WEEWOW[X(], barry

O brother, here we go again.

Mr. Reid?

Looks like Tracy is at it again. Dream on Dude!!!

JR

Your pullin something, but it aint g's.... uffff

From someone who actually builds full scale using pre-preg and honeycomb (and got to paruse your aircraft at FJ).... Nice Dream.

I have to ask...was it November 1983 Playmate Veronica Gamba who was observing the layup process?

I.e., is it possible that the pubic hair found in the canopy frame might actually belong to HER?

First of all, making a comment like that would turn me away from any product. ANY prototype you send out had better be identical to what the production version will be! Otherwise, how is it a prototype??? It's just another model! When you change it for production it makes your first run "prototypes" only now your customers are the guinea pigs. The only place where IMO it's ok to slack a bit in a prototype is the actual finish quality. (paint) as the prototype will likely be cut apart and modded many times before it reaches production stages.

As for the rest of your story, it's some of the best fiction I've read in a long time! :P

There is no dreaming about it.
I didn't know he was married to Veronica Gamba until our High School reunion in 2001. You can also see her in the movie, "Smoky and the Bandit, part 3". She is the dark haired nude lady at the picnic at the end of the movie. My buddy, Jeff Hewitt (now a Gartner analyst in San Jose', Ca.) was married to her for 10 years. He said that Jeff Goldblum even called to ask her out while they were making the film, but he didn't know that she was married to my buddy.
You guys probably don't know that the Starjet almost made it into the James Bond movie, "Die Another Day". I was at the airshow in Oshkosh, Wi. in 2001 talking to the Williams Jet engine people and half jokingly said, "If I can get this into a James Bond movie will you loan me a jet engine?" (I had a display model in my hand). They said, "you bet". Well, just by chance another Williams Jet employee heard me say that and remarked, "I have a buddy in Bad Axe, Michigan who worked on the last Bond movie, "The World is Not Enough". He put me in touch with him, and Trevor in Michigan put me in touch with Simon Crane, the stunt coordinator for the Bond flicks. Simon Crane and Vic Armstrong (second unit director) showed the photos to Lee Tamahori (the director), and about three weeks later Vic E-mailed me and said, "We might use your Jet". About a month later Vic E-mailed me again explaining that they decided to use a much larger airplane (the Russian Antonov) instead. They had actually found out about my design too late to get it into the script, but said they will consider it for a future Bond movie.
At the time I was working in the control tower at Boeing Field in Seattle. About two weeks before the Oshkosh occurence, I attended a "black tie" event at the Museum of Flight at Boeing Field which honored Pete Conrad (Apollo 12), who had been killed one year before. Several Astronauts were there, and Tom Selleck and James Cameron were supposed to be there, but couldn't make it at the last minute. The cheapest ticket was $250, but they were all sold out, so I had to pay $500 to attend. The day after I was down at the 727 that was being readied to take the astronauts back to California, which was being piloted by Clay Lacy (he got the BD-5 into the Bond movie, "Octo*****"). I asked the security guard if I could talk to Mr. Lacy, and he brought him over. After he saw the display model and said he would get in touch with the right people I heard a voice to my left say, "Hey that's pretty cool, whadya got there?". I turned, expecting it to be the average person, and it was non other than Buzz Aldrin. He talked to me about my design, and a lady I was at the dinner with the night before stood back and took a picture of us talking. Of course, I enlarged it and it is in a frame on my wall.
There is a local wealthy man in CoeurdA'lene, Idaho, named Dwayne Hagadone, who hosted a party summer of 2004 at his lakeside residence with John Travolta in attendance. John's sister, Ellen Travolta, lives within 20 miles of me, and that is why John ended up here. They filled the cruise boats at $100 per ticket to go over to the party and meet John Travolta. I found out about it too late to get a ticket. Ellen Travolta does work with the CoeurdA'lene Summer Theatre, so I went there and asked them to pass a message on to her for me. She later called, and my mother answered, and she said she couldn't accept anything for John (the display model), but gave an address in Encino, Ca. that I could send it to and it would get to him. I didn't do it yet, but I think I will have it professionally painted by a local airbrush expert and then show it to Mr. Hagadone, to get photos to John. Of course, now that Mr. Hilburger from Playboy is VERY interested I will have the Bunny airbrushed on the tail. My prediction is that they will do it as the Playboy Jet and both John Travolta and Tom Cruise will own a copy. So laugh it up for now, but when you see it in Playboy magazine you can ask me for a ride in it. The only question I have now is whether to buy a Ferrari, or a Lamborghini. I hate tough decisions.

