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Old 08-02-2005 | 11:41 AM
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That sux. Too bad there aint a way to make g3 run with alot less memory.
Old 08-02-2005 | 11:46 AM
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Did you try to reinstall it? And sometimes when I load G3 it freezes when it is loading an airport.


Edit: And I get 16-26 FPS on G3 with everything turned on low with scerney, particles, and clouds turned off. Even lower in multiplayer.
Old 08-02-2005 | 11:50 AM
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I sent you a PM a few days ago. Reply and we'll see what I can do for you.
Old 08-02-2005 | 01:13 PM
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I have had it to where if i load a new airport that someone else made it would freeze while loading, and the only way i could get around it is to reinstall. But i think there is a way to tell g3 to load a different airport without having to reinstall. If you're interested let me now and ill see if i can find that screen again.
Old 08-03-2005 | 10:09 AM
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I am glad you liked the Miss America -now hows about painting a nice one for me

Rick, if I could I would!
Old 08-03-2005 | 11:16 AM
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Lets see I made available almost 2dozen colorschemes that were downloaded from my site to the tune of 37gigabytes in a few months time. Countless hours and alot of my$ were spent making this happen. The folks over at KnifeEdge thanked me by treating me like an ***hole and censoring me over at their forums.
Would you care to explain why we censored you, or should I?
Please by all means explain away!!
Rick, we all like your art and appreciate the work you have done for G3. But swearing and name-calling are two things that are not allowed on our forums. You and Jay were censored for both offenses.

We do not censor any posts solely because they expose problems with our software. In fact, we use that feedback as guidance for what to work on next. Our next update is a response to constructive complaints that you and many others have made, all of which can still be found at our site.

Let it go, the damage in your heart.
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Sorry jaafit,

I NEVER used swear words in your forums. I did tell Slider to mind his own business because he had a bad habit of shadowing almost all of my posts. Other than that, I have to believe you guys at KE censored me because I'm just not happy with G3 and I've been very vocal about that.

Out of a possible 10, G2 was an 8 and G3 is finally up to about a 3. By the way, you guys never will answer why you say you support the GeForce 440 MX card when it WILL NOT SUPPORT SHADOWS? Wanna answer that one here since you won't answer it in the G3 forums?

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Lets see I made available almost 2dozen colorschemes that were downloaded from my site to the tune of 37gigabytes in a few months time. Countless hours and alot of my$ were spent making this happen. The folks over at KnifeEdge thanked me by treating me like an ***hole and censoring me over at their forums.
Would you care to explain why we censored you, or should I?
Please by all means explain away!!
Rick, we all like your art and appreciate the work you have done for G3. But swearing and name-calling are two things that are not allowed on our forums. You and Jay were censored for both offenses.

We do not censor any posts solely because they expose problems with our software. In fact, we use that feedback as guidance for what to work on next. Our next update is a response to constructive complaints that you and many others have made, all of which can still be found at our site.

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Sorry jaafit,

I NEVER used swear words in your forums. I did tell Slider to mind his own business because he had a bad habit of shadowing almost all of my posts. Other than that, I have to believe you guys at KE censored me because I'm just not happy with G3 and I've been very vocal about that.
I'm not going to reproduce the offensive posts and avatars here to prove a point. I'm sure no one wants to see it anyway. If you want to believe that we censored you for complaining, that's your choice.

Out of a possible 10, G2 was an 8 and G3 is finally up to about a 3. By the way, you guys never will answer why you say you support the GeForce 440 MX card when it WILL NOT SUPPORT SHADOWS? Wanna answer that one here since you won't answer it in the G3 forums?

Jay
I know you've been asking this a lot and it must be frustrating not getting a straight answer. I can try to explain our decision.

Imagine someone owns the 440 and hears about this new software he really wants to buy, but the box says that it doesn't support that card. So he goes and buys a new graphics card to run the software. It runs fine and he's happy.

Then he reads somewhere on the internet that the software *does* work with the 440, that it's just limited. I imagine that this individual would be upset because he would have liked to know that he could have kept his 440, evaluated the software using that card and then decided whether it was worth buying a new card to get all the features.

By saying that the software supports the 440 we keep 440 owners from having to spend more money than they need to, indirectly reducing the cost of the software.

Ideally, we would tell the users exactly how many features each card supports, but that kind of information doesn't easily fit onto a box.

