Hi,

I have noticed that nearly all of these combat planes are glow, is there any group that prefers electric combat??

if so where can these planes be purchased, or are the converted models?

Thanks for your help,

Andy

Andy, other then Zagis flying into each other I've not heard of any successful electric combat in the 4 years that I've been doing it. Several folks have been experimenting with electric designs but nothing practical has surfaced yet that I'm aware of.

I have a ship that I plan to use in an SSC contest August 28. It is an Avenger 972s originally designed for slimer combat. With no mods, I converted it for electric use.
Here is a link about a few attempts, and pics of a current working model from the RCCA website. http://www.rccombat.com/forum/topic....24&whichpage=1

The 'E'venger is powered with a Himaxx 2825-2300, and 3s lipos that can provide 30+ amps. It turns a MA 8x3 prop at 15500 rpm static, but unloads and flys the ship nicely. AUW is almost 3 lbs ready to fly.

At our club, the current rage is SMACs Speedy Miniature Aerobatic Combat planes,. They are small flying wings with GWS narco servos buried in the wing and run on lithium batteries. We actually try to hit one another. In a 20-25 minute session of "Smac"in you might hit or get hit once, It goes into a flat spin, kill the throttle, let it settle a little and fly right out of the fall. They run on one of the smallest GWS motors with a 3x3 prop. The other night we had 4 or 5 in the air at once, it's hilarious. Yea they look like a couple zagis had a live birth, but they are a blast to fly and a great way to blow off a little steam no real stress, they cartwheel, pick em up, toss em back in the air !! A real fun time !

Plasticjoe,

I'm very interested in knowing more about your "SMAC" planes. Is this a comercial plane or a someone's own design? Any plans available?

Here is where it originated from I do believe. http://www.smac.gotdns.com/ We have a couple guys with a foam cutter cutting the wings and they have the templates for the aierlons and the center rib. Hope this helps. If you call the guys at Radicalrc.com Chris there knows just what motor, props and equipment you'll need to get it going. He about wiped mine and another guys out with his Carden. I think he woulda been the one SMAC'ed there LOL !!

Me and a couple of buddys use the GWS Mustangs. We just tape a 15 ft streamer to the back and have at it. To make it fair, we all use the stock 350 motor "C" gear with 9x7 props and 2S LiPoly. You can't just pick them up and throw them again after a crash, but it is foam and it will epoxy right back togather again. If you do trash it, you can get another slope glider version for around $30. Its a fun and cheap.

Do you know what the wingspan, root chord and tip chord are on this plane?

Thanks,

Roy

PlasticJoe,
Thanks for the link to those planes. I fly wet combat and have long been interested in the deveopment of epower. My thoughts for combat are electric planes towing streamers. Also I would like to try a plane with the prop shrouded to reduce the chance of damage from prop strikes which are a very big contributor to carnage in wet combat.

I guess I need to get to the drawing board to come up with an electric model that would have:

1. 40-60" wing span
2. A shrouded prop
3. Be capable of towing a 30 foot streamer

Keep the information flowing, I think there are a lot of folks who are interested.

Our club is into combat foam wings from combatwings.com. they are 48 in wing span and use a speed 400 motor and 1500ma nicads. We put up 5 to 10 wings at a time and try to knock each other down, hits are commow but actually knocking a plane down is rare. These things take alot of abuse, are easy to fly, repair with packing tape and fairly cheap. Check out the web site for videos.

Many of us have purchased brushless setups to run our 3D planes. Now what can we do with that old GWS 300 or 350 "B", "C", or "D" drive and 10amp ESC? Well join in the fun and excitement of combat flying and events. Visit this thread for some possible ideas!

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...7&page=1&pp=15

Planes and power applications, free plans and combat info from Texas.

If you were to propose a national electric combat class what would you like to see?
I like the idea of a specific wingspan and watt limits.
I would not want to limit to brushed or brushless.
I would want people to get involved with minimal build time and expense.
how about a 30" max wingspan(maybe 34" to include gws warbirds) .
I do like a scale class, but maybe a profile scale or cruciform scale class would be better.
Maybe an open class where any design could be used, with watt and wingspan limits?
I have tried SSC (.15 slimer combat) with electrics, but the durability of himaxx motors was not very good. The mega was very durable, but quite pricey. I don't think it is feasable for electrics to compete with slimers in 'A' 'SSC' or 'B' combat right now due to expense.

