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Old 06-20-2007 | 12:57 PM
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For the bad weather I would suggest to get yourself a sim. You can fly it every time till waiting for spare part to arrive or good weather.
Another person that don't read.
Didn't you read already I said here that I have RealFlight G3.5? Did you? I don't think you did.
Anyway, a flight simulator will not prevent that the wind out there is windy, nor it will prevent that you don't crash. - Get real. The fact that one does very well on a flight simulator, it does NOT mean that you will not crash in real time, period.

Sure, it helps alot, and it has helped me alot (more helped me my Blade CX2 in real time), but one thing is crashing a virtual helicopter on a computer screen 100 times in a day, than going to the park or field and crash one time in 5 minutes.

Driving a car on a PC, doesn't necessarily means you won't go out and drive and kill someone with your car. It helps, but it is not the real thing.

Anything else? French fries with that? [>:]

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that's for tail drive shaft:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...ft#post7591555

that's for easton arrow 2213 (this is exact size as OEM boom):

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...ow#post7514070

I've bought it in hunter supply shop.
Whatever.
Hey, are you the guy that said to me the comment about the 3 mm tail shaft, and 1.5 mm at the end, etc? - This morning I woke up thinking of this comment, and I now understood what you meant, and you are right! - The Falcon 3D tail rod is 3 mm in diameter, but true because the end is smaller to acommodate the gears, the end is like half size of course, making it 1.5 mm, and that makes it more fragile and easier to break. - Next time this ever happen to me, I will get me a 3 mm CF rod at a local hobby shop, and make my own tail shaft.

The thing is, the stock gear(s) the hole is not round but kinda half-way, whatever you call that, so how did you fix that? Do they sell anywhere gears like this that would have the hole 3 mm and round? If so, where can I buy it?....I would even prefer it to be metallic rather than made of Teflon or whatever this material is. However, being metallic I would imagine that would break the shaft faster, or even mess up the big gear where the small gear sits on....What do you think?

I saw somewhere on the web the Shogun tail shaft, and that gear seems to be metallic, probably made of bronze, it looks metal and yellow (or amber) in color.

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I ordered Realflight G3.5, so now I have something to practice on while waiting for parts

I have had a G3 sim for several months now and it was instrumental in my being able to hover the Falcon right out of the box . I just played around with some of the settings the other night and made it more like the Falcon 3D . I took the Dominion3D copter and painted the canopy red then changed things like weight , selected electric motor , no clutch , turned off the smoke and all that to make it simulate the falcon pretty darn close . There is still a muffler hanging off the side but it flys like the little Falcon better than the other helis in G3 it seems . Fun stuff

I use the Easton 2212 arrow shaft in mine and it fits better than the 2213 I tried , not sure what's up there with others having luck with the 13's . You can also pick up used arrows at your local archery/hunting store for about 2 bucks each sometimes

Concerning the gear snapping off the carbon shaft for the tail rotor make sure when you make your own boom that the bearings are as close to the ends of the boom and gear as possible . Don't leave enough room between the bearing and the little white gears for the shaft to flex . The gear I had snap the other day was due to this as I looked more closely . I have only had the one gear snap off and the bearing was mounted about an 1/8 inch recessed into the boom .

This is the Easton 2212 arrow shaft and bearings installed that I have had great success with ..notice the bearings are almost flush with the boom end .





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Same here, I have been in this hobby for almost a year and I've been fixing more than flying my helis and today I'm only 13.
I have a Lama V3, a Walkera Dragonfly 4, and a Falcon 3D and I've been ordering parts, fixing, and flying my helis all by myself.
I got tired of ordering parts and waiting for them all the time, so about 2 weeks ago I ordered Realflight G3.5, so now I have something to practice on while waiting for parts and for good whether because I live on a mountain and it's always sunny, but the average amount of wind everyday is 10-15 mph.
The wind won't be a problem soon because I'm going to buy a Nitro Sceadu Evo 50 helicopter in about a month.
Good for you if today you're 13, then Happy Birthday!
And good choice on the RealFlight G3.5, I have it too since a month or so ago, and since I have that simulator and a Blade CX2 that I purchased much before, I gained the dexterity and confidence to be able to hover and/or fly helis. The Blade CX2 made a big difference to me, and RealFlight G3.5 a big help.

However, as I keep on saying, the fact that we practice on RealFlight G3.5 doesn't necessarily means that when we fly the real thing at the park or field it won't crash, because it will, and it will be painful, because on the simulator you can crash all you want, but in real life you crash, you pay $$$ on parts...that's a fact...hehe.

Anyway, you've been at this a year, so you have probably alot more practice than I do of course. However, in only three months I've been at this, have spent too much, and got not one but four helis....too many for so little time, and it is been too much on my budget.

I got a Walkera 22E (which I am about to take all apart in pieces, pure crap), an E-flite Blade CX2, a Heli-Max Axe CP, and an Art-Tech Falcon 3D... other than that, my very first one which I still have was a Fly Dragonfly 2-channel piece of junk that I regret I paid $40 for it on eBay, but I bought it without seen it in person and knowing anything at all about these R/C helis. - One of those things we "fall in love" with in life, get it, and then just to find out it was a royal piece of crap. - And the other one (yeah one more) is a tiny look-alike of a PicooZ micro heli that was good for a few days and I flew it all over the house until it broke a plastic shaft on the main rotor, it lasted 3-4 days, but it was fun, I still have it here in front of me on top of the computer as an ornamental item, looks cute...hehe.

