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Old 03-07-2007 | 05:19 PM
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[...] I would say that having used Reflex,AFPD and G3.5 that G3.5 is the best by a MILE.AFPD is far too floaty,Reflex is just useless but Realflight G3.5 is excellent and i have been using it for ages now .I even model planes for it and there are literally hundreds of downloads for it which are being updated all the time.The Aircraft editor is fantastic as you can change anything on the plane and with online multiplayer to boot you just cant go wrong.So if you are going to spend your hard earned cash i would recommend getting Realflight G3.5 without question.
How do you comment the fact that AFPD won the Golden Wings Award?
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golden wings is a german award and as thus it only every goes between AFPD and Reflex... funny that eh?

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Who has won the golden wings in the past?

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[...] I would say that having used Reflex,AFPD and G3.5 that G3.5 is the best by a MILE.AFPD is far too floaty,Reflex is just useless but Realflight G3.5 is excellent and i have been using it for ages now .I even model planes for it and there are literally hundreds of downloads for it which are being updated all the time.The Aircraft editor is fantastic as you can change anything on the plane and with online multiplayer to boot you just cant go wrong.So if you are going to spend your hard earned cash i would recommend getting Realflight G3.5 without question.
How do you comment the fact that AFPD won the Golden Wings Award?
I was asking myself that same question.

How on earth did AFDP win an award on realism over G3, I honestly don’t understand it. I will tell you this though, in AFDP I can perfectly hover helicopters, and I can perfectly land every jet in the sim, even the 747. The sim is straight up unrealistic. I have been playing G3 for over a year and im still lucky to get a jet on the ground in one peace. (which would still be unrealistic compared to real life)

AFDP is just way to easy, any way I look at it. 3D maneuvers like hovering, give me a break I can stay in a hover all day in AFDP. The only hay I can do that in G3 is if I use the Yak with a gyro. And I can’t even come close to sustaining a decent hover in real life.

The only thing that comes to mind (and im not making any assertions or pointing fingers) but from what I understand AFDP was coded overseas wile all the others seem to be USA based. I don’t know anything about the Golden wing awards or who judges them but perhaps there could be some form of bias present. Because in my opinion I would honestly put AFDP only above clear view. I would own G3.5, FS-One, and Phoenix, before I would buy AFDP
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What is the Golden Wings Award?
Old 03-08-2007 | 06:22 PM
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[...] I would own G3.5, FS-One, and Phoenix, before I would buy AFDP
Ok... summarizing.. for a fixed-wing flyer the right choice is between G3.5 and FS-One. Phoenix maybe is more for helis.
Is there some FS-One user that can say his experience?
Old 03-08-2007 | 06:24 PM
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Old 03-10-2007 | 11:23 AM
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Ok, i have spent about a half hour on FS-One just for you buddy; Ok I was a little curious myself.

FS-One has some neat features like towing. I much prefer the edge 540 that comes with FS-One over the one in G3. But that’s just because I own an Edge 540. For most everyone else it would be a nill issue. I did some hovering and landings and then just general flight.

Hovering on FS-One might have been a little harder but im not totally sure as I was only on it for a half hour. Landing 3d planes was about the same as G3.5. Graphics left much to be desired, very much to be desired. And I noticed the Controller doesn’t have near the switches that the G3 controller has. I don’t know if this translates to fewer options or not as I didn’t have enough time to check everything out.

At the end of the day, I would have walked out of the store with G3.5. The differences in FS-One were so small that id have to go with the sim that had better graphics, and that’s something that G3 absolutely has over FS-One. And it's not just for aesthetics, you can actually better see your plane in the air in G3, allowing for more realistic reactions, and that’s obviously important.

But remember these graphics come at a cost; they need power so make sure your computer specs are good enough to run it.
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[..] At the end of the day, I would have walked out of the store with G3.5. The differences in FS-One were so small that id have to go with the sim that had better graphics, and that’s something that G3 absolutely has over FS-One. And it's not just for aesthetics, you can actually better see your plane in the air in G3, allowing for more realistic reactions, and that’s obviously important.

But remember these graphics come at a cost; they need power so make sure your computer specs are good enough to run it.
Thank you scriptt!
I agree with you that graphics is important!
I have a MacBook Pro 17" 2.33 GHz Intel Core 2 Due, 2 GB ram and an ATI RadeonX1600 256 MB... I hope to not have problems to run it under Windows XP!
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What is the golden wings award and what does it mean?
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What is the golden wings award and what does it mean?
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Old 03-11-2007 | 10:45 AM
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FS One for ease of use. I had to reverse to control surfaces just to get AFPD to work. The grafics are not that great compared to FSOne and it certainly is not as user friendly from the time you open he box to getting it to fly.

