What the hell is wrong with the modeling community these days??????
10-14-2013 | 08:32 PM
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Great rant Jeremy.
I feel your pain, but like the other guys are saying, fly more, do less of this social network. Im staying away as much as possible, this is the first time I stop to read a thread the other ones are totally non event for me.
Next time I post again will be because Im building again, dude forget this place and get out more often, whatever you decide to do never sell you toys, I know.
I feel your pain, but like the other guys are saying, fly more, do less of this social network. Im staying away as much as possible, this is the first time I stop to read a thread the other ones are totally non event for me.
Next time I post again will be because Im building again, dude forget this place and get out more often, whatever you decide to do never sell you toys, I know.
10-14-2013 | 08:54 PM
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Or only if your going to to sell them for more toys 
I almost let this place ruin my jet experience, its hard not to get sucked in. I just had to remind myself of what I always told people over the years, its a hobby and if its not fun then don't do it. I started researching starting my own site for builds, something that is just for builders and to help folks.
I almost let this place ruin my jet experience, its hard not to get sucked in. I just had to remind myself of what I always told people over the years, its a hobby and if its not fun then don't do it. I started researching starting my own site for builds, something that is just for builders and to help folks.
10-14-2013 | 09:35 PM
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What the hell is wrong with the modeling community these days??????
My experience is that the issues Jeremy raises are pretty much confined to the online community. Where I live, there are very very few RCU members, and we don’t seem to have anything like the dramas played out here.. (Or perhaps it’s because we are a bit more relaxed).
Anyhow, RCU, like most on line forums, attracts a number of people that can best be described as mischievous. (read Trolls). Whenever a contentious issue is raised, such as the FEJ threads, these people will argue the discussion down to a muck pile. When someone posts in these threads, no matter the wisdom, experience, or absolute truth they might be expressing, someone else will ridicule it.
Of course it doesn’t help that theses contentious threads make great reading, and are amongst the most popular discussions here. RCU management must love it when a new FEJ thread is started. Humans just seem to be drawn to drama and conflict, we just can’t resist this kind of story.
The threads can be VERY entertaining. There are Heros and Villians, plots and agendas, truths and lies. New chapters appear every so often along with new characters who start dialogues and conflicts with the established players. Some former protagonists have become opponents and switched camps. It really does unfold like a novel.
Of course I realise that real people have lost real money. Real jobs and real reputations are at stake.. But as an outside observer, it is great entertainment.
The trick of course, is not to get drawn into it all.
To answer Jeremys question. Most modellers that I know view RCU as a bunch of key board warriors who have little better to do than argue for arguments sake. They continue to pursue the hobby in much the same fashion it was 30 years ago. Happy in what they do, and happy to assist anyone else who shares this passion.
I see RCU a bit differently, I have learned a lot here, and am extremely grateful for the exchange of wisdom that is freely offered by most of the members. BUT when the muck starts to fly, I become strictly an observer.
It’s not so bad down at the field..
Roger
My experience is that the issues Jeremy raises are pretty much confined to the online community. Where I live, there are very very few RCU members, and we don’t seem to have anything like the dramas played out here.. (Or perhaps it’s because we are a bit more relaxed).
Anyhow, RCU, like most on line forums, attracts a number of people that can best be described as mischievous. (read Trolls). Whenever a contentious issue is raised, such as the FEJ threads, these people will argue the discussion down to a muck pile. When someone posts in these threads, no matter the wisdom, experience, or absolute truth they might be expressing, someone else will ridicule it.
Of course it doesn’t help that theses contentious threads make great reading, and are amongst the most popular discussions here. RCU management must love it when a new FEJ thread is started. Humans just seem to be drawn to drama and conflict, we just can’t resist this kind of story.
The threads can be VERY entertaining. There are Heros and Villians, plots and agendas, truths and lies. New chapters appear every so often along with new characters who start dialogues and conflicts with the established players. Some former protagonists have become opponents and switched camps. It really does unfold like a novel.
Of course I realise that real people have lost real money. Real jobs and real reputations are at stake.. But as an outside observer, it is great entertainment.