Right now I'm waiting for the parts I ordered for my Falcon 3D, but here you order parts and get them in three days, so it's not too bad, and I don't have to wait for the parts to come from Hong Kong nor China...even though the Falcon *is* made in the continental China, but Hobby-Lobby is a distributor in the U.S., I get my parts from them. This is the first time I order parts for the Falcon 3D from them, not bad, I crashed it many times in less than a month but fixed it myself... mostly bent flybar, bent main shaft, smacked tail boom, things that I could fix myself or wait until they are completely broken...even the canopy looked like it went to the Vietnam war, I ordered a new one too...$2.60 for the canopy you can't beat that price, most inexpensive canopy I've seen so far.

Ah, ok you live in the mountains and it's sunny there, but that doesn't mean that there is no wind. The fact that it's sunny it has nothing to do with NO wind. - I live in the most sunniest state in the U.S, Florida... the "Sunshine State" [8D] and it is all flat, but we got NO mountains nor valleys of course at all here, not even a little hill, it is very sunny always, yet there is alot of wind here because the city where I live is close to the beach, and as yourself we got *always* 10-15 MPH, so I have to wait for "calm" days, which is like almost waiting for the Moon to dissapear.....hahahaa, nearly impossible, that has been my big problem on advancing on this hobby. [:@]

Regards...shalom
Thanks, but I meant that I'm 13 years old. My birthday was a few months ago.
Anyways, since it's really windy here where I live, I thought it would be good to set the wind to 10-15 mph on Realflight G3.5 so I can get a little used to flying in the wind.

I am also waiting for parts right now. I ordered the Tail Gear Box from Ka-Planes, but since I live in Israel, I'm gonna have to wait 2 weeks for the parts to arrive.
I used to live in Atlanta, Georgia where it was calm and I would only have to wait 3 days for parts to arrive, but I moved to Israel a year ago after living in Atlanta for my whole life.
So I guess it's gonna be a while until I get to fly my Falcon again.
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Same here, I have been in this hobby for almost a year and I've been fixing more than flying my helis and today I'm only 13.
I have a Lama V3, a Walkera Dragonfly 4, and a Falcon 3D and I've been ordering parts, fixing, and flying my helis all by myself.
I got tired of ordering parts and waiting for them all the time, so about 2 weeks ago I ordered Realflight G3.5, so now I have something to practice on while waiting for parts and for good whether because I live on a mountain and it's always sunny, but the average amount of wind everyday is 10-15 mph.
The wind won't be a problem soon because I'm going to buy a Nitro Sceadu Evo 50 helicopter in about a month.
Good for you if today you're 13, then Happy Birthday!
And good choice on the RealFlight G3.5, I have it too since a month or so ago, and since I have that simulator and a Blade CX2 that I purchased much before, I gained the dexterity and confidence to be able to hover and/or fly helis. The Blade CX2 made a big difference to me, and RealFlight G3.5 a big help.

However, as I keep on saying, the fact that we practice on RealFlight G3.5 doesn't necessarily means that when we fly the real thing at the park or field it won't crash, because it will, and it will be painful, because on the simulator you can crash all you want, but in real life you crash, you pay $$$ on parts...that's a fact...hehe.

Anyway, you've been at this a year, so you have probably alot more practice than I do of course. However, in only three months I've been at this, have spent too much, and got not one but four helis....too many for so little time, and it is been too much on my budget.

I got a Walkera 22E (which I am about to take all apart in pieces, pure crap), an E-flite Blade CX2, a Heli-Max Axe CP, and an Art-Tech Falcon 3D... other than that, my very first one which I still have was a Fly Dragonfly 2-channel piece of junk that I regret I paid $40 for it on eBay, but I bought it without seen it in person and knowing anything at all about these R/C helis. - One of those things we "fall in love" with in life, get it, and then just to find out it was a royal piece of crap. - And the other one (yeah one more) is a tiny look-alike of a PicooZ micro heli that was good for a few days and I flew it all over the house until it broke a plastic shaft on the main rotor, it lasted 3-4 days, but it was fun, I still have it here in front of me on top of the computer as an ornamental item, looks cute...hehe.

Right now I'm waiting for the parts I ordered for my Falcon 3D, but here you order parts and get them in three days, so it's not too bad, and I don't have to wait for the parts to come from Hong Kong nor China...even though the Falcon *is* made in the continental China, but Hobby-Lobby is a distributor in the U.S., I get my parts from them. This is the first time I order parts for the Falcon 3D from them, not bad, I crashed it many times in less than a month but fixed it myself... mostly bent flybar, bent main shaft, smacked tail boom, things that I could fix myself or wait until they are completely broken...even the canopy looked like it went to the Vietnam war, I ordered a new one too...$2.60 for the canopy you can't beat that price, most inexpensive canopy I've seen so far.

Ah, ok you live in the mountains and it's sunny there, but that doesn't mean that there is no wind. The fact that it's sunny it has nothing to do with NO wind. - I live in the most sunniest state in the U.S, Florida... the "Sunshine State" [8D] and it is all flat, but we got NO mountains nor valleys of course at all here, not even a little hill, it is very sunny always, yet there is alot of wind here because the city where I live is close to the beach, and as yourself we got *always* 10-15 MPH, so I have to wait for "calm" days, which is like almost waiting for the Moon to dissapear.....hahahaa, nearly impossible, that has been my big problem on advancing on this hobby. [:@]

Regards...shalom
Thanks, but I meant that I'm 13 years old. My birthday was a few months ago.
Anyways, since it's really windy here where I live, I thought it would be good to set the wind to 10-15 mph on Realflight G3.5 so I can get a little used to flying in the wind.