I really don't see all the hype for AFPD when others look more realistic and you have multiple patches to get the same you would with FSOne or G3
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I prefer AFPD..great graphics and great selections of helis and planes...
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There are allot of generalized statements that have been made that are less than accurate about Aerofly. Aerofly has the ability to adjust the amount of propwash over any given control surface ranging from 0-100%. Set too high with a aft CG and 3D models will be easier than they should be to hover and control at low speed. Turn the values down if there too easy to hover. If they float, increase the wing loading. But guess what?....There are real models that are easy to hover and models that float too.
I said it before, In real life airplanes and helis can fly in a variety of ways and have many characteristics. Aerofly can reproduce near all these characteristics.

I must say, I was skeptical about AFP and AFPD at first but quickly learned what a wonderful program they are and still is. I never looked back to my G3 and Reflex again after that. The Phoenix sim my be a wonderful program as well, I don't know but will stick with Aerofly Pro Deluxe.

I'm not trying to convince anyone one way or another but I do support the engineers that helped to make AFPD what it is. Great Job! The next generation will blow your minds. Well..I hope at lease mine.

Enjoy what ever sim you choose...

There is no Hype about Aerofly, Just Happy users.

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There are allot of generalized statements that have been made that are less than accurate about Aerofly. Aerofly has the ability to adjust the amount of propwash over any given control surface ranging from 0-100%. Set too high with a aft CG and 3D models will be easier than they should be to hover and control at low speed. Turn the values down if there too easy to hover. If they float, increase the wing loading. But guess what?....There are real models that are easy to hover and models that float too.
I said it before, In real life airplanes and helis can fly in a variety of ways and have many characteristics. Aerofly can reproduce near all these characteristics.
Thank you for these explanations. I wonder if it is intuitive to set these options: till now I only used real models and I do not know how they relate to the parameters of AFPD.
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Rjovale,
The parameters I described are very easy to make changes to and you could say they are intuitive to adjust as the attached picture shows.
To be honest, there are a couple setups that are not intuitive such as setting up aerofly for your own radio. I didn't fine it hard at all but it dose require a bit of thinking if your like me and choose not to read the manual
People prefer different sims for different reasons. Some like the game play ability where some like the technical aspects of a particular sim and the list goes on and on. I'm an amateur engineer and enjoy among many things designing airplanes and other flying machines. AFPD is very much like the real thing when it comes to designing aircraft for the software. Aerofly uses the wireframe(the image you see) to determine the moments, areas, center loads, and much of the aircrafts parameters. Even though a aircraft may start with the same driver file called a .TMD file, it's the wireframe that has the largest effect assuming the selected airfoils in the TMD file reflect the wireframe. And What makes it even cooler is the numbers in the sim reflect real life. Tell me how the engineers at Ipacs accomplished that! That to me is unbelievable but yet it's true. I only know that because of my vast experience in flying models, designing hundreds and flying far more. Many aerofly modelers like myself desire a model to fly in a certain way and have good qualities. Sometimes the desire to have a good flying model overcomes the realism aspect. Mass, thrust vectoring, and drag reductions are three sometimes exaggerated aspect of aerofly models and all are easily changeable. But if your one that chooses not to think or simply doesn't understand what's going on I can understand the bashing of Aerofly to a small extent. I'm a thinker and use Aerofly Pro Deluxe to it's fullest extent and love the program. The program is not so full of code you can't make changes outside the adjustable parameters in the program. As long as you know what makes aircraft tick and know what to change in and/or outside the sim the possibilities are endless. And I haven't found a sim other than AFPD yet the will give the feel I desire witch is so important to me.

If you end up choosing AFPD and have questions I can help as will others. If not, Best of luck with choosing a sim you will enjoy.

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If you end up choosing AFPD and have questions I can help as will others. If not, Best of luck with choosing a sim you will enjoy.

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Thank you TWRC! I am changing my mind: what you said sounds very interesting!

What do you think about FSOne Vs AFPD?
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Hello Rjovale,
I only used FS One at the hobby shop. I didn't get the chance to really get into the program but used some of the stock models and flying sights. I wasn't really impressed but that means nothing because all the programs have there quarks and models setup by people that have there own taste. The soaring physics did seem very poor on the slope and one of the sceneries seem as if it was either not finished or poorly made as you could fly into the grass and keep going as if there was no ground. It was enough to turn me off from the program but it still may have potential, I don't know and may never know as I'm happy with what I have.

