SUPER JET WEEK Correction
09-15-2005 | 03:26 PM
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SUPER JET WEEK Correction
Super Jet week Correction
Yesterday morning in my haste to inform people involved with plans for attending Super Jet Week of the cancellation notice, I misspoke. This is the message I was trying to convey.
Due to the actions of a few Jet modelers, during the previous months, the FAA has been backed into a corner. They in turn rendered a decision to disapprove Three Jet Events that were asking to be held on single runway, federally obligated airports. Super Jet Week being one of them. I did not mean RCU was responsible for Super Jet being canceled, this course of action was taken by the FAA. However, During this sensitive time some of the internet threads being conducted by a few "experts", on a subject for which they weren't completely informed of, only added fuel to the fire and did nothing to help diffuse the situation. Silence would have been golden while the parties involved were trying to handle the issues .
Also, I want to sincerely thank the Georgia Jet gang and the Winamac club for stepping up to the plate and holding alternate events to help cover the loss of Super Jet week. That is a major undertaking in such a short amount of time.
I regret that I was not articulate enough to convey my message on 09/14 clearly.
Jerry Caudle
Yesterday morning in my haste to inform people involved with plans for attending Super Jet Week of the cancellation notice, I misspoke. This is the message I was trying to convey.
Due to the actions of a few Jet modelers, during the previous months, the FAA has been backed into a corner. They in turn rendered a decision to disapprove Three Jet Events that were asking to be held on single runway, federally obligated airports. Super Jet Week being one of them. I did not mean RCU was responsible for Super Jet being canceled, this course of action was taken by the FAA. However, During this sensitive time some of the internet threads being conducted by a few "experts", on a subject for which they weren't completely informed of, only added fuel to the fire and did nothing to help diffuse the situation. Silence would have been golden while the parties involved were trying to handle the issues .
Also, I want to sincerely thank the Georgia Jet gang and the Winamac club for stepping up to the plate and holding alternate events to help cover the loss of Super Jet week. That is a major undertaking in such a short amount of time.
I regret that I was not articulate enough to convey my message on 09/14 clearly.
Jerry Caudle
09-15-2005 | 03:30 PM
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Jerry, no worries. However, I'm not sure in what capacity that the internet threads added fuel to the fire, can you or someone in the know explain?
If we know for sure exactly what is adding the flame, we'll know not to do that in the future. Most of what goes on here is just talk and regular BS. A lot of speculation etc.
So in that capacity, I and others fail to understand how that going on here, can effect a real world event such as discussions with the FAA.
If we know for sure exactly what is adding the flame, we'll know not to do that in the future. Most of what goes on here is just talk and regular BS. A lot of speculation etc.
So in that capacity, I and others fail to understand how that going on here, can effect a real world event such as discussions with the FAA.
09-15-2005 | 03:38 PM
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Mr. Caudle,
I too am saddened by what has happened and hope that somehow we will be able to work thru these hardships over the next year. Your event is the premeire jet event, the big show, so to speak and we were all very concerned about its cancellation. Perhaps you could tell us what and how it all happened for those of us that would want this situation not to recur in the future. Was there ever any word from the FAA that actions by some modelers caused this? Thanks for getting the word out as soon as you found out. BTW what about those who have already registered, do we need to contact you?
TOmmy
I too am saddened by what has happened and hope that somehow we will be able to work thru these hardships over the next year. Your event is the premeire jet event, the big show, so to speak and we were all very concerned about its cancellation. Perhaps you could tell us what and how it all happened for those of us that would want this situation not to recur in the future. Was there ever any word from the FAA that actions by some modelers caused this? Thanks for getting the word out as soon as you found out. BTW what about those who have already registered, do we need to contact you?