I am also waiting for parts right now. I ordered the Tail Gear Box from Ka-Planes, but since I live in Israel, I'm gonna have to wait 2 weeks for the parts to arrive.
I used to live in Atlanta, Georgia where it was calm and I would only have to wait 3 days for parts to arrive, but I moved to Israel a year ago after living in Atlanta for my whole life.
So I guess it's gonna be a while until I get to fly my Falcon again.
Well, if you read your message again it said "....I am 13 today", so I assumed *today* was your birthday.

Ah! No wonder you speak(write) English so well, I was in another message about to mention that for being an Israeli you spoke English perfect, but now I see you're more American than I am..hehe. - Yeah man wind is a hassle, I live in Florida near the East coast and I pray for a day in "calm", and always wondered about those wonderful videos where I saw people flying helis so nicely without any trouble live!....well, obviously in a very calm place with either NO wind or very little wind all the time, that would be a blessing for me, and you bet in these last 3 months I've been an expert by now...but the damn wind has made my learning curve very very slow, against my wish, nothing I can do about it.

True, RealFlight G3.5 has helped me alot also, and as yourself I sometimes set it to 10+ MPH and try fly that way, people that connect to my server (I run it multiplayer almost everyday) complain about the wind, and I keep on telling them that anyone can fly a helicopter with NO wind, that the good pilot is the one that can fly it even with wind, so besides that I need to practice that way, and if they don't like it....though, too bad, leave..hehe.

Man what a big jump from Atlanta to Israel, how did you end up there? Either you're a religious misioner, or your relatives are Jewish, either way the context is out of the subject of this thread, sorry to mention it.

So we both are waiting for parts, I ordered mine from Hobby-Lobby.com the place where I bought my Falcon 3D, ...where I actually got it for a good price, it was on sale for $279 plus I applied a $25 bonus discount there for buying more than $150....it came down to be $254 plus $8 S/H and I had it at home in three days.

I was seriously thinking about getting a belt-driven conversion kit, but that thing costs me at least $65, so I just ordered the parts I needed to fix the Falcon 3D, since it's the first time I need parts and it's less than a month old what the heck...maybe I was acting too fast, I will give it more chance and myself too....and if this thing of breaking the tail rotor shaft happens again, I will just make my own tail rotor as that guy did, and go that way.... last time I bought a CF rod like that it was like $4 or $5 bucks and it was like 40" inches long or so, that should be enough for like 2 or 3 shafts if not more....cheaper that way, so it's more fun when I do things myself than just buying them already made [&:]

These days we had alot of calm days, but before the last weeks we had alot of very windy days.....It's true as they say after the storm the calm comes or something like that....because I finally saw calm days, best time I had was one morning very early like at 6:30 AM at sunrise the WX in my city was reported as "calm" I got all ready and took my heli to the park and I had the fun of my hobby life so far.... nothing spectacular, but I hovered the Falcon 3D at like 30-35 feet, up and down, left and right.... here and there, without breaking anything or crashing for at least 10-12 minutes until I ran out of battery..... that same morning I went back there at around 10 AM, the WX was already different and there was some wind......baaaaaaaaaang! the heli crashed...I should not even tried.hehe![:@]

But as they say it is of humans to err, and so I am very human..(hint) hehe.. I can't complaint really, others had worst time. - I met a guy at a local hobby shop that was saying "This is very hard, this is hard, very hard...." and he crashed a heli on RealFlight G3.5 like 10 times in 5 minutes.... when I asked him how long he has been at this hobby he said ..... "A year and a half, why?" <---- Damn! I've been at this three months and I can hover a heli in real life, and this guy a year and a half and still he said he's afraid of flying his brand new Raptor 30 or whatever he said his newest one was.....for being afraid of breaking it!

What's the fun of having a heli in front of you on top of a cabinet if you are afraid of flying it and break it? Then find another hobby, so I guess...hehehe.

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I ordered Realflight G3.5, so now I have something to practice on while waiting for parts

I have had a G3 sim for several months now and it was instrumental in my being able to hover the Falcon right out of the box . I just played around with some of the settings the other night and made it more like the Falcon 3D . I took the Dominion3D copter and painted the canopy red then changed things like weight , selected electric motor , no clutch , turned off the smoke and all that to make it simulate the falcon pretty darn close . There is still a muffler hanging off the side but it flys like the little Falcon better than the other helis in G3 it seems . Fun stuff

I use the Easton 2212 arrow shaft in mine and it fits better than the 2213 I tried , not sure what's up there with others having luck with the 13's . You can also pick up used arrows at your local archery/hunting store for about 2 bucks each sometimes

Concerning the gear snapping off the carbon shaft for the tail rotor make sure when you make your own boom that the bearings are as close to the ends of the boom and gear as possible . Don't leave enough room between the bearing and the little white gears for the shaft to flex . The gear I had snap the other day was due to this as I looked more closely . I have only had the one gear snap off and the bearing was mounted about an 1/8 inch recessed into the boom .

This is the Easton 2212 arrow shaft and bearings installed that I have had great success with ..notice the bearings are almost flush with the boom end .
Sorry to ask, but where do I buy those damn arrows? Someone said at a hunters store, what kind of store is that? Can you give me a store name? I just ordered a new tail boom for my almost new (less than a month) Falcon 3D and the damn boom costs $13 dollars, but if I can make one with one of those arrows and be less expensive, the hell with the factory boom then... and probably that arrow would last longer than the stock boom. Well, mine was working OK it just got smashed by the main rotor blades like 2-3 times and it started to look real bad, even when I took the CF shaft out, I noticed right where the boom was smacked that the CF rod was thinner, of course do to the friction with the inner side of the tail boom that was already smacked to the inside.. Sooner or later that CF shaft would have break at that point anyway being thinner and more fragile right there.