The trick of course, is not to get drawn into it all.
To answer Jeremys question. Most modellers that I know view RCU as a bunch of key board warriors who have little better to do than argue for arguments sake. They continue to pursue the hobby in much the same fashion it was 30 years ago. Happy in what they do, and happy to assist anyone else who shares this passion.
I see RCU a bit differently, I have learned a lot here, and am extremely grateful for the exchange of wisdom that is freely offered by most of the members. BUT when the muck starts to fly, I become strictly an observer.
It’s not so bad down at the field..
Roger
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10-15-2013 | 01:41 AM
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What the hell is wrong with the modeling community these days??????
My experience is that the issues Jeremy raises are pretty much confined to the online community. Where I live, there are very very few RCU members, and we don’t seem to have anything like the dramas played out here.. (Or perhaps it’s because we are a bit more relaxed).
Anyhow, RCU, like most on line forums, attracts a number of people that can best be described as mischievous. (read Trolls). Whenever a contentious issue is raised, such as the FEJ threads, these people will argue the discussion down to a muck pile. When someone posts in these threads, no matter the wisdom, experience, or absolute truth they might be expressing, someone else will ridicule it.
Of course it doesn’t help that theses contentious threads make great reading, and are amongst the most popular discussions here. RCU management must love it when a new FEJ thread is started. Humans just seem to be drawn to drama and conflict, we just can’t resist this kind of story.
The threads can be VERY entertaining. There are Heros and Villians, plots and agendas, truths and lies. New chapters appear every so often along with new characters who start dialogues and conflicts with the established players. Some former protagonists have become opponents and switched camps. It really does unfold like a novel.
Of course I realise that real people have lost real money. Real jobs and real reputations are at stake.. But as an outside observer, it is great entertainment.
The trick of course, is not to get drawn into it all.
To answer Jeremys question. Most modellers that I know view RCU as a bunch of key board warriors who have little better to do than argue for arguments sake. They continue to pursue the hobby in much the same fashion it was 30 years ago. Happy in what they do, and happy to assist anyone else who shares this passion.
I see RCU a bit differently, I have learned a lot here, and am extremely grateful for the exchange of wisdom that is freely offered by most of the members. BUT when the muck starts to fly, I become strictly an observer.
It’s not so bad down at the field..
Roger
My experience is that the issues Jeremy raises are pretty much confined to the online community. Where I live, there are very very few RCU members, and we don’t seem to have anything like the dramas played out here.. (Or perhaps it’s because we are a bit more relaxed).
Anyhow, RCU, like most on line forums, attracts a number of people that can best be described as mischievous. (read Trolls). Whenever a contentious issue is raised, such as the FEJ threads, these people will argue the discussion down to a muck pile. When someone posts in these threads, no matter the wisdom, experience, or absolute truth they might be expressing, someone else will ridicule it.
Of course it doesn’t help that theses contentious threads make great reading, and are amongst the most popular discussions here. RCU management must love it when a new FEJ thread is started. Humans just seem to be drawn to drama and conflict, we just can’t resist this kind of story.
The threads can be VERY entertaining. There are Heros and Villians, plots and agendas, truths and lies. New chapters appear every so often along with new characters who start dialogues and conflicts with the established players. Some former protagonists have become opponents and switched camps. It really does unfold like a novel.
Of course I realise that real people have lost real money. Real jobs and real reputations are at stake.. But as an outside observer, it is great entertainment.
The trick of course, is not to get drawn into it all.
To answer Jeremys question. Most modellers that I know view RCU as a bunch of key board warriors who have little better to do than argue for arguments sake. They continue to pursue the hobby in much the same fashion it was 30 years ago. Happy in what they do, and happy to assist anyone else who shares this passion.
I see RCU a bit differently, I have learned a lot here, and am extremely grateful for the exchange of wisdom that is freely offered by most of the members. BUT when the muck starts to fly, I become strictly an observer.
It’s not so bad down at the field..