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09-15-2005 | 03:46 PM
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I can't and will not even try and answer for Jerry. But, I can see what he is getting at. IF the FAA had an ongoing investigation, and fact is THEY DID, perhaps the tone in some of the things that were being discussed on RCU may have contributed to their decision. Nobody likes being misquoted andI am no exception. So, assume FAA personnel were montoring this site. IF they saw a remark, something like: "I have a friend in Washington and he'll take care of those FAA yoyos" or anything else that might make our total membership look like a bunch of morons, it is only natural for them to take a closer look at what kind of organization they might be dealing with. The way I understand Jerry is that a small group was responsible for getting the FAA involved in the first place. That same small group really pithed off some Full Scale Pilot and he in turn went to the FAA to show the modelers who was boss. The FAA investigated, checking out MANY things, including RCU, in the process, and decided that perhaps it was time to enforce a policy that has been on their books for years. Some uf us DO know what is going on and it may not be prudent to divulge how we know or what the sources or connections in government might be.
Regardless of all this, let's stop the idle chatter about who said what and what meaning the words may have conveyed. Let's pool together and pool our suppoprt, our knowledge and our intellegence and do what we can to show the FAA that we are a responsible bunch of aviation enthusiasts and all we want is a chance to enjoy our sport. We need to show them that we are generally a smart bunch of guys who hold no malice towards anyone and have been co-habitating with full scale airplanes for over 25 years!
FT
Regardless of all this, let's stop the idle chatter about who said what and what meaning the words may have conveyed. Let's pool together and pool our suppoprt, our knowledge and our intellegence and do what we can to show the FAA that we are a responsible bunch of aviation enthusiasts and all we want is a chance to enjoy our sport. We need to show them that we are generally a smart bunch of guys who hold no malice towards anyone and have been co-habitating with full scale airplanes for over 25 years!
FT
09-15-2005 | 04:03 PM
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To the sixty plus pre-registered pilots, your entry fees are in the mail as we speak and there is no need to contact me. There is also a mailing to all the pre-paid vendors going tomorrow.
I would be happy to discuss in person with anyone the facts as I know them regarding the FAA closures.
I would be happy to discuss in person with anyone the facts as I know them regarding the FAA closures.
09-15-2005 | 04:07 PM
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The story for Florida Jets is this.
We are in complete compliance with every FAA policy that we have been made aware of. While we do fly from airport property, we fly from an area at its Western extremity. We do not use ANY of the runways, and, NO runway is closed.
I am still going to seek the full FAA doctrine and make sure that we are Golden!
Thank goodness, I have plenty of time to get the ducks in a row. I feel terrible for all the people that this FAA decision has effected!
It is so far more reaching than many might have thought.
Hopefully I'll see some of you in Georgia? I think we'll have a good time. It will be fun to be at a "non-commercial" event for a change!
Friday night, the drinks are on me, IF you can find me!!
FT
We are in complete compliance with every FAA policy that we have been made aware of. While we do fly from airport property, we fly from an area at its Western extremity. We do not use ANY of the runways, and, NO runway is closed.
I am still going to seek the full FAA doctrine and make sure that we are Golden!
Thank goodness, I have plenty of time to get the ducks in a row. I feel terrible for all the people that this FAA decision has effected!
It is so far more reaching than many might have thought.
Hopefully I'll see some of you in Georgia? I think we'll have a good time. It will be fun to be at a "non-commercial" event for a change!
Friday night, the drinks are on me, IF you can find me!!
FT
09-15-2005 | 11:31 PM
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I can't and will not even try and answer for Jerry. But, I can see what he is getting at. IF the FAA had an ongoing investigation, and fact is THEY DID, perhaps the tone in some of the things that were being discussed on RCU may have contributed to their decision. Nobody likes being misquoted andI am no exception. So, assume FAA personnel were montoring this site. IF they saw a remark, something like: "I have a friend in Washington and he'll take care of those FAA yoyos" or anything else that might make our total membership look like a bunch of morons, it is only natural for them to take a closer look at what kind of organization they might be dealing with. The way I understand Jerry is that a small group was responsible for getting the FAA involved in the first place. That same small group really pithed off some Full Scale Pilot and he in turn went to the FAA to show the modelers who was boss. The FAA investigated, checking out MANY things, including RCU, in the process, and decided that perhaps it was time to enforce a policy that has been on their books for years. Some uf us DO know what is going on and it may not be prudent to divulge how we know or what the sources or connections in government might be.