Again, what kind of store sell those arrows? Can you tell me a store name?

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Same here, I have been in this hobby for almost a year and I've been fixing more than flying my helis and today I'm only 13.
I have a Lama V3, a Walkera Dragonfly 4, and a Falcon 3D and I've been ordering parts, fixing, and flying my helis all by myself.
I got tired of ordering parts and waiting for them all the time, so about 2 weeks ago I ordered Realflight G3.5, so now I have something to practice on while waiting for parts and for good whether because I live on a mountain and it's always sunny, but the average amount of wind everyday is 10-15 mph.
The wind won't be a problem soon because I'm going to buy a Nitro Sceadu Evo 50 helicopter in about a month.
Good for you if today you're 13, then Happy Birthday!
And good choice on the RealFlight G3.5, I have it too since a month or so ago, and since I have that simulator and a Blade CX2 that I purchased much before, I gained the dexterity and confidence to be able to hover and/or fly helis. The Blade CX2 made a big difference to me, and RealFlight G3.5 a big help.

However, as I keep on saying, the fact that we practice on RealFlight G3.5 doesn't necessarily means that when we fly the real thing at the park or field it won't crash, because it will, and it will be painful, because on the simulator you can crash all you want, but in real life you crash, you pay $$$ on parts...that's a fact...hehe.

Anyway, you've been at this a year, so you have probably alot more practice than I do of course. However, in only three months I've been at this, have spent too much, and got not one but four helis....too many for so little time, and it is been too much on my budget.

I got a Walkera 22E (which I am about to take all apart in pieces, pure crap), an E-flite Blade CX2, a Heli-Max Axe CP, and an Art-Tech Falcon 3D... other than that, my very first one which I still have was a Fly Dragonfly 2-channel piece of junk that I regret I paid $40 for it on eBay, but I bought it without seen it in person and knowing anything at all about these R/C helis. - One of those things we "fall in love" with in life, get it, and then just to find out it was a royal piece of crap. - And the other one (yeah one more) is a tiny look-alike of a PicooZ micro heli that was good for a few days and I flew it all over the house until it broke a plastic shaft on the main rotor, it lasted 3-4 days, but it was fun, I still have it here in front of me on top of the computer as an ornamental item, looks cute...hehe.

Right now I'm waiting for the parts I ordered for my Falcon 3D, but here you order parts and get them in three days, so it's not too bad, and I don't have to wait for the parts to come from Hong Kong nor China...even though the Falcon *is* made in the continental China, but Hobby-Lobby is a distributor in the U.S., I get my parts from them. This is the first time I order parts for the Falcon 3D from them, not bad, I crashed it many times in less than a month but fixed it myself... mostly bent flybar, bent main shaft, smacked tail boom, things that I could fix myself or wait until they are completely broken...even the canopy looked like it went to the Vietnam war, I ordered a new one too...$2.60 for the canopy you can't beat that price, most inexpensive canopy I've seen so far.

Ah, ok you live in the mountains and it's sunny there, but that doesn't mean that there is no wind. The fact that it's sunny it has nothing to do with NO wind. - I live in the most sunniest state in the U.S, Florida... the "Sunshine State" [8D] and it is all flat, but we got NO mountains nor valleys of course at all here, not even a little hill, it is very sunny always, yet there is alot of wind here because the city where I live is close to the beach, and as yourself we got *always* 10-15 MPH, so I have to wait for "calm" days, which is like almost waiting for the Moon to dissapear.....hahahaa, nearly impossible, that has been my big problem on advancing on this hobby. [:@]

Regards...shalom
Thanks, but I meant that I'm 13 years old. My birthday was a few months ago.
Anyways, since it's really windy here where I live, I thought it would be good to set the wind to 10-15 mph on Realflight G3.5 so I can get a little used to flying in the wind.

I am also waiting for parts right now. I ordered the Tail Gear Box from Ka-Planes, but since I live in Israel, I'm gonna have to wait 2 weeks for the parts to arrive.
I used to live in Atlanta, Georgia where it was calm and I would only have to wait 3 days for parts to arrive, but I moved to Israel a year ago after living in Atlanta for my whole life.
So I guess it's gonna be a while until I get to fly my Falcon again.
Well, if you read your message again it said "....I am 13 today", so I assumed *today* was your birthday.

Ah! No wonder you speak(write) English so well, I was in another message about to mention that for being an Israeli you spoke English perfect, but now I see you're more American than I am..hehe. - Yeah man wind is a hassle, I live in Florida near the East coast and I pray for a day in "calm", and always wondered about those wonderful videos where I saw people flying helis so nicely without any trouble live!....well, obviously in a very calm place with either NO wind or very little wind all the time, that would be a blessing for me, and you bet in these last 3 months I've been an expert by now...but the damn wind has made my learning curve very very slow, against my wish, nothing I can do about it.

True, RealFlight G3.5 has helped me alot also, and as yourself I sometimes set it to 10+ MPH and try fly that way, people that connect to my server (I run it multiplayer almost everyday) complain about the wind, and I keep on telling them that anyone can fly a helicopter with NO wind, that the good pilot is the one that can fly it even with wind, so besides that I need to practice that way, and if they don't like it....though, too bad, leave..hehe.

Man what a big jump from Atlanta to Israel, how did you end up there? Either you're a religious misioner, or your relatives are Jewish, either way the context is out of the subject of this thread, sorry to mention it.

So we both are waiting for parts, I ordered mine from Hobby-Lobby.com the place where I bought my Falcon 3D, ...where I actually got it for a good price, it was on sale for $279 plus I applied a $25 bonus discount there for buying more than $150....it came down to be $254 plus $8 S/H and I had it at home in three days.