Roger
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10-15-2013 | 02:47 AM
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Let's see, 4620 posts and the time it takes to read all the latest soap opera crap written here. Let's say for argument sake that takes 20 to 30 minutes of ones time per visit. Hmmmm, using my trusty cell phone calculator, that's about 92,400 minutes OR ONE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED FORTY HOURS !!!!!!! of sitting on ones ass typing behind a keyboard. (using the 20 minutes rather that probably the actual 30 or even 40 or maybe SIXTY minutes per visit)
No wonder one is frustrated because ONE IS SITTING ON THEIR ASS BEHIND A MONITOR RANTING ABOUT CYBER SOAP OPERA CRAP RATHER THAN BEING AT THE FIELD ENGAGING IN ACTUAL SOCIAL INTERACTION WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS WONDERFUL HOBBY!
It's almost sun up in Dallas. Even though it's going to rain, I'll hit the hobby shop, give a few flying buddies a shout, go have coffee and talk about the latest and greatest thing to hit the hobby. My ass is flat from reading all that 17 page wah wah post so I need to get off the computer now.
No wonder one is frustrated because ONE IS SITTING ON THEIR ASS BEHIND A MONITOR RANTING ABOUT CYBER SOAP OPERA CRAP RATHER THAN BEING AT THE FIELD ENGAGING IN ACTUAL SOCIAL INTERACTION WITH OTHER MEMBERS OF THIS WONDERFUL HOBBY!
It's almost sun up in Dallas. Even though it's going to rain, I'll hit the hobby shop, give a few flying buddies a shout, go have coffee and talk about the latest and greatest thing to hit the hobby. My ass is flat from reading all that 17 page wah wah post so I need to get off the computer now.
10-15-2013 | 03:56 AM
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Screw other hobbyists... I'm in this for myself! Every once in a while I get the urge to create some dreams for the kiddos. I made this for my neighbors' grand kids.
I've been in this hobby a long time. Not as long as some but longer than most. I make my own fun. If others want to join in the reindeer games then... GREAT! Screw all the whiners and complainers and etc.! They can 'play' elsewhere. If they get in my face then look the h#ll out because I don't fool around!
I've been in this hobby a long time. Not as long as some but longer than most. I make my own fun. If others want to join in the reindeer games then... GREAT! Screw all the whiners and complainers and etc.! They can 'play' elsewhere. If they get in my face then look the h#ll out because I don't fool around!
Too bad you don't live closer.... my little girl would love one of those. (Do you have the plans?)
10-15-2013 | 04:08 AM
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Jeremy superb rant,i have been flying models 30 plus years the last 20 has been jet type models of some sort.started of with ducted fans and moved on to turbines as soon as they became reliable.my first turbine model was a hotspot with a p80,cost me about £4000 to put in the air at current rates thats probably £12000.its always amazed me that folks spend thousands on jets and dont bother to check it out properly,they just asume that because it cost thousands it has to work.i have looked at other peoples models before the first flight and voiced that I just dont think thats safe and been told BUT THATS THE WAY IT CAME so what!.i have built kits from most of the manufactures and they all need a bit of sorting some way or another.to many folks just throw money at jets and go fly them.there was a saying amongst aerobatic flyers in the 80s YOU CANT BUY ABILITY............
if a model has so much bad press then DONT BUY IT if you do expect to do a bit of fettling.If you have bought it and its as bad as they say then bite the bullet put it down to experience and BIN IT
if a model has so much bad press then DONT BUY IT if you do expect to do a bit of fettling.If you have bought it and its as bad as they say then bite the bullet put it down to experience and BIN IT
10-15-2013 | 04:12 AM
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First, I will say I'm only here because I'm extremely bored at work and ran out of stuff to read on the other forums I frequent. Second, I pretty much agree with most of your post Jeremy. This kind of crap is why I don't come on here much anymore. That and I've never undestood the tendency to say thing on the net you wouldn't say to someones face. Shows a real lack of character to me. Last point is that I also agree with other when they basically say the same thing I keep telling my daughter. Unplug and go have a life. Safe flying all.
10-15-2013 | 06:08 AM
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I have been working on a document that uses a new term (new for me): "Screen time". And it tells parents to check their kids "screen time" (and their own). Screen time is, as you guessed, the time in front of a TV, or a game, smart phone or tablet.