I suggest the lamborgatti fasterossa!!!!!


LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow, I don't have enough popcorn for this one, gonna need pretzels and cheezies too!

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The point is that Richard and friends were supposed to do whatever work was necessary to get it into the air with a turbine, and then I would concentrate on getting the production version to a deliverable quality with the highest possible customer satisfaction. At no time were they supposed to represent the aircraft to other people as "what you get". As a matter of fact I wanted them to tell people it was just a test model. Since I had not done a turbine model, and had only experience with prop planes dating back to the early 70's in Dayton, Ohio (Western Ohio Radio Control Society club with Don Lowe and Dave Brown) I wanted someone with turbine experience to do the conversion and necessary improvements and evaluation for necessary changes. They never finished the project. I admit it would have been more work than they probably anticipated, especially canopy mounting, but could be done. The aircraft could have been finished and done nicely and flown. The FAA owes me $135,000 in back pay and the other Air Traffic Controllers who got shafted in the pay conversion a few years ago have agreed to pay me a percentage of their back pay when we win in court, 'cause I paid for the lawsuit, so I wil get at least $70,000 from them. Then I will bring the model up to speed myself, unless I get 6 or 7 people who want to order now so I have money to hire another person to go into production. I have $2,000 worth of prepreg in the freezer and all the honeycomb and other material to finish about 40 kits. Since I had to quit my job to use part of my retirement fund to pay for the lawsuit I am low on money and just need a couple thousand to get into the 48x24 production facility. If there are any of you who would like to do a business partnership let me know. But now that Playboy is interested in doing the full-size aircraft I probably won't have to worry about money soon. Just who to hire.

It's all good, Britney Spears has agreed to record the theme song for my latest creation that hustler magazine wants to use for their advertising in airshows, children's books, and nun conventions. Antonio Banderas is going to play the lead in the made for TV movie on the design and development of it too. He will be starring alongside Jenna Jameson, it's an erotic thriller kids movie actually.

Well, now your getting slightly unbelievable. Remember, sometimes truth is harder to make up than fiction. Remind me of your comeback at a future airshow and I'll give you a ride. We can have a few beers and share some laughs (laughs before and after the ride, and beer AFTER, nobody laughs after throwing up beer!)

Making up truth? Well, from what I know that would be called lying

You misunderstand me. The saying is that sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. Or just because something might be hard to believe doesn't mean it isn't true. I have had way too many things happen in life to be just meaningless coincidence, mostly concerning a lady I taught to fly in Decatur, Illinois 20 years ago. She now lives in Lehigh Acres, Florida. After I taught her to fly and proposed to her I found out I had to become Catholic to marry her, which I didn't do. I have reason to believe she has been keeping track of where I live in the country, that she may be afraid to lose track of me. I had a premonition a year and a half before I met her that I would meet my wife in Decatur, Illinois. Three years ago a lady called the control tower at Boeing Field in Seattle, asked for me, and when I answered she hung up. About a week later I was on my way to the Seventh Day Adventist Church and thought, "that would be neat if God would give me a sign that things are going to work out with her and I someday". About 30 minutes later a guest pastor, who hardly ever speaks at that church, started talking and the first thing he said was, "I just got back from Decatur, Illinois". I couldn't believe it. I was living in Federal Way, Washington at the time, just south of Seattle. About three days later I found out, totally by chance, that the only two Mirror Lakes Elementary Schools in the United States are in Federal Way, Wa. where I was, and Lehigh Acres, Fl. where she lives, two opposite corners of the country. Those are just a few of the amazing things that tie her and I together. So don't believe what I say isn't the truth. Like I said, truth is stranger than fiction.