I was seriously thinking about getting a belt-driven conversion kit, but that thing costs me at least $65, so I just ordered the parts I needed to fix the Falcon 3D, since it's the first time I need parts and it's less than a month old what the heck...maybe I was acting too fast, I will give it more chance and myself too....and if this thing of breaking the tail rotor shaft happens again, I will just make my own tail rotor as that guy did, and go that way.... last time I bought a CF rod like that it was like $4 or $5 bucks and it was like 40" inches long or so, that should be enough for like 2 or 3 shafts if not more....cheaper that way, so it's more fun when I do things myself than just buying them already made [&:]

These days we had alot of calm days, but before the last weeks we had alot of very windy days.....It's true as they say after the storm the calm comes or something like that....because I finally saw calm days, best time I had was one morning very early like at 6:30 AM at sunrise the WX in my city was reported as "calm" I got all ready and took my heli to the park and I had the fun of my hobby life so far.... nothing spectacular, but I hovered the Falcon 3D at like 30-35 feet, up and down, left and right.... here and there, without breaking anything or crashing for at least 10-12 minutes until I ran out of battery..... that same morning I went back there at around 10 AM, the WX was already different and there was some wind......baaaaaaaaaang! the heli crashed...I should not even tried.hehe![:@]

But as they say it is of humans to err, and so I am very human..(hint) hehe.. I can't complaint really, others had worst time. - I met a guy at a local hobby shop that was saying "This is very hard, this is hard, very hard...." and he crashed a heli on RealFlight G3.5 like 10 times in 5 minutes.... when I asked him how long he has been at this hobby he said ..... "A year and a half, why?" <---- Damn! I've been at this three months and I can hover a heli in real life, and this guy a year and a half and still he said he's afraid of flying his brand new Raptor 30 or whatever he said his newest one was.....for being afraid of breaking it!

What's the fun of having a heli in front of you on top of a cabinet if you are afraid of flying it and break it? Then find another hobby, so I guess...hehehe.

Regards
About my move to Israel, most of my relatives live there and thats why I moved.
Anyways, every time I take my Falcon out to fly it's not that windy, but when I start to spin up the rotor blades, a gust of wind suddenly comes by. It seems like I'm controlling the throttle and the wind at the same time, so there are basically no calm days at all where I live. I guess I'll just have to get used to it, but like I said in the other post, I'm going to get a Nitro powered Sceadu Evo 50 soon, so the wind won't be a problem.
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About my move to Israel, most of my relatives live there and thats why I moved.
Anyways, every time I take my Falcon out to fly it's not that windy, but when I start to spin up the rotor blades, a gust of wind suddenly comes by. It seems like I'm controlling the throttle and the wind at the same time, so there are basically no calm days at all where I live. I guess I'll just have to get used to it, but like I said in the other post, I'm going to get a Nitro powered Sceadu Evo 50 soon, so the wind won't be a problem.
(I started a new "quote" because you quote what I said, I quote you, and this was getting too long and annoying....)

Ok, on your move to Israel, nice, at least you are where your ancestors are from, I think that was a good move.

As for you controllng the wind, well... as you probably know by now, there is something called the "ground effect", that most of people consider up to 4' feet or so off the ground... When you spin your heli, the heli itself is pushing air down at a very strong speed, so that acts back against the heli itself, .... once you pass the 4' feet threshold and above, the ground effect is less so it should be more stable. - I'm just guessing that's what you're talking about, unless you mentioned it as a joke. But mostly what you describe is the ground effect, try to hover above ground more than 4' feet and it should be more stable.

My problem is real wind, I mean more than 10+ MPH all the time, you can see the trees moving all the time real bad, and some days even more like 20-25 MPH like the past weeks. So that way it's not easy for anyone in the learning curve to do much progress without crashing....and crashing....and more crashing.... as we both have been..hehe, so I know what you mean when you spoke of wind.

Do they have hobby shop stores there where you live?
Have you noticed that we can use some parts from other helis on the Falcon 3D? Like the Raptor G3, or the Shogun V1/V2 ? So if you got hobby shop stores and they have parts from these other helis chances are you might be able to use them


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Well, did you read the links I give to you? I'll bet you don't

In order to accomodate the front gear on 3mm shaft just drill that gear with something like 2.97mm and put it on JBWeld.
The other end of the rod - just make a notch on the rod with exacto knife and rear gear will be happy.

I think teflon gears are ok... just make sure that mesh main gear/tail drive shaft gear is not too tight and not too loose.
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Well, I read first then I write if I think it may help.
I mention sim at my post #23 and you told that you have one at post #25.
Well, anyway, I'm glad you have one...

I'm not sure about you but sim helped me to learn orientations. At the very beginning I try to fly Falcon (with training gears on) and it flew great... about 10 sec... Then 3 day of downtime. I repeated the experiment next time and Falcon few about 30 sec.
Well, then I did sim for a week learning to hover and third flight was a success... I didn't crash that time (I did it next flight). Up to date I have about 140 flights on Falcon. I tell you that sim did reduce my crash rate but hey every body is different.


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For the bad weather I would suggest to get yourself a sim. You can fly it every time till waiting for spare part to arrive or good weather.
Another person that don't read.
Didn't you read already I said here that I have RealFlight G3.5? Did you? I don't think you did.
Anyway, a flight simulator will not prevent that the wind out there is windy, nor it will prevent that you don't crash. - Get real. The fact that one does very well on a flight simulator, it does NOT mean that you will not crash in real time, period.