Sheepy........ The way we are handling those issues are as follows:

Wingspan: 28" or more, with no sq/in stipulations, which would allow for the GWS warbirds.
Motors: Any 300 size brushed motor qualifies. Our thinking is to keep things affordable. The more affordable the more pilots and planes to promote the sport. Brushless riggs create a whole other can of worms. Adds expense, almost impossible to correctly class and unnecessary for a fun event.
Build Time: We are using a scale like airframe that builds out in under two hours and free plans are posted on the thread I posted above. Free is cheap.
Open Class: We are flying 300 size brushed motors with a 3s lipo pack for this. That combo gives brushless class performance. Eventually it destroys the motor, so many of us are using the Johnson motor @ $1.00 each. The 2s lipo heats have a lot more entrants because everyone has 3 to 6 2s packs and only a few so far have multiple 3s packs. Again this to adds a lot of expense and keeps people out. What say you?[:-]

I love the smell of lipos
in the mornings!

I've been looking at the Streetfighters at nesail.com, there's a video of about 8 flying with streamers inside of a dome, they look like a blast. I'm waiting to get one untill I can get my buddy flying well enough that we can combat. They are all EPP foam and run on a small brushless outrunner a little smaller than the axi 2208 with a 2s lipo pack. And they come prepainted to look like different warbirds, not quite scale but they do have an airfoil and body, my standards for looks have really dropped after flying 3D flat foamies all summer!

At my flying field today there was a Mustang and A Zero made from foam and powered by cdrom motors flying combat.

Electric combat? Sounds like something for old people and girls.

I qualify on at least one of the qualifications. I really like flying electrics. No mess to clean up, less noise, no balky engines. The GWS motor units work ok, but the CD brushless work better. Plus I like brushless anyway. I can see electrics in open being able to give the 1/2a folks a run for their money. Of course there aren't very many 1/2a folks out there. My daughter has expressed an interest in flying. Maybe this will be the class for her(as well as me). Zach(my son) still salivates for Open B. I hope I can make it to Paris this year. Maybe I will see you there.

I hope your joking... that may have been the case years ago, but now glow powered planes can't even come close to the power to weight ratios that you can have with brushless and lipolys.

No, I'm not joking. Show me a 90mph electric COMBAT plane. Again, electric combat is for girls and old men just like ssc.

No real reason to get nasty,,the problem with brushless motors and li-po batteries is that people actually buy them,,,I dont have $200 for a motor another $100 for a few batteries another $100 for an esc and a charger.... actually I do but I would never spend that on an electric set up..as long as people do, well it'll take longer for that kind of stuff to come down in price,, I got enough power in my 1/2A glow engine to tote around regular Ni-cad batts,, and I dont want to fly my GWS stick for 45 minutes on those li-po batteries...I have seen a large Warbird (spitfire I believe) on electric fly like heck for about 15 minutes,,it was impressive...and it was nicad, with a batt pak as big as my arm......just my 2 cents...Rog

Judging from the last few posts.....Ignorance is bliss! Truth is real men don't fly toy airplanes. I guess this puts us all in the big boy's/girl's department.

Post#11 provides a thread to "Electric Combat NO FEAR!". I suggest some of our ignorant readers bone up a little on Ebat before making ignorant statements. Or miss out on a lot of fun.

lol

After a while you guys will figure out that Jimbo crawls out just to jerk people's chain! [X(]

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Some kick ***** combat in Texas!


Lee Liddle's Mustang


Lee Liddle's Spitfire


"Cajuns" Mustang


Lee launching the Spitfire





Lee and his "E-Smack" for open class combat






Lee is producing a short kit for both the E-Smack and some of the scale birds. Click here
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Some photos of yesterday's combat activities

The lineup for the day's activities







John's (Fan Fold) Macchie







Using 1/2" wide 15' long crepe streamers we spent the afternoon "kickin Butt"







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