Regardless of all this, let's stop the idle chatter about who said what and what meaning the words may have conveyed. Let's pool together and pool our suppoprt, our knowledge and our intellegence and do what we can to show the FAA that we are a responsible bunch of aviation enthusiasts and all we want is a chance to enjoy our sport. We need to show them that we are generally a smart bunch of guys who hold no malice towards anyone and have been co-habitating with full scale airplanes for over 25 years!
FT
I can't and will not even try and answer for Jerry. But, I can see what he is getting at. IF the FAA had an ongoing investigation, and fact is THEY DID, perhaps the tone in some of the things that were being discussed on RCU may have contributed to their decision. Nobody likes being misquoted andI am no exception. So, assume FAA personnel were montoring this site. IF they saw a remark, something like: "I have a friend in Washington and he'll take care of those FAA yoyos" or anything else that might make our total membership look like a bunch of morons, it is only natural for them to take a closer look at what kind of organization they might be dealing with. The way I understand Jerry is that a small group was responsible for getting the FAA involved in the first place. That same small group really pithed off some Full Scale Pilot and he in turn went to the FAA to show the modelers who was boss. The FAA investigated, checking out MANY things, including RCU, in the process, and decided that perhaps it was time to enforce a policy that has been on their books for years. Some uf us DO know what is going on and it may not be prudent to divulge how we know or what the sources or connections in government might be.
Regardless of all this, let's stop the idle chatter about who said what and what meaning the words may have conveyed. Let's pool together and pool our suppoprt, our knowledge and our intellegence and do what we can to show the FAA that we are a responsible bunch of aviation enthusiasts and all we want is a chance to enjoy our sport. We need to show them that we are generally a smart bunch of guys who hold no malice towards anyone and have been co-habitating with full scale airplanes for over 25 years!
FT
09-16-2005 | 12:26 AM
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Nope, leave us out of this one. I clearly stated many times not to rock the boat. Go back and talk to your friend the pilot instead, maybe he had something to do with it LOL
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Without naming names, I take it this "small group" was the group that attempted to enlist the help of a State Senator to influence the FAA? Or a small group out in California?
Without naming names, I take it this "small group" was the group that attempted to enlist the help of a State Senator to influence the FAA? Or a small group out in California?
09-16-2005 | 06:48 AM
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You know, I owe many of you an apology! I was truly under the impression that all of us knew exactly what precipitated the jet event closures and were just afraid to come out and say it!
So for those who have been in the dark or have been guessing, please let me take this minute to explain, in abbreviated form, what happened.
There was a jet event taking place, for arguments sake, it was west of the Mississippi river. It was being held at a small airport. One of the Pilots that hangers an aircraft there needed to, wanted to, or otherwise was asked to, fly somewhere else. When he asked the CD/Promoter of the Jet event if he could interrupt the event so he could take-off, the response was an emphatic "NO"! After going back and forth, the Promoter just wouldn't budge. The end result is that the Pilot went to a friend in government, someone who had a friend at the FAA, and put in a *****. From what I understand, and this may NOT be exact, the Promoters were given a second chance to smooth things over and they kept their snotty attitude and blew off the dude trying to act as the mediator! Bottom line is that the FAA looked into a ploicy that has been on the books for years and decided that perhaps it was time to enforce it. That's it, Period! And that is the truth. Hope that clears some of the mystery up for some of you. Truth sometimes hurts, this time it is almost unbelievable!
FT
So for those who have been in the dark or have been guessing, please let me take this minute to explain, in abbreviated form, what happened.