Do you have any way of trying before you buy? People have different preferences. Some of the programs have Demos you can download. G3 and reflex both do. Have you tried them?

Pat

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Rjovale,
The parameters I described are very easy to make changes to and you could say they are intuitive to adjust as the attached picture shows.
To be honest, there are a couple setups that are not intuitive such as setting up aerofly for your own radio. I didn't fine it hard at all but it dose require a bit of thinking if your like me and choose not to read the manual
People prefer different sims for different reasons. Some like the game play ability where some like the technical aspects of a particular sim and the list goes on and on. I'm an amateur engineer and enjoy among many things designing airplanes and other flying machines. AFPD is very much like the real thing when it comes to designing aircraft for the software. Aerofly uses the wireframe(the image you see) to determine the moments, areas, center loads, and much of the aircrafts parameters. Even though a aircraft may start with the same driver file called a .TMD file, it's the wireframe that has the largest effect assuming the selected airfoils in the TMD file reflect the wireframe. And What makes it even cooler is the numbers in the sim reflect real life. Tell me how the engineers at Ipacs accomplished that! That to me is unbelievable but yet it's true. I only know that because of my vast experience in flying models, designing hundreds and flying far more. Many aerofly modelers like myself desire a model to fly in a certain way and have good qualities. Sometimes the desire to have a good flying model overcomes the realism aspect. Mass, thrust vectoring, and drag reductions are three sometimes exaggerated aspect of aerofly models and all are easily changeable. But if your one that chooses not to think or simply doesn't understand what's going on I can understand the bashing of Aerofly to a small extent. I'm a thinker and use Aerofly Pro Deluxe to it's fullest extent and love the program. The program is not so full of code you can't make changes outside the adjustable parameters in the program. As long as you know what makes aircraft tick and know what to change in and/or outside the sim the possibilities are endless. And I haven't found a sim other than AFPD yet the will give the feel I desire witch is so important to me.

If you end up choosing AFPD and have questions I can help as will others. If not, Best of luck with choosing a sim you will enjoy.

Pat
Hi could you by any chance tell me what settings to use on a specific plane to got the most realistic hovering experience out of AFDP? I have been using the Extra 330S and the hype 3d. But if you know good settings for any specific plane I will switch. Thanks in advance
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Hi could you by any chance tell me what settings to use on a specific plane to got the most realistic hovering experience out of AFDP? I have been using the Extra 330S and the hype 3d. But if you know good settings for any specific plane I will switch. Thanks in advance
TWRC, I am very interested to see if you will succeed in founding good settings to let scriptt fly realistically as in G3.5!
Thank you all buddies!
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I've flown real models like the Funtana 40 where one model was nearly impossible to hover while an other was down right easy. Setup was the difference. CG being a biggy but engine and propeller will effect the velocity of air and it's displacement over any given control surface. Air temperature and air pressure also effect how and airplane performs in flight and while hovering. It's kinda tuff to know what others experiences have been so I set up my sim models to perform the way I enjoy them.

Scriptt, If you would like to PM me with your email address I'll send you my Hype's modified TMD file. Backup the original and replace it with mine if you wish. I don't have the stock 40% Extra 300s in my inventory of aerofly models anymore. I removed all the models I don't fly. There are so many good flying downloads plus the models I make for myself that I had to make room for more:-)

Like I said before, I'm not trying to convince anyone one way or another. It's just Aerofly as a huge amount of potential. It's all in how you apply it as with any sim, as well as where your interests lye. What it all comes down to once again, is personal preference. No disrespect to anyone here but to Rjovale, I would recommend rather than taking anyone's word for anything you try before you buy and make the call for your self. As you have read, people have very different opinions.
I thing I've helped out as much as I can here.
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Like I said before, I'm not trying to convince anyone one way or another. It's just Aerofly as a huge amount of potential. It's all in how you apply it as with any sim, as well as where your interests lye. What it all comes down to once again, is personal preference. No disrespect to anyone here but to Rjovale, I would recommend rather than taking anyone's word for anything you try before you buy and make the call for your self. As you have read, people have very different opinions.
I thing I've helped out as much as I can here.
Best of luck.
TWRC, you are right that it's better if I try before buy... but to try without a controller it is not very useful and I do not know where to find a dealer where I live (Chicago). In any case it is interesting to hear different points of view and opinions of more experienced users like you and scriptt


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