger switch
Hitec 5945's all around
SWB dbl lock control arms
Dubro ball links on the servo arm
Dubro Kwik lok safety links on the control horns
H9 Titanium control rods

A lot of the above is overkill but that's how I like things. The Failsafe switches are electronic so there is no moving parts, if they do fail, they fail on not off. There is no choke servo as I have a nylon rod connected to it pointing to the front so I can just pull it to choke it then push it back in to open it.

Total weight according to my Escali scale is exactly 14lbs 4 ounces, I just weighed it. Wheel pants are not installed but I am going to do that since I have more than enough power now so add about 4 or 5 ounces

Thanks for the info guys...

Here's my setup and weights with a partial built aircraft.

EVO45GX
21x8 NX prop (trying to keep revs up to about 7000 for my elevation)
Evo electronic ignition
Hobbico 4.8 1650 mAH battery for ignition
Hobbico 4.8 2000 mAH battery for radio
Great Planes kill switch
G3 Super Hummer 12Z Futaba receiver (2048 PCM receiver with all channel availability)
Hitec 5945 servos on all surfaces except throttle
Hitec 5475 on throttle
Carbon fiber pushrods on all surfaces with "Cazier made" steel ends
Dubro 4/40 clevicies
Dubro 4/40 ball links (very cool pushrod set up)

Weights on next post.

Thanks
Barry

Weights on partial built aircraft...

Fuse with all servos and pushrods and servo extensions installed: 54.6
Wings with servos, pushrods and extensions installed: 42.0
Cowl, uncut: 8.8
Wheel Pants: 2.6
Landing gear: 6.8
All 3 wheels: 2.8
Hardware, axles, blindnuts etc, in bag: 5.2
16 oz fuel tank with fittings: 2.2
Supplied aluminum spinner with hardware: 5.2
Canopy: 3.8
NX 21x8j prop: 3.8
Evo 45GX with ignition: 54.2
Receiver: 1.2
Throttle servo: 1.8
Ignition battery: 4.0
Radio battery: 5.0


Total (if I added correctly): 204.0 ozs/16 = 12.75 lbs

I will drop the wheel pants but I'm sure I've forgotten some items, but right now I don't know what they would be. I might actually get in at 13.25lbs. But surely I'll stay under 13.5 lbs.

This gives a wing loading of 26.6 ozs. From what I can read, that is a good wing loading. But I have planes as low as 15.5. But all the bigger planes seem to be in the mid 25s to 30s. I think this should be alright, but I'm looking for opinions. What have I forgot?

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Barry

Whoa....muffler...add another 8 to 10 ozs.

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Barry

13.25 sounds about right. red z06 has a da 50 in his and that is what he said his came out to be. here is the link and what he used.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_37...mpage_2/tm.htm

Thanks...

I hope that weight is right. Should fly nice...

But I can't match redz06 for flying on the world's smallest runway. Wow.

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Barry

barry: how did your setup go with the evo 45? how does she fly?

Believe it or not...I'm still not finished with the airplane. It's taken me a very long time. Not because the kit is difficult, I've just had a hard time getting to it.

The good news is I'm back on it and only have an hour or so to finish it. I'm trying to do the first flights over labor day weekend.

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BArry

Nuvaring, I had the same impression as you regarding the wing joiner, so I went ahead and fiberglassed the wing center section. I now have about 30 flights on the plane - it's powered by a Moki 1.80 and I'm very pleased withg it. It only weighs around 13lbs, so flies "light" and has no bad snapping tendencies.

Honestly guys, I would not worry to much about the wing joiner. Cap #1 had an off field excursion that snapped the firewall right off the plane. Once I got the replacement I reused the wing from the first one as it had no damage and it's joined with Gorilla glue. I also am using a DA50

I'm into 70+ flights on mine and that includes very violent full throttle wingtip (KE) spins, loads of tumbles, several failed attempts at waterfalls and a host of high speed snaps. If my wing has not failed by now.... (I do tend to strip the plastic wing bolts now and then, most likely from over-tightening them, but sometimes they do come out bent [X(])

Barry,

How is your coming along??? I know I know, you are still working on it

Just an FYI. My Cap #1 was repaired by member whaturi and he stuffed an MVVS58 in it. He also used the ZM23X12 prop that I had given him.

When he first told me what he was doing I had my doubts but I gotta say this. You should see this thing come out of a hover going straight up. I thought my DA50 pulled it fast.

His does not have any noticeable hesitation. You hear the rpms come up and she is gone and I mean gone. Some people say thier planes are close to foamy power. He seems to have close to a 2.5 or better power ratio. His is truly foamy power.

His girlfriend tried to get some video but they are having camera issues. Him and I are doing a demo for a 9/11 flag presentation this saturday. I'll see if I can talk him into flying the Cap and then I'll bring my camera so you guys can see this thing. It is just amazing the power it has

Finally...

I'm all done with this bird. I must say I'm very impressed with the build. No I got to get busy and do the maiden flights. I had to use valuable flying time to get the thing built so I haven't flown yet but I expect to do that some time this week.

Here's a few pictures.

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Barry

Here's the plane itself.

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Barry

13.5lbs WOW, is that gonna be a blast.....Nice and clean install, looks great....

He I just noticed, you put the stab on correctly