The plane is pretty true to scale. Even though it was never designed for scale competetion rather ease of flying, It did very well in the last WJM out of the box. BVM F-4 is a great plane but its far from scale as well. Please refrest my memory about how the BVM F-4 has done in any WJM which I believe is one of THE scale contest in the World?

If you want to do comparisons, lets talk about cost, ease of building / assembly, units sold in the last year.. I'm up for that

Adil

Hi Vinny,

Its about 80" in length. I'll take the measurements later and post them. SM has not posted this one on their website and I assume it is due to being a prototype?

Thanks - Adil

The BVM has has done very well at top gun for 15 yrs.find documentation look for yourself,all I said was it was less scale then BVM.

Fair enough Mr. Malchione (If you are not him, I apologize!). This thread was all about SM F-4 and I don't recall, BVM being brought into it except you. I have never said anything negative about the BVM F-4 as I have always admired it. Please read your prior posts and see how YOU brought the camparison to play. I don't think you would be content either if I was to go and start posting negative stuff on your beloved manufacturer's thread.

That being said, I guess your answer is NO to any BVM F-4 WJM high scores? Where real documentation is required not just some 3-D views that were "published in a RC magazxine".

Best Regards,

Adil

Gentlemen

For your information the highest score in the WJM (Thailand 2001) for a BVM F4 was 12th place in individual class (David Gladwin) At this year's WJM in Northern Ireland the two Skymaster F4's scored 19th and 28th place in open class.

Best regards

John

Thank you John, That is what I thought....

Best regards,

Adil

Adil,
I see in your post a Merc was used for the test flight. What size motors will fit best??

V..

Adil

hows the undercarriage look on the smaller version. structure, strength, CF reinforcement etc.

cheers
buck

Hi Vinny,

I'd say that a 20-27 lb thrust will be the range for this airframe. Me, I'll probably go for the Super Eagle to have the extra for some vertical performance etc.

Thanks - Adil

Hi Buck,

Being that this was a VERY early prototype, I used retracts that I had laying around as well as fuel tanks. SM will now work on doing the gear and tanks etc.

As fas as structure and strength, it is basically exactly the same as the bigger version and will be good. Wings already had the CF etc. which I didn't have on my bigger one if you remember.

I did notice that the wings are more on the thin / scale side vs the elder brother and that should equate to more speed etc. I did not notice any stability issue as it was pretty stable in the wind even on takeoff and landing.

I'm taking a GUESS here but this prototype kept simple and light was around 20lbs RTF so SM can definitely have the production one around 25lb or so?

Thanks - Adil

great info amigo

I look forward to your pix.

cheers

buck

ease of building,ease of flying=scale?, read back,I complimented skymaster,just ? if bvm was more scale.

Ok Dockey !!

Adil

OK, I got a very low resolution video from a friend and posted it under RCU videos: "SM F4 small prototype 1st flight.wmv"

I apologize for the poor resolution as well as length of the video but that is all I have currently [].

Adil

YEEAAHHH MMAAANNNNNN !!!!!!!!!! Wish I was there. Nice job!! At least up to the point somebody's _ _ _ head got in the way. Must have been all that knowledge fillin' it up. <8D

hey people if this is scale would someone please tell me where the SPOILERS are???

[:-] what spoilers? I don't believe the f-4 had spoilers.




Alan

Alan
might have been called Leading edge Slats...... might be hard to see .. check out the outboard leading edge is easier to see
Semper Fi
Joe

ok guys i just spoke to my friends dad who i know for a fact worked on the full size F4 and he swears blind they had spoilers!!!! he then went on to say the phantom had around 3 degrees up aileron and around 40 degree up spoiler , while the opposite aileron droped about 20 degrees ,also what made me query this is because i remember once watching a florida jet video where i think a guy called lewis hamilton ?? flew the century F4 and that showed a working spoiler!! im looking to getting a F4 myself in the comming months but im looking for scale it seems to me theres BVM, SKYMASTER, AND CENTURY, and untill i find out for sure on the spoilers which im now quite confident i have i would say the skymaster is a lovley piece of work but as for scale it would have to be questioned?[>:]

Lewis Patton... The General!

Thanks Joe, I already know about the slats, I did not know that they where also refered to as spoilers.




Alan

guys the slats are NOT refered to as spoilers !!! the spoilers are on the top of the wing just in front the aileron check it out its definetly right[8D[>:]

guys ive just gone on to google and put a F4 PHANTOM SPOILERS IN TO SEARCH ENGINE yep you guessed it everything you ever wanted to know about spoilers and more !! as i said im not knocking it at all i think its a lovley piece of workmanship its just a crying shame they never spent a few more weeks/months and got it spot on, i dont know its a lot to think about before you invest ££££££ [>:]

Wayne1965,

Spoilers or no spoilers, none of the 3 model brands that you've mentioned have wing spoilers or slats. I've never owned a CJM F-4 but I've owned a BVM Phantom and am awaiting delivery of a Skymaster F-4. I'm afraid that if you're looking for a 100% pure scale Phantom, you'll have to do your own molds or make kit modifications.

From a flying standpoint, I will say that I very much enjoyed my BVM Phantom, great quality. I'm looking forward to the Skymaster F-4, it's bigger therefore my aging eyes will like it better.

I certainly wish you the best in your search for the Phantom that meets your needs.

Forget about the spoilers and put some lights and a chute system...

http://www.jetsrc.com/videos/F-4_Chute_Hi.wmv

Michel