Well, you might continue your bizarre name dropping, but I know what I saw in that "prototype". I supported Richard's decision to send it back to you. Its been a while, but I'll recount some of the issues with it. #1: the canopy was VERY roughly finished on the outside (not to mention the Playboy bunny pubie on the inside!). Again, we could have smeared filler on the outside and made it look OK, but if it is coming out of a mold, why not do it right? And talk about HEAVY! I remember the canopy weighed at least three times what, say, a Kangaroo canopy would weigh and about the same size (seriously). It was crap. #2: the high aspect ratio wings were far too whimpy and flexible. A few of these things may have flown with pusher props (very few I'd bet), but I was seriously concerned about that thing at any significant speed. Had Richard decided to continue, I would have used full throttle to get off the ground, and then throttle back and fly it as slow as possible. For all your talk about pre-preg this and that, why did you simply not put some carbon in the upper and lower skins and stiffen that sucker up? The wings alone showed a serious lack of design knowledge with respect to aeroelasticity. Like I said, maybe survive with a prop, but not a turbine trying to push it at 160 mph. Just a flutter experiment waiting for a place to make a crater. #3: there was no easy or well engineered way to attach the booms to the center body. It was going to have to be glue them on and glass the heck out of the area. We could have made it work, but it would have ended up an eye-sore and would have necessitated adding more unnecessary weight to an already WAY over-weight airframe. It was total crap. Very inefficient structural design (and I do aerospace structures).

Well, don't loose hope. Maybe one of those Playboy bunnies can help you with aero-structural design!!!

P.S. Richard just called me and reminded me that we actually (or at least he did) did attach the booms. Again, we made it work by adding a lot of resin and glass, but that area SCREAMED for a well designed attachment. Not the "glue in place and add a pound of glass and resin" method! Again, you will no doubt claim that it was like that because it was a prototype. But, in fact, LGM is correct. The prototype should be a prototype of the manufactured product. If you intend to change 50% of it upon hitting production, then what's the point? Do it first and test it that way! If you'd spend less time hangin' with the bunnies (yeah, right!) and more time engineering & building products, some of us would have actually seen GlassCats fly!

But, alas, all we saw was the CrapCat.

well, easytiger (my buddy curtis) has been 100% knocked out by a new entertainment champ. folks, this knock out was instant, et did not see it coming. however 2 diferent styles, et's was factual sarcasm. sometimes funny sometimes not. but the new champ has material straight off an alien inhabited comet. pilotdude, it is great to dream, but keep the feet solidly on the ground for those bumps in the road. good luck and lets see some more in depth pics of your project. barry

Well Mark they at least likely to have some very nice aerolastic or some kind of lastic qualities!!

WOW !!!!!!!!

Well, for the jet guys out there, some of you know me, I know all of you know Woketman
(defined as "and friends" in Tracy Jensen's post, I want you to hear the name Tracy Jensen, so you know who not to deal with), Woketman works for NASA and is an aerospace engineer. Me on the other hand, work in electrical construction, hands on in the field, I design and build large electrical systems. Just so you know who I'am. Also, I have had a modified Roo, which is on my website, that has flown and is flying.