There was a jet event taking place, for arguments sake, it was west of the Mississippi river. It was being held at a small airport. One of the Pilots that hangers an aircraft there needed to, wanted to, or otherwise was asked to, fly somewhere else. When he asked the CD/Promoter of the Jet event if he could interrupt the event so he could take-off, the response was an emphatic "NO"! After going back and forth, the Promoter just wouldn't budge. The end result is that the Pilot went to a friend in government, someone who had a friend at the FAA, and put in a *****. From what I understand, and this may NOT be exact, the Promoters were given a second chance to smooth things over and they kept their snotty attitude and blew off the dude trying to act as the mediator! Bottom line is that the FAA looked into a ploicy that has been on the books for years and decided that perhaps it was time to enforce it. That's it, Period! And that is the truth. Hope that clears some of the mystery up for some of you. Truth sometimes hurts, this time it is almost unbelievable!
FT
09-16-2005 | 07:24 AM
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You know, I owe many of you an apology! I was truly under the impression that all of us knew exactly what precipitated the jet event closures and were just afraid to come out and say it!
So for those who have been in the dark or have been guessing, please let me take this minute to explain, in abbreviated form, what happened.
There was a jet event taking place, for arguments sake, it was west of the Mississippi river. It was being held at a small airport. One of the Pilots that hangers an aircraft there needed to, wanted to, or otherwise was asked to, fly somewhere else. When he asked the CD/Promoter of the Jet event if he could interrupt the event so he could take-off, the response was an emphatic "NO"! After going back and forth, the Promoter just wouldn't budge. The end result is that the Pilot went to a friend in government, someone who had a friend at the FAA, and put in a *****. From what I understand, and this may NOT be exact, the Promoters were given a second chance to smooth things over and they kept their snotty attitude and blew off the dude trying to act as the mediator! Bottom line is that the FAA looked into a ploicy that has been on the books for years and decided that perhaps it was time to enforce it. That's it, Period! And that is the truth. Hope that clears some of the mystery up for some of you. Truth sometimes hurts, this time it is almost unbelievable!
FT
You know, I owe many of you an apology! I was truly under the impression that all of us knew exactly what precipitated the jet event closures and were just afraid to come out and say it!
So for those who have been in the dark or have been guessing, please let me take this minute to explain, in abbreviated form, what happened.
There was a jet event taking place, for arguments sake, it was west of the Mississippi river. It was being held at a small airport. One of the Pilots that hangers an aircraft there needed to, wanted to, or otherwise was asked to, fly somewhere else. When he asked the CD/Promoter of the Jet event if he could interrupt the event so he could take-off, the response was an emphatic "NO"! After going back and forth, the Promoter just wouldn't budge. The end result is that the Pilot went to a friend in government, someone who had a friend at the FAA, and put in a *****. From what I understand, and this may NOT be exact, the Promoters were given a second chance to smooth things over and they kept their snotty attitude and blew off the dude trying to act as the mediator! Bottom line is that the FAA looked into a ploicy that has been on the books for years and decided that perhaps it was time to enforce it. That's it, Period! And that is the truth. Hope that clears some of the mystery up for some of you. Truth sometimes hurts, this time it is almost unbelievable!
FT
09-16-2005 | 07:36 AM
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Nope, leave us out of this one. I clearly stated many times not to rock the boat. Go back and talk to your friend the pilot instead, maybe he had something to do with it LOL
Turbulence
Nope, leave us out of this one. I clearly stated many times not to rock the boat. Go back and talk to your friend the pilot instead, maybe he had something to do with it LOL
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Without naming names, I take it this "small group" was the group that attempted to enlist the help of a State Senator to influence the FAA? Or a small group out in California?
Without naming names, I take it this "small group" was the group that attempted to enlist the help of a State Senator to influence the FAA? Or a small group out in California?
09-16-2005 | 07:50 AM
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ET,
You know, I just couldn't have made it any clearer! It was NOT the incident about the model entering Full scale airspace! It was about the promoter of a jet meet acting like a Jerk to one of the pilots at the airport and denying him the opportunity of flying that day. The pilot contacted a government official who in turn contacted the FAA and the rest is history. This is what some of us mean when we speak of rumors. The policy of the FAA to not allow these jet events this year are directly related to that one incident. Got it?