Sure, it helps alot, and it has helped me alot (more helped me my Blade CX2 in real time), but one thing is crashing a virtual helicopter on a computer screen 100 times in a day, than going to the park or field and crash one time in 5 minutes.

Driving a car on a PC, doesn't necessarily means you won't go out and drive and kill someone with your car. It helps, but it is not the real thing.

Anything else? French fries with that? [>:]

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Easton Arrows shafts can be found in Bass Pro Shop, Walmart, USA Hunting etc.
I found one through Yellow book. I went to YB website and did search for hunting stores in my area and then call them asking for Easton Arrow shaft 2213 and if they can sell one or two but not a dozen.
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About my move to Israel, most of my relatives live there and thats why I moved.
Anyways, every time I take my Falcon out to fly it's not that windy, but when I start to spin up the rotor blades, a gust of wind suddenly comes by. It seems like I'm controlling the throttle and the wind at the same time, so there are basically no calm days at all where I live. I guess I'll just have to get used to it, but like I said in the other post, I'm going to get a Nitro powered Sceadu Evo 50 soon, so the wind won't be a problem.
(I started a new "quote" because you quote what I said, I quote you, and this was getting too long and annoying....)

Ok, on your move to Israel, nice, at least you are where your ancestors are from, I think that was a good move.

As for you controllng the wind, well... as you probably know by now, there is something called the "ground effect", that most of people consider up to 4' feet or so off the ground... When you spin your heli, the heli itself is pushing air down at a very strong speed, so that acts back against the heli itself, .... once you pass the 4' feet threshold and above, the ground effect is less so it should be more stable. - I'm just guessing that's what you're talking about, unless you mentioned it as a joke. But mostly what you describe is the ground effect, try to hover above ground more than 4' feet and it should be more stable.

My problem is real wind, I mean more than 10+ MPH all the time, you can see the trees moving all the time real bad, and some days even more like 20-25 MPH like the past weeks. So that way it's not easy for anyone in the learning curve to do much progress without crashing....and crashing....and more crashing.... as we both have been..hehe, so I know what you mean when you spoke of wind.

Do they have hobby shop stores there where you live?
Have you noticed that we can use some parts from other helis on the Falcon 3D? Like the Raptor G3, or the Shogun V1/V2 ? So if you got hobby shop stores and they have parts from these other helis chances are you might be able to use them


Regards
About the ground effect, I try to hover higher than 4 feet to get rid of the ground effect, but when I do hover higher than 4 feet, the wind makes my Falcon go crazy up and down and it's hard to control. I don't want to fly indoors because if I do, I have very little space and I have to stay at the same spot in order not to hit something.

Actually there are many Hobby Shops where I live (a lot of people in Israel are in to this hobby). The closest hobby shop to my house is about a 30 minute drive away, but they only have parts for the Honey Bee King, the Lama V3, and much bigger Nitro helis. So I can't get parts for my Falcon 3D in my area.
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Well, did you read the links I give to you? I'll bet you don't
NO, I didn't, but now that you explained it I understand, and I don't have to look...hehe

In order to accomodate the front gear on 3mm shaft just drill that gear with something like 2.97mm and put it on JBWeld.
Got it, so you just drill the hole on the gear to make it round. Damn, 2.97 mm? That's very accurate, where do you get a bit 2.97 mm and not 3 mm? - I have some Locktite 5-minute Epoxy, that should be the same as your JBWeld which is epoxy anyway.

The other end of the rod - just make a notch on the rod with exacto knife and rear gear will be happy.
Okay, I will do that next time. For the time being I ordered the parts from Hobby-Lobby.com next time this ever happens again I'll do it this other way which should last longer....and if the thing breaks again, I'll switch to belt-driven buying me the conversion kit I was about to buy anyway.

I think teflon gears are ok... just make sure that mesh main gear/tail drive shaft gear is not too tight and not too loose.
Well, when I said Teflon, it was because the plastic white gear on the Falcon 3D looks made of Teflon anyway. I would actually prefer that it was metallic, bronze or some like that, but I would guess that would make the main rotor gear break teeth sooner, being plastic the softer part. I think it's the Shogun heli that has that gear made of metal, but I'm not sure, I am only based on the picture I saw on the web of the replacement part of a Shogun tail shaft. I was going to order the Shogun tail shaft, someone said the boom on the Shogun is shorter than the Falcon 3D, which after all isn't a big deal, because I would just cut the Falcon 3D boom and make it shorter.....but again, I already ordered the Falcon 3D parts two days ago.

Okay, thanks....regards
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Well, I read first then I write if I think it may help.
I mention sim at my post #23 and you told that you have one at post #25.
Well, anyway, I'm glad you have one...
Yes, I got RealFlight G3.5 a month or so ago, and as yourself, it has helped me alot too.

I'm not sure about you but sim helped me to learn orientations. At the very beginning I try to fly Falcon (with training gears on) and it flew great... about 10 sec... Then 3 day of downtime. I repeated the experiment next time and Falcon few about 30 sec.
Well, then I did sim for a week learning to hover and third flight was a success... I didn't crash that time (I did it next flight). Up to date I have about 140 flights on Falcon. I tell you that sim did reduce my crash rate but hey every body is different.
First time I tried a flight simulator, I could not even take off on a plane and landing was a tragedy, could never do it...hehe! Later on after dealing with helis (on the sim and real life), planes seemed to be very easy to do, to the point that not only I was able to take off, but to successfully land. - On the helis arena, samething, I could not hold a hover for more than 15 seconds without crashing the blades on the ground (funny, exactly same thing happened to me the very first time I tried a real heli IRL it was my Walkera 22E I broke the blades on the ground 30 seconds I spun it, without even ever taking off the ground).... later on when I learned how to properly hover, I started to try to hover nose in, with the nose pointing to me...which is even harder... I managed to do that too..... I don't have the original controller that comes with RealFlight G3.5, so I don't have that "3D" or "Idle Up" switch (or any switch) on my controller.....but somehow I managed to try inverted flight even without those switches..... and in general little by little RealFlight G3.5 definetely has helped me alot as yourself and everyone else that has it.