I talked to Ryan (knifeedge forum admin) and he says that once the next patch is out he'll update his [link=http://12.156.2.54/forums/showthread.php?t=9216]RealFlight G3 graphics card support[/link] thread to indicate any card-specific limitations. We'll also make that thread easier to find by adding a link to our homepage.
Old 08-03-2005 | 03:17 PM
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If i had the 440 and bought a new one to run g3 and later found out i could have used the 440 but limited graphics i would have prolly been pretty mad.
Old 08-03-2005 | 03:26 PM
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jaafit I sincerely apologize for all the terrible, horrible and nasty words I used on a far too regular basis over at the K.E forums[] I don't know what I was thinking and won't be at all surprised if you guys choose to never forgive me and leave me forever twisting in the wind
When I think of my unspeakable postings -I get a chill up my spine. Perhaps I was possessed by the devil himself when I typed those cold and heartless messages!

Jay perhaps you could apolagize for the terrible things you did as well and then maybe (just maybe) we could be forgiven and allowed to return to our normal everyday lives.
Old 08-03-2005 | 04:27 PM
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I always thought that it was an urban myth that Americans didn’t understand sarcasm
Old 08-03-2005 | 04:32 PM
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lol, did you know that its an urban myth here that non-americans dont understand sarcasm?
Old 08-03-2005 | 11:24 PM
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I know you've been asking this a lot and it must be frustrating not getting a straight answer. I can try to explain our decision.

Imagine someone owns the 440 and hears about this new software he really wants to buy, but the box says that it doesn't support that card. So he goes and buys a new graphics card to run the software. It runs fine and he's happy.

Then he reads somewhere on the internet that the software *does* work with the 440, that it's just limited. I imagine that this individual would be upset because he would have liked to know that he could have kept his 440, evaluated the software using that card and then decided whether it was worth buying a new card to get all the features.

By saying that the software supports the 440 we keep 440 owners from having to spend more money than they need to, indirectly reducing the cost of the software.

Ideally, we would tell the users exactly how many features each card supports, but that kind of information doesn't easily fit onto a box.

I talked to Ryan (knifeedge forum admin) and he says that once the next patch is out he'll update his [link=http://12.156.2.54/forums/showthread.php?t=9216]RealFlight G3 graphics card support[/link] thread to indicate any card-specific limitations. We'll also make that thread easier to find by adding a link to our homepage.
Hmm, it seems like I am a KE customer that bought G3 (plus all the addons) believing that it would support my video card, after all your forums say it does, but it doesn't completely support my card. If I would have known that my card is not fully supported by G3, I would have been very happy to have kept G2! But I feel like you guys are being very deceptive by continuing to say the GeForce 440 MX is supported. What else is new though? From the time I began reading your forums, you guys have never owned up to putting out a sub-standard program that wasn't ready for release. Plus, you guys have been very good at blaming everyone and everything else and not taking responsibility for the problems with G3. I made the mistake of being a KE cusotmer twice now and I'll promise you that I will not make that mistake again.

LOL, I guess I could apologize for all the horrible things I said about Slider and all the horrible words I wrote in the G3 forums but to be very honest, I don't remember ever typing a swear word. Now, my avatar was funny and it directly reflected how I felt the guys at KE had shown how they felt about me as a customer.

Like I said, G3=Death knell

Jay
Old 08-04-2005 | 07:43 AM
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Just reading this as a casual sort-of third party review....i see some things that should be pointed out.

Rick...your ego is Huge. Though I never got into making skins for the G3 planes, I've spent alot of time making skins for games. With the nascar series from papyrus (non existent anymore) I made over 250 cars, quality cars....in tribes/quake/unreal, ive probably made over 150 charactor skins. During the time that I was active in it, I had it on a website, which was also high-quality work (I'm a professional Web Designer/Programmer), and was at one point, serving 3-5 gigs of data a month, costing me about 65 bux a month in hosting. That said, the only reason I took down the site was lack of interest, served bandwidth dropped to below 1 gig a month so i shut it off. What I didnt do, is ask everyone to take my stuff down.

Basically...your saying that you stopped because it was expensive, but not because your ego-centric. However, when KE had some of your stuff up, you wanted it taken off too...now it was being hosted by them at no cost to you. The fact that you made them pull it speaks volumes...

And to Jay. The game does support the 440, as it does work with it. The 440 is a low-end card, buying a low-end card means that you arent going to be able to get top performance out of it. Every now and then the card developers do something strange, they will implement their own way of doing something. In this case, its the shadows, the 440 has problems across the board with DirectX Shadows, and the development team at KE would have to go out of their way to make it work. Its not worth it for one particular card. The bottom line is, however, the card IS supported and DOES work. Its a low-end card, and you're getting low-end performance out of it.

And to both of you...ready for this? Crying because you got banned from a forum is silly, wanna know why? Because its not your forum...I can see why both of you would be banned, neither of you have a good grasp on reason...and if you acted like this on any forum I've ever moderated, you would be gone there too. Thats the great thing about a private forum...its owned by a private entity, and they can boot you out for any reason what-so-ever, because its THEIRS and NOT YOURS....