NOTHING to do with the incident you seem to be tuned in to.
FT
You know, I just couldn't have made it any clearer! It was NOT the incident about the model entering Full scale airspace! It was about the promoter of a jet meet acting like a Jerk to one of the pilots at the airport and denying him the opportunity of flying that day. The pilot contacted a government official who in turn contacted the FAA and the rest is history. This is what some of us mean when we speak of rumors. The policy of the FAA to not allow these jet events this year are directly related to that one incident. Got it?
NOTHING to do with the incident you seem to be tuned in to.
FT
09-16-2005 | 07:59 AM
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Hi Frank,
Thanks for giving us the story. Maybe now everyone is on the same page.
I just can't understand why this information wasn't put out months ago, by the AMA, Vp's, someone!
BRG,
Jon
Thanks for giving us the story. Maybe now everyone is on the same page.
I just can't understand why this information wasn't put out months ago, by the AMA, Vp's, someone!
BRG,
Jon
09-16-2005 | 08:07 AM
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You know, I owe many of you an apology! I was truly under the impression that all of us knew exactly what precipitated the jet event closures and were just afraid to come out and say it!
So for those who have been in the dark or have been guessing, please let me take this minute to explain, in abbreviated form, what happened.
There was a jet event taking place, for arguments sake, it was west of the Mississippi river. It was being held at a small airport. One of the Pilots that hangers an aircraft there needed to, wanted to, or otherwise was asked to, fly somewhere else. When he asked the CD/Promoter of the Jet event if he could interrupt the event so he could take-off, the response was an emphatic "NO"! After going back and forth, the Promoter just wouldn't budge. The end result is that the Pilot went to a friend in government, someone who had a friend at the FAA, and put in a *****. From what I understand, and this may NOT be exact, the Promoters were given a second chance to smooth things over and they kept their snotty attitude and blew off the dude trying to act as the mediator! Bottom line is that the FAA looked into a ploicy that has been on the books for years and decided that perhaps it was time to enforce it. That's it, Period! And that is the truth. Hope that clears some of the mystery up for some of you. Truth sometimes hurts, this time it is almost unbelievable!
FT
You know, I owe many of you an apology! I was truly under the impression that all of us knew exactly what precipitated the jet event closures and were just afraid to come out and say it!
So for those who have been in the dark or have been guessing, please let me take this minute to explain, in abbreviated form, what happened.
There was a jet event taking place, for arguments sake, it was west of the Mississippi river. It was being held at a small airport. One of the Pilots that hangers an aircraft there needed to, wanted to, or otherwise was asked to, fly somewhere else. When he asked the CD/Promoter of the Jet event if he could interrupt the event so he could take-off, the response was an emphatic "NO"! After going back and forth, the Promoter just wouldn't budge. The end result is that the Pilot went to a friend in government, someone who had a friend at the FAA, and put in a *****. From what I understand, and this may NOT be exact, the Promoters were given a second chance to smooth things over and they kept their snotty attitude and blew off the dude trying to act as the mediator! Bottom line is that the FAA looked into a ploicy that has been on the books for years and decided that perhaps it was time to enforce it. That's it, Period! And that is the truth. Hope that clears some of the mystery up for some of you. Truth sometimes hurts, this time it is almost unbelievable!
FT
Frank - thanks for the info - and I sincerely wish it had been provided sooner. Glad to see that neither RCU nor any other internet forums are given any blame in the true version.
As for people being afraid to "come out and say it", I think that in a majority of cases (Note that I didn't say "all", since I'm sure there are exceptions) that tends to be a misguided philosophy. Giving people some "hints" / "teasers" about what happened, without giving them the true story, will only lead them to speculation.... and in most cases anyone who gives out only a part of the story has no grounds for b*tching if the holes in their story end up getting filled in with speculation.
Thanks again for being the one who finally decided that we should not be kept in the dark on this issue.