No computers or TV in the kids room, otherwise they will spend on average 30 hours per week of screen time. I think a lot of folks on this forum spend way too much screen time here. And it shows when they post.
This is a hobby, and if you are not having fun, you really screwed it up. Do something else. Another problem with our hobby is that (as a group) we are aging. And you have a lot that is not aging gracefully, not to mention the eventual nutcase or victim of early dementia.
Gerry
No computers or TV in the kids room, otherwise they will spend on average 30 hours per week of screen time. I think a lot of folks on this forum spend way too much screen time here. And it shows when they post.
This is a hobby, and if you are not having fun, you really screwed it up. Do something else. Another problem with our hobby is that (as a group) we are aging. And you have a lot that is not aging gracefully, not to mention the eventual nutcase or victim of early dementia.
Gerry
10-15-2013 | 06:55 AM
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For what it's worth, I have stayed in the hobby, this thread was simply my observations as to where the hobby has headed and the damage modelers are doing to it themselves. The real danger in this hobby is the lack of common sense and the "The sky is falling" attitude so many appear to be showing. I see it at the local level as well, fortunately for the most part, the people I do fly with are pretty good and remember the hobby isn't only about airplanes. I just wonder in such a sue happy finger pointing world, how much damage some of these posts may end up having to our hobby. Maybe it will be none, but it would simply be nice to see human beings exercising a little more common sense.
Oh and Discowings, I'm sorry I didn't post something more controversial for you to voice your obvious expert opinion on with yet another prolific post from you. I'll try harder next time to give you something to state as gospel truth again.........
Oh and Discowings, I'm sorry I didn't post something more controversial for you to voice your obvious expert opinion on with yet another prolific post from you. I'll try harder next time to give you something to state as gospel truth again.........
10-15-2013 | 06:57 AM
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Here's what helps me stay focused on whats inportant. http://fcmodelers.com/fcmindex.htm It's all about the relationships you build. I find the build threads are really diminishing on here and whats left for people to do is stir up controversy by starting inflaming threads that do nothing to further the hobby or good will. I am fortunate to belong to a great club where everyone is respectful of others interests in the hobby and we have a good time just hanging out and flying foamies to GS. Peace and happy flying.
10-15-2013 | 07:24 AM
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To be honest, I hate when I screw up, however, the fact of the matter is, I make mistakes, way more than I'd like to, but I'm always happy to learn from them. Even big ones that have a massive impact on my life. I don't always like the outcome, but if I learn something, at least it's not a total waste.
10-15-2013 | 07:48 AM
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What the hell is wrong with the modeling community these days??????
My experience is that the issues Jeremy raises are pretty much confined to the online community. Where I live, there are very very few RCU members, and we don’t seem to have anything like the dramas played out here.. (Or perhaps it’s because we are a bit more relaxed).
Anyhow, RCU, like most on line forums, attracts a number of people that can best be described as mischievous. (read Trolls). Whenever a contentious issue is raised, such as the FEJ threads, these people will argue the discussion down to a muck pile. When someone posts in these threads, no matter the wisdom, experience, or absolute truth they might be expressing, someone else will ridicule it.
Of course it doesn’t help that theses contentious threads make great reading, and are amongst the most popular discussions here. RCU management must love it when a new FEJ thread is started. Humans just seem to be drawn to drama and conflict, we just can’t resist this kind of story.
The threads can be VERY entertaining. There are Heros and Villians, plots and agendas, truths and lies. New chapters appear every so often along with new characters who start dialogues and conflicts with the established players. Some former protagonists have become opponents and switched camps. It really does unfold like a novel.
Of course I realise that real people have lost real money. Real jobs and real reputations are at stake.. But as an outside observer, it is great entertainment.
The trick of course, is not to get drawn into it all.
To answer Jeremys question. Most modellers that I know view RCU as a bunch of key board warriors who have little better to do than argue for arguments sake. They continue to pursue the hobby in much the same fashion it was 30 years ago. Happy in what they do, and happy to assist anyone else who shares this passion.