Im not trying to be a *****, I've just read through this message ... and I remember both of your from KE forums (never posted much over there, just read every now and then) and it seems that you both have a serious victim mentality.

Lastly, from a purely legal standpoint, Jay, when you open the CD case on the game, you're agreeing to the EULA, which states that the game is released AS-IS and there is no guarantee of pretty much anything...
Old 08-04-2005 | 09:35 AM
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geforce 440 does NOT have problem with shadow on directx across the board. even back in the TNT and voodoo days, shadow works fine. what makes it break is how the shaodw is implmented, problem is not on the HW side.
Old 08-04-2005 | 10:54 AM
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If thats the case, then explain to me why the shadows work with all the other cards....really...tell me...

I had a 440...it had all kinds of issues like that...it would show shadows in tribes, it had a lot of bad clipping problems in unreal...where with just about any other cards i used worked flawlessly...we had a big thread going on sharky extreme's forum about the 440 (and most low end nvidia cards)
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rjm1982 hate to disapoint but neither of us were banned from the forums
Old 08-04-2005 | 11:22 AM
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...form jay ... "now they will not even allow any of my posts on their forums" <--- thats a ban...u may be able to visit, but if you cant post, its a ban...

but if you want to argue semantics rather than having a point, go for it...
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...form jay ... "now they will not even allow any of my posts on their forums" <--- thats a ban...u may be able to visit, but if you cant post, its a ban...

but if you want to argue semantics rather than having a point, go for it...
I know what a "ban" is. Neither of us were banned, our posts were being censored -so chill out
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Rick...your ego is Huge.
Thank you -so is my johnson


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Basically...your saying that you stopped because it was expensive, but not because your ego-centric. However, when KE had some of your stuff up, you wanted it taken off too...now it was being hosted by them at no cost to you. The fact that you made them pull it speaks volumes...
Its actually quite simple, I used to contribute my stuff and now I don't. No hidden mystery here. I was asked by someone else why I quit -I didn't start this thread.


ORIGINAL: rjm1982

And to both of you...ready for this? Crying because you got banned from a forum is silly, wanna know why? Because its not your forum...I can see why both of you would be banned, neither of you have a good grasp on reason...and if you acted like this on any forum I've ever moderated, you would be gone there too. Thats the great thing about a private forum...its owned by a private entity, and they can boot you out for any reason what-so-ever, because its THEIRS and NOT YOURS....
Where/when was I crying -you totally lost me on this
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Just reading this as a casual sort-of third party review....i see some things that should be pointed out.

Rick...your ego is Huge. Though I never got into making skins for the G3 planes, I've spent alot of time making skins for games. With the nascar series from papyrus (non existent anymore) I made over 250 cars, quality cars....in tribes/quake/unreal, ive probably made over 150 charactor skins. During the time that I was active in it, I had it on a website, which was also high-quality work (I'm a professional Web Designer/Programmer), and was at one point, serving 3-5 gigs of data a month, costing me about 65 bux a month in hosting. That said, the only reason I took down the site was lack of interest, served bandwidth dropped to below 1 gig a month so i shut it off. What I didnt do, is ask everyone to take my stuff down.

Basically...your saying that you stopped because it was expensive, but not because your ego-centric. However, when KE had some of your stuff up, you wanted it taken off too...now it was being hosted by them at no cost to you. The fact that you made them pull it speaks volumes...

And to Jay. The game does support the 440, as it does work with it. The 440 is a low-end card, buying a low-end card means that you arent going to be able to get top performance out of it. Every now and then the card developers do something strange, they will implement their own way of doing something. In this case, its the shadows, the 440 has problems across the board with DirectX Shadows, and the development team at KE would have to go out of their way to make it work. Its not worth it for one particular card. The bottom line is, however, the card IS supported and DOES work. Its a low-end card, and you're getting low-end performance out of it.

And to both of you...ready for this? Crying because you got banned from a forum is silly, wanna know why? Because its not your forum...I can see why both of you would be banned, neither of you have a good grasp on reason...and if you acted like this on any forum I've ever moderated, you would be gone there too. Thats the great thing about a private forum...its owned by a private entity, and they can boot you out for any reason what-so-ever, because its THEIRS and NOT YOURS....

Im not trying to be a *****, I've just read through this message ... and I remember both of your from KE forums (never posted much over there, just read every now and then) and it seems that you both have a serious victim mentality.