NOW ON WITH THE SHOW:

Mr. Jensen: you have a poor memory my boy. The kit was sent NO where near complete,
me and "friends" took a lot of our time to get your "marvel", to the stage it was, when I remember sending it back to you, due to the wing spar calculations. We did these after you could not provide us with the specs or number of the aluminum you used in the wings. You also seem to forget there was no blocking of any kind to support the robart hinges in the tail boom-or the wings, me and "friends" had to make holes in the surfaces to get epoxy on the inside of the wings and tail.This was done so the robarts wouldn't FALL OUT. And the hinges were installed correctly and would have been the only part of that plane, worthy of flight!
As for the large mod for the turbine, lets just say, yes
it could have been smaller ( middle of page below )
http://www.conceptserviceselectrical...at_website.htm
but with the large amount of glass to make the tail booms connect safely, and the gross weight of the hull (and I said Hull, as in tugboat, cause thats what it felt like to handle), there was no
reason to make it smaller. Also the TJT starter was hidden inside the "hull", and if you look at the photo on the center of that link, the turbine was the same size as the fuse, so why have it mounted like a Hotspot or a Roo- when you can have the factory TJT mount used, and the starter inside the fuse, and the turbine mounted in the thrust line (oh, I'm sorry, you most likely do not know what that is). This goes without saying a word about the canopy that NEVER would have lasted ten seconds in the air, I would have had to duct tape it on, anyway. The fact is the canopy you sent, was not made to go on the hull I was sent. So just to un-fog your memory, I did my job, and I've put a modified plane in the air, you on the other hand can point fingers at people working to resolve issues you could never comprehend.

As for the PUBIC HAIR, the only way that hair came off someone's head, AND THE ONLY WAY,
is if there were nuts, under that guys chin. I have witness's that saw it.

As for the playboy things, and stars wanting a copy of a real plane, made of a NON-FLYING
model, I couldn't have been drunk and swimming in LSD and came up with that bunch of malarkey! And don't hold your breath waiting for me at the airport for that ride, I wouldn't want to drown in you wet dream.

Tracy I told you to get something in the air, and show the Jet guys something. Well,
you showed them something, and without anyone even replying to you, I can tell you,
none of the real jet guys would buy a piece of bubble gum from you now.

Richard Newman

Oh, and If anyone wants to host a few shots of the plane, before it was sent back to
our Pal, email me and I will send them to you. Photos show the holes in the wings and
it being crated for return.

You'll have to excuse my penmen-ship, I'm still falling out of my chair at the above post,
WOW!

Oh, I totally concede to Tracy.... until the saucermen return to retrieve him, he has the floor!


I'm wondering....if I order the new Jenson F-101, can I get it with July 1979 Playmate Alana Soares' pubic hair it in?

This is even better then the RCJET list email saga a few years back.

Sean, you always wondered about the Tracy moments on the list. Are you tuning in now?

JR

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Would that be a Richard's head? (not you richard)
Evidently it was a PUBLIC HAIR.

Very interesting thread. Waiting for pics of the extraordinary chronicles told by Mr. Pilotdude.

Enrique

Ok,
Here's an idea. Why don't I send you the wing skins, control surface halves, tail section with outer boom skins not joined, fuselage halves not joined, and a lightweight canopy, and all internal parts and let YOU do the internal engineering. That way you can brag about how you did it right and made it able to fly at 160 MPH. When you come up with a workable turbine model, with changes and improvements documented, I will pay you $500 for your work. That means I ship you a free kit, and you take it from there. Does that sound reasonable. And you can keep the airplane after it is done, I would just want you to do the demo flights and tell other people that the previous engineering flaws have been corrected. Also, as far as the rough surface of the canopy goes, when you use prepreg there is no satisfactory gel coat that I know of. Even the guys who build the full-size Lancairs have to fill the minor weave in the surface. A little extra work, but not a big deal. I have discovered a method that solves this problem. I used some half ounce cloth in the mold first and then put the prepreg in, and the resin flowed into the lightweight cloth and made a very smooth surface, so that is the way I will do it from now on. Let me know if you are interested. And by the way, obviously the hair came from a person's head (very curly). To think otherwise is ridiculous, and