I see RCU a bit differently, I have learned a lot here, and am extremely grateful for the exchange of wisdom that is freely offered by most of the members. BUT when the muck starts to fly, I become strictly an observer.
It’s not so bad down at the field..
Roger
My experience is that the issues Jeremy raises are pretty much confined to the online community. Where I live, there are very very few RCU members, and we don’t seem to have anything like the dramas played out here.. (Or perhaps it’s because we are a bit more relaxed).
Anyhow, RCU, like most on line forums, attracts a number of people that can best be described as mischievous. (read Trolls). Whenever a contentious issue is raised, such as the FEJ threads, these people will argue the discussion down to a muck pile. When someone posts in these threads, no matter the wisdom, experience, or absolute truth they might be expressing, someone else will ridicule it.
Of course it doesn’t help that theses contentious threads make great reading, and are amongst the most popular discussions here. RCU management must love it when a new FEJ thread is started. Humans just seem to be drawn to drama and conflict, we just can’t resist this kind of story.
The threads can be VERY entertaining. There are Heros and Villians, plots and agendas, truths and lies. New chapters appear every so often along with new characters who start dialogues and conflicts with the established players. Some former protagonists have become opponents and switched camps. It really does unfold like a novel.
Of course I realise that real people have lost real money. Real jobs and real reputations are at stake.. But as an outside observer, it is great entertainment.
The trick of course, is not to get drawn into it all.
To answer Jeremys question. Most modellers that I know view RCU as a bunch of key board warriors who have little better to do than argue for arguments sake. They continue to pursue the hobby in much the same fashion it was 30 years ago. Happy in what they do, and happy to assist anyone else who shares this passion.
I see RCU a bit differently, I have learned a lot here, and am extremely grateful for the exchange of wisdom that is freely offered by most of the members. BUT when the muck starts to fly, I become strictly an observer.
It’s not so bad down at the field..
Roger
Roger that Roger. I think this is very well stated. I like to be a browser and learner here. If I can offer some help I will. When the mud starts to fly, See Ya.
10-15-2013 | 09:44 AM
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Well Jack you certainly have the credentials to make such a comment however your wrong. This past weekend I attended an airshow at the Apple Valley Airport outside Victorville, California. The local RC club was in attendance and put on an excellent exhibition. During a demonstration of a electric powered RC jet it experienced an in-flight failure and crashed. This is reality and happens all the time in our hobby.
10-15-2013 | 10:23 AM
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Awesome Bob! Yea, I'm about 70% done now...heading into panel lines and rivets...then paint. But it's been good to build from a kit again! Excited about the Panther and Hunter for you. Flying a Eurosport right now, having fun with it, but certainly missing having a Lightning or a nice Hawk. Would love a Tomahawk Hawk but that's a pipe dream right now for me. Always a treat to see the Klenke Father/Son dynamic duo burning Kero together.
On the Hunter, I want to do the panel lines and the rivets as well. I've never done rivets before though, so I'm a little afraid - of the work and the results...
Bob
10-15-2013 | 10:59 AM
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Well Jack you certainly have the credentials to make such a comment however your wrong. This past weekend I attended an airshow at the Apple Valley Airport outside Victorville, California. The local RC club was in attendance and put on an excellent exhibition. During a demonstration of a electric powered RC jet it experienced an in-flight failure and crashed. This is reality and happens all the time in our hobby.
For example, your post... We might not know eachother, but you feel confortable bluntly saying I'm wrong. If we were on a face to face conversation, you would have engaged on a conversation, not a total dismissal of my comment.
Again, it is an interesting "behavioral" phenomenon. I'm sure there are some PhD students doing their theses on this subject
Later
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10-15-2013 | 12:26 PM
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Jeremy, I compleatly agree with you as far as the drama at the club level. I have not been to my club field once this year to fly and i dont think i will be renewing my membership at that club because of the drama that goes on by some of the (older) more established members.It used to be fun to go flying and socializing with the other members but the last few years have not been that way at all.Some members talk the talk but they dont walk the walk.Richard