Lastly, from a purely legal standpoint, Jay, when you open the CD case on the game, you're agreeing to the EULA, which states that the game is released AS-IS and there is no guarantee of pretty much anything...
You can call what I posted "whining or crying". I simply made some observations about G3 and was vocal about the fact that I think G3 was released at least a year before it was actually ready and I still do not believe they did any real beta testing. It is obvious that KE wanted to get their program out before Christmas so they could make the "Christmas money." Proof of my point; they didn't even have the helicopters ready at the time and, take a look at all the bugs they have had to fix just to this point, not counting all of the ones they are working on right now. Since G3's release, KE has been scrambling trying to make it an acceptable program.

The unfortunate thing about my video card is it is in a laptop and I cannot change it. This is the only program that I have had trouble with shadows or anything else. My computer will run all the DirectX 9 tests. There was no need for KE to do the shadows the way they did. Oh, by the way, they said on the forums for quite some time that they were working on a patch for the GeForce 440 cards and when they were pressed, they finally admitted they weren't. All you have to do is go back through the KE forums and you'll see that they really don't think much of their customers.

Another thing, they did finally put some of my posts on the forum after several days.

Jump Rick and me all you want but why should we give out skins or edits, that took our time and money, to boost the value of G3 when they show us no respect?

In my opinion, KE has a lot to learn about how to treat their customers and I hope that they will thoroughly test any other programs before they release them. I'm done with them and I'm sure there are many others that feel the same way I do. One thing is for sure, the guys at KE could care less how I feel.

Jay
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And to Jay. The game does support the 440, as it does work with it. The 440 is a low-end card, buying a low-end card means that you arent going to be able to get top performance out of it. Every now and then the card developers do something strange, they will implement their own way of doing something. In this case, its the shadows, the 440 has problems across the board with DirectX Shadows, and the development team at KE would have to go out of their way to make it work. Its not worth it for one particular card. The bottom line is, however, the card IS supported and DOES work. Its a low-end card, and you're getting low-end performance out of it.

Hmm, if you bought a new BMW and it would only do 45mph down the freeway, would you say the car "worked?"

Jay
Old 08-04-2005 | 02:06 PM
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"Jump Rick and me all you want but why should we give out skins or edits, that took our time and money, to boost the value of G3 when they show us no respect?"

Thats the question that needs answering (without attacking us please)!


I was also xtremely vocal about my "issues" running G3. When I got G3 I had a 9800pro card in my PC and it was hard for me to maintain at least 30fps. At the time (7 months ago) the 9800pro was considered to be one of the fastest vidcards on the market. I ended up spending $400+tax for a Nvidia 6800GT 256meg card and performance is now acceptable, but if I crank up the AA/AF the fps still dip below 30[X(] (with AFPD and all settings maxxed I get fps in excess of 600). Most of the postings over at the KE forums are from new users who cant get g3 to run on their systems and the answer is always the same "sorry but your vid card is not supported at this time". Whenever somebody asks the question "should I get AFDP,G3 or Reflex" I always tell them don't even consider G3 unless you have an Uber PC or you will be dissapointed!!

I always preffered G3 over the others because of its multiplayer capabilites, unfortunetly for me I have been unable to connect to multiplay sessions for some time now so my enthusiasm for G3 has faded.

Jay and I were helping G3 become a more enjoyable sim -nobody can deny this! Will G3 "survive" without us? Of course it will.
Old 08-04-2005 | 02:27 PM
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I dont understand why you had to get a $400+ video card just to run it "acceptably". I went to best buy and bought a $75 128mb Radeon card and i get about 28 - 60FPS with everything turned down and ssame with multiplayer. But if i turn EVERYTHING to the medium setting then i prolly get about 10 - 20FPS. Unless you want to run everything on highest then i dont see a reason to buy a $400+ card.

And jay, it sounds like you are being very nick picky, i understand your anger but KE can only help but so many people at one time, remember, not everyone has internet access which means tech support over the phone is getting complaints too.
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,,,,And jay, it sounds like you are being very nick picky, i understand your anger but KE can only help but so many people at one time, remember, not everyone has internet access which means tech support over the phone is getting complaints too.
"Nick Picky?" About what? That I think they put the program out too early and didn't beta test? I'm not sure where you are coming from here. Or do you think I should run right out and buy any new program KE comes out with next? [:-]

I'm still waiting on a call back from their tech support from February of this year! LOL I don't think they are THAT busy.

Jay
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Breakstuff I CANT run G3 w/everything on highest setting w/my $400 video card it turns into a slide show. I can run all the latest DirectX9 games on my PC and I get great performance w/settings maxxed, G3 is the only game I've got that cant be run at max settings. Try running Battlefield2 w/ all setting maxxed w/your Radeon and watch what happens

edit: why would you want to lower all your settings anyway?

Theirs a guy who posts here called "r1derbike" who has a dual 6800ultra setup that can run G3 at max settings (thats like $1200 dollars worth of video cards)


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