True, the program has its merit, I just find it a rip-off and overpriced.[:@]

I don't know how you or people count their number of flights, I haven't done that yet, or maybe I don't care.....I've been at this hobby since February 2007 or so, but with so much wind outside, I can't say that I had so many flights, because it has been impossible to me due to the strong wind always. - But since I have the Falcon 3D, it has been a totally different story, and for the first time I was able to really see a positive light on my path.... I hovered and even kinda-flew the Falcon 3D many times at one of the many local parks in my city, which is only 2 miles away from home. - I have no complains about the Falcon 3D, I love this heli and so far it's my best one (the other three are Walkera 22E, Blade CX2, and Axe CP) and what has made the big difference is precisely the more tail authority with the shaft-driven mechanism (or it could have been belt-driven same thing), because too late I realized that I wasn't the problem, that I knew I could do it, that this couldn't be so hard to do!!!! If others do, I can do it too. So, the main difference to me is, those other helis with tail motors are pure s***t and &^%$#@#! if I would have known this 3 months ago, I would have not spent probably (lost count) around $600-$650 on helis and replacement parts so far, and would have gone directly to a T-Rex 450 or something similar with that amount of money. - Now I wish I could sell at least my Axe CP to recover some money and keep going ahead, because this hobby has been painful on my pocket, and without a job or any income it isn't easy....but it's a challenge, and it's fun... some days a frustration, another day fun, and so on..everyone is in the same boat. [&:]

And...yes, the simulator has reduced my crashes, which doesn't mean I don't crash anymore, I do, and you do too, and everyone does crash. - RealFlight G3.5 and the E-flite Blade CX2 coaxial heli made a big difference in my learning curve....and ultimately the Falcon 3D has been *the* big difference. - It's like now we can hover or fly, without having the heli wandering all over, and having the tail more stable, it's like one less thing you have to control so much...that's a big difference right there.

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Easton Arrows shafts can be found in Bass Pro Shop, Walmart, USA Hunting etc.
I found one through Yellow book. I went to YB website and did search for hunting stores in my area and then call them asking for Easton Arrow shaft 2213 and if they can sell one or two but not a dozen.
I don't know the other stores you mentioned, but I do have two Walmart in my city, and I remember seen the sports area within the store, I might go there and see if they sell these arrows. - One more question, these arrows will replace the boom, right? Because now I'm confused if it's the boom or the tail shaft that these arrow replace.

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About the ground effect, I try to hover higher than 4 feet to get rid of the ground effect, but when I do hover higher than 4 feet, the wind makes my Falcon go crazy up and down and it's hard to control. I don't want to fly indoors because if I do, I have very little space and I have to stay at the same spot in order not to hit something.
Okay then you knew about the ground effect. Yes, I know what you mean by the wind, same thing has been difficult to me to hover or fly anything without crashing, because when least you expect it, there is a gut of wind...bang! to the ground we go, easy like that. As for inside, I have the same exact problem, inside home the only thing I can fly is my Blade CX2, and in a very limited area in the living room and even moving the furniture around, then I have maybe like 5' X 6' feet and that's all....... and the Falcon 3D inside, forget it, to me that would be like trying to fly a Boeing 747 in the living room....this heli is way too strong and powerful to even hover at the living room.... at least I don't have space on mine for such a thing, so my only way is either the patio (limited too), the frontyard (a bit bigger) or the park...alot much bigger like 500' X 600' feet or so.

Actually there are many Hobby Shops where I live (a lot of people in Israel are in to this hobby) . The closest hobby shop to my house is about a 30 minute drive away, but they only have parts for the Honey Bee King, the Lama V3, and much bigger Nitro helis. So I can't get parts for my Falcon 3D in my area.
Good for you! Same here, I have like 3-4 hobby shops right in my city, within a range of 5 miles or less, plus two more in nearby cities, which I haven't visited yet. Ok then when you move to that nitro heli you said you were going to buy you'll have the parts right there. Just make sure you buy one that your local hobby shops support, so when you got broken parts you have them right there. - Yeah, same here, even though Hobby-Lobby.com is in the U.S., I have to wait 3-4 days to get the parts, they are in Tennessee, if I remember well and I I'm in Florida, but it's certainly much less than waiting 2 weeks as you have to. Oh well, at least you get the parts, and then you have fun again. If I was you, when something breaks, I would order not one but two of that part, so next time it breaks again you'll have it right there without having to wait 2 weeks ago....and in the meantime order that same part again while you're using the one on the heli now... that way your waiting time for parts will be less painful.

I don't mind waiting 3-4 days to get the parts, I'm in no rush. [&:]
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Actually there are many Hobby Shops where I live (a lot of people in Israel are in to this hobby) . The closest hobby shop to my house is about a 30 minute drive away, but they only have parts for the Honey Bee King, the Lama V3, and much bigger Nitro helis. So I can't get parts for my Falcon 3D in my area.
Good for you! Same here, I have like 3-4 hobby shops right in my city, within a range of 5 miles or less, plus two more in nearby cities, which I haven't visited yet. Ok then when you move to that nitro heli you said you were going to buy you'll have the parts right there. Just make sure you buy one that your local hobby shops support, so when you got broken parts you have them right there. - Yeah, same here, even though Hobby-Lobby.com is in the U.S., I have to wait 3-4 days to get the parts, they are in Tennessee, if I remember well and I I'm in Florida, but it's certainly much less than waiting 2 weeks as you have to. Oh well, at least you get the parts, and then you have fun again. If I was you, when something breaks, I would order not one but two of that part, so next time it breaks again you'll have it right there without having to wait 2 weeks ago....and in the meantime order that same part again while you're using the one on the heli now... that way your waiting time for parts will be less painful.

