i am looking for a nice scale sailplane around 300$ for the kit, arf, or, rtr that is good for aero tow, slope, and lite aerobatics anyone got any ideas if you could put up a link that would be great
thanks
nick

Rats... Robbe discontinued the kit I was going to point you at... (and everything else that I wanted to try as alternates was discontinued too... been a while since I bought a good sailplane kit...)

Try here for a selection to look at.
http://www.nesail.com/categories.php...fcb6d23975fb91
(They have ads on this forum... so it should be OK to link them)

Northeast has a good reputation.... I've never dealt with them personally though.

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BTW... longer span to chord (higher aspect ratio) is better for thermaling... lower aspect ratio is desireable for slope soaring if the slope is not large... sometimes it takes a lot of maneuverability to stay in the slope lift, and you just can't get a fast roll rate with a long thin wing.

The "older" design scale models will give the best ability to do all the types of soaring you want to try in one airplane. (they have lower aspect ratios) With the noted exception of that "PSS" Fighter... which would be no good for thermal hunting.

What is your skill level.

Also there is not a sailplane that will do it all u have to be more precise and define what u want than u can pick a plane.

Focusing on what u realy want to do the most and than going from there looking for the other cababilities of the plane trying to find a good medium so u are covered in almost all your desires.


Saludos

Landi

i am a good flyer i am working on a 1/4 p-51 for top gun i hope
i can handle fost planes i have flown a few gliders and even real ones i fly
real planes as well so i can fly any thing but a jet up to now
i would like to get an aero tow glider that has good slope skills and can do simple aerobatics
or none i would like it to be able to do thermal flying as well but if i had to chose one it would probable be a slope glider
and if posible aero tow
thanks for the help

Honestly... someone that is headed toward being ready to fly "Top Gun" level competition (best of the best only need apply there...) would have a better understanding of the reasons one type model CAN'T do all the types of stuff you are asking for.

You don't take a Piper Cub and plan to win a 3D aerobatics competition against an Extra 300.

You don't take a racing modified P-51 and try 3D aerobatics either...

Different aircraft do different things well.


Slope soaring CAN accomodate a wide range of models... there are slope sites you coukld push a Top Gun quality jet powered model off the cliff and fly the thing for 20 min deadstick. (we joked at one site....you could almost fly a brick with control surfaces added... 25 mph avg wind speed... nearly vertical.)

There are some slope sites... you can't fly anything less maneuverable than what the EPP foam "PSS" (Power Slope Scale) would be... because the space can be TIGHT.

Thermal hunting you need long thin wings because they are more efficient... and the wings length helps you locate the thermals.

Aerotow... those long wings can create some trouble keeping the plane behind the towplane. The glider may not be able to turn tight enough quickly enough. (a good towpilot will avaoid doing a turn the glider can't follow. But that takes practice.)

Well for $300 u wont get anything really good.

I would try a ASH26 4 meter is a good glider and should fit your skill levels. You will be able to do some loops rolls and stall turns if u want to go more in to aerobatics you will have ot get a Salto or Fox. The ASH is a good glider for termaling and slow aerobatics.

Also the DG600 is a exelent glider with a very good speed envelope and capaple of some aerobatics

But planes in the 4 meter class u will have to spend a little more than $300 by the time u are finish with the plane u will have $1000 + deoending on your outfit.

Icare has some good gliders have a look. Nordeast sailplane is ok but I dont like their quality.

I normally import my gliders directlly from the manufacturer in germany. It is a little costly but u get good quality.

Im just finishing a DG505 from

http://home.t-online.de/home/modellbau-schueler/

It has 6.29 m wingspan and taking the wingtips of it becomes the aerobatic version of the DG505 so I have the best of both worlds. But for a price.

Saludos Landi

well lets see i got a heli i am trying to sell or trade i just go a new one and have no nead for this one so i can get like 800
for it so lets say 1000 to spend on a glider ready to go i like the idea of that self contained power system on those gliders anyone got anythin they could trade me or any good gliders i can get for 1000 ready to go
thanks
nick gill

links please i am not up on the glider sights and thanks everyone for the help you guys are the best
thanks
nick gill

what about the molded ask-21 4.2m is it any good
[link=http://www.scalesoaring.net/EMM/asw.htm]ask-21[/link]
thanks
nick gill

Personally... to meet the requirements you stated (slope and thermal and aerotow... and a scale model) I'd look for something closer to this:

http://www.nesail.com/detail.php?pro...fcb6d23975fb91

It also is under your original quoted price. (assuming you did not mean including the radio system...)

It would work for all the areas you wanted... but obvously would not be looking to win any endurance contests at thermaling. (nor any aerobatics contests... nor... well... any contest.)

i am looking for something more moderm looking performance wise i would say its a good plane though
i can spend at the vary most 1000 ready to go with out a radio but servose must be in the cost
a self launching system would ne nice but is not neaded
how dose this one look i am not the best know what things in gliders mean and i thank you all for the time and help
[link=http://www.nesail.com/detail.php?productID=2821]here[/link]
thanks
nick gill

wingspan... 177 inches ( well over 4 meters...) THAT is one large model.

It would be essentially useless at many slope sites. Being unfamiliar with your area... I have no idea if any slope sites that were large enough would be within your commute range.

For thermal hunting... it would be good. for aerotowing... you'd have to find someone with a VERY large model to tow it... (that model would normally be winch launched... Any High-start would have a hard time with it. Most High-Starts would barely get it aloft. some wouln't even drag it across the ground...)

Start out with gliders with something on the lines of the Great Planes "Spirit" or Carl Goldberg "Gentle Lady"... Nice easy to handle 2- meter introductory types that aren't expensive.

i know rc i have had two other gliders befor but i want to get into scale gliding now and i am not familure with them there is not a hole lot of info out there to look over so i come here the place i know best what size glider should i get i live in marietta GA

The ASK-21 is a exelent glider. In our club a friend has one from RODEL and it thermals well has a good speed envelope, does loops stall turns and flys inverted. Is a exelent choice for the intermidiate pilot.

Any model wit a 40cc engine will be able to tow the ASK without any problem. The model weight aprox 13 lbs.

I think the ASK will meet your requirements for now but it will be alittle out of your price range.

RODEL models are a hell of a lot of work to put together. I dont know how much prefab the RODELs from John Derstine has but the one we put together it was a chalenge and as all good german kits they assume that ua are a expert builder so consider yourself luky if u get 2 pages of instruction manual with your glider all in german

Saludos Landi

is there any good self powerd gliders that would be in my price range that do what i want i think that would be something neat to have
thanks for the info
nick gill

If u want ot stay in scale you will have to spend even more money. A good motor, gearbox, the retract for the motor, ESC, batteries well if u are lucky u may go away with $700 plus the price of the glider, servos reciver etc....

Saludos

Landi

Take a look at the Flair kit AS K8 1/4 scale. This kit has built up wings and fuse. The instructions are quite good, many pictorials and very clear. Well thought out kit. I also know it flys well. I saw it fly at the Woodcrafters Soar-in 2003. It has ailerons, spoiler, rudder, stab and aerotow release. Most all hardware is included. It is in the price range you are looking for a little over $300.

choper relax i fly composite big birds 3m etc i started with guess what a dynaflite wanderer i modified it just a bit bit flies like a dream i got a question acrobatics there gliders ok i must admit when i am bored my last flight is a show off one with a few barrel rolls and other things. for your skill range get a plane like the Bird of time it will take some time to build but a great aircraft to fly plus it has alierons itll offer something in the future

The Wanderer... Sig Riser, Goldberg's Gentle Lady and Great Planes' Spirt. ALL are excelent introductory 2 meter gliders that can give years of enjoyment. (I have had at least one of each... I liked the Gentle Lady best and had at least 4 of them.)

Next step up that I had was a model by Robbe (which is discontinued and I can't remember the name of it.. []) 2.2 meter, sheeted foam core wings, ABS fuselage... a strong and FAST sailplane. (ripped the wing apart with excess High-start tension... tried doubling up the 3/8 inch surgical tube. young and dumb.. trying and for a 1500 ft [X(]GLIDER HEIGHT[X(] launch on 2000 ft 90 lb fishing line. 500 ft of being drug through weeds with a snapped wing did it no good.)'

I've forgotten most of the others I've had... And don't know the name of the one I have now. (bought framed up "in the bones"... fiberglas pod, aluminum boom, interchangeable wing panels for from 2 meter to 3 meter span. RES in any setup... 4 possible spans due to 2 lenghts of tip panels and 2 lengths of center panels.)

None of my sailplane kits cost over $80... (only paid full price on the Gentle Lady kits... the Robbe was 80% off list! Right when they discontinued it.)

I like my wanderer above the Gl never flown the normal wanderer