Gordon
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09-16-2005 | 08:23 AM
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ET,
You know, I just couldn't have made it any clearer! It was NOT the incident about the model entering Full scale airspace! It was about the promoter of a jet meet acting like a Jerk to one of the pilots at the airport and denying him the opportunity of flying that day. The pilot contacted a government official who in turn contacted the FAA and the rest is history. This is what some of us mean when we speak of rumors. The policy of the FAA to not allow these jet events this year are directly related to that one incident. Got it?
NOTHING to do with the incident you seem to be tuned in to.
FT
ET,
You know, I just couldn't have made it any clearer! It was NOT the incident about the model entering Full scale airspace! It was about the promoter of a jet meet acting like a Jerk to one of the pilots at the airport and denying him the opportunity of flying that day. The pilot contacted a government official who in turn contacted the FAA and the rest is history. This is what some of us mean when we speak of rumors. The policy of the FAA to not allow these jet events this year are directly related to that one incident. Got it?
NOTHING to do with the incident you seem to be tuned in to.
FT
09-16-2005 | 08:52 AM
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Frank, why was this such a big secret? We all should have been told this months ago. Had people known the facts all this 'idiotic chatter' wouldn't have even happened. This is really quite sad.
09-16-2005 | 11:03 AM
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Frank thank you for the information, please let us know what we can do to make sure that everyone is happy and we can continue planning trips to jet events without having to worry about the FAA not letting us play. I know that in past events (not related to Jets) where an airport was shut down (with a heavy fee) to full scale traffic, the general aviation pilots have put pressure on the airport manager's to not allow the event for the follwing year. With this in mind, maybe we can find a way to keep everyone happy so that our jet events dont feel like such a burden towards the full scale guy's.
Just a thought,
Dave
Just a thought,
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09-16-2005 | 11:09 AM
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I would like to thank Mr. J. Caudle for removing the controversial statements from his web site.
It goes to prove his love for this sports and above all shows that he is a true gentleman.
Thanks Jerry, and thanks Frank for being you and telling it the way it was.
Best Regards
…….ghost_rider………final roger and out………
Edited to remove BV from my post. The controversial statement still remains on his website. Hope he reconsiders and take prudent action
It goes to prove his love for this sports and above all shows that he is a true gentleman.
Thanks Jerry, and thanks Frank for being you and telling it the way it was.
Best Regards
…….ghost_rider………final roger and out………
Edited to remove BV from my post. The controversial statement still remains on his website. Hope he reconsiders and take prudent action
09-16-2005 | 11:49 AM
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Forget idiotic chatter....I want to know the idiot CD. Lets get to the root of the problem.[:@][:@][:@][>:]
David Hudson
Forget idiotic chatter....I want to know the idiot CD. Lets get to the root of the problem.[:@][:@][:@][>:]
David Hudson
David, the inevitable witch hunt and finger pointing won't really change the fact that these rules have been on the books for some time. I believe the events leading up to where we are now merely accelerated the rate at which the FAA caught on to the lack of enforcement of these rules. Chances are probably good that we'd be in this situation anyway in the near future.
09-16-2005 | 11:53 AM
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David, the inevitable witch hunt and finger pointing won't really change the fact that these rules have been on the books for some time. I believe the events leading up to where we are now merely accelerated the rate at which the FAA caught on to the lack of enforcement of these rules. Chances are probably good that we'd be in this situation anyway in the near future.
ORIGINAL: DCM
Forget idiotic chatter....I want to know the idiot CD. Lets get to the root of the problem.[:@][:@][:@][>:]
David Hudson
Forget idiotic chatter....I want to know the idiot CD. Lets get to the root of the problem.[:@][:@][:@][>:]
David Hudson
David, the inevitable witch hunt and finger pointing won't really change the fact that these rules have been on the books for some time. I believe the events leading up to where we are now merely accelerated the rate at which the FAA caught on to the lack of enforcement of these rules. Chances are probably good that we'd be in this situation anyway in the near future.
Tommy