I don't mind waiting 3-4 days to get the parts, I'm in no rush. [&:]
Actually, the Nitro Heli I'm going to buy is from my Hobby Shop, so parts and support won't be a problem at all.
Also, I order 3 of the same part every time it breaks. I did the same thing with the part I ordered a little while ago.
I also ordered about 10 different parts that are known to break often, so I guess I won't be waiting for parts anymore.
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Easton Arrows shafts can be found in Bass Pro Shop, Walmart, USA Hunting etc.
I found one through Yellow book. I went to YB website and did search for hunting stores in my area and then call them asking for Easton Arrow shaft 2213 and if they can sell one or two but not a dozen.
I don't know the other stores you mentioned, but I do have two Walmart in my city, and I remember seen the sports area within the store, I might go there and see if they sell these arrows. - One more question, these arrows will replace the boom, right? Because now I'm confused if it's the boom or the tail shaft that these arrow replace.

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Wal-Mart carries the arrow shafts but it is a seasonal item for them so they may not keep in stock all year long . Just check around for a Archery shop in your area if they don't . I use a copper tubing cutter from Home Depot to make the cuts easily but you can use a hacksaw as well .

The arrow shafts replace the boom on the heli . I've posted pics several times of the 2212's that I use . I tried two different 2213's and the inside diameter was just a hair to big and allowed the bearing to move around plus you had to really push the tail fin mounts onto it because of the outside diameter as well .. I could dimple the shaft to hold the bearing in place but getting it perfectly centered was a problem . I wish someone would post a good pick of the bearing resting in one of the 2213's mentioned to compare because the 2212 fits like a dream and holds the bearings firmly...


BTW , my wife actually had to giggle today for one of my mishaps . I haven't crashed or landed hard in many flights now and I am starting to get rather bored with hovering until the battery drains . Yesterday I decided what the heck and started fairly aggressive forward flight and piroing it at the treeline and bringing it back and back again . I only have a 50X50 backyard with trees on two sides and powerlines the other two so I have been hesitant to do anything other than just moving it around at hover . The wind caught it just as I piroed it around once and it flew through the edge of a large tree , blades sending leaves and twigs flying sending the heli into a tailspin , I thought was surely its demise . I actually chopped throttle about 10 feet from the side street that runs along the side of the treeline sending it to the ground . The only thing broken was the nose of the canopy and a cracked skid . Ducktape and some CA glue and it hovered fine 10 minutes later . Wife said I must be getting better if I could crash like that
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Wal-Mart carries the arrow shafts but it is a seasonal item for them so they may not keep in stock all year long . Just check around for a Archery shop in your area if they don't . I use a copper tubing cutter from Home Depot to make the cuts easily but you can use a hacksaw as well .
Ok thanks. I'll check on Walmart, and if they don't have them will look on the web or the local yellow book for any archery shop.

The arrow shafts replace the boom on the heli .
This is what I initially understood, but wasn't sure, so now I'm sure it replaces the tail boom, and I'm sure I can replace the tail shft with a 3 mm CF rod from one of the local hobby shops, I know they carry them, I actually bought a very long CF 3 mm rod once and made my own training kit with the same rod, cut it in a half and put four ping-pong balls on the ends, and made me yet one more training kit for the Axe CP I think it was, it's been there fine since then. - Anyway, next time the tail boom gets smashed I'll try find these 2212 arrows, thanks again.

I've posted pics several times of the 2212's that I use .
Yes, I know, and I've seen your pictures too, and yes some guys talk about the 2213, some about the 2212, but seems the majority that are happy speak of the 2212's.

Wife said I must be getting better if I could crash like that
And I have to agree with her, because after all that you did, and didn't break much, you're definetely getting better quality crashes....hahahaha..less damage.

I one day crashed my Falcon 3D at the park so badly, that when I went to see the damage I though it was the end of it, it must have fell from 30-40 feet or so all the day in an angle like 45' degrees....when I looked at it, the canopy was all destroyed in the front, the flybar looked like a "Z", and when I got home I found out the main rotor shaft was bent.... I fixed the canopy with Scotch tape and CA, the flybar I straightened it by hands, and the main rotor shaft...I had to take the entire rotor head apart, take the shaft out....put it on a flat metal surface, and tap it a few times with a hammer....voila!...when I put it back it was better than ever...I must have bent it a bit the very first day I tried the Falcon 3D, because I remember the first day I broke the wooden blades (which I don't like)....hahahaha...I got the main rotor shaft bent three times already in a month, that's the only thing I don't like on the Falcon 3D, the hollow main rotor shaft, and the shaft-driven (just because the shaft breaks, but if it lasts this time I fix it, I won't mind that it's shaft-driven) No big deal, as long as I can fix something, I would not pay anyone to do what I can do myself. [:-]

I remember speaking once with a guy at a local hobby shop, the owner was fixing this guy's T-Rex 450, the guy told me that he had "three helis", I said which ones are they? He said NO, I have only this T-Rex 450, but with the money $$$ I have paid to fix it so many times, I could have bought two more!!!!.......Hahahahaha, that was cute![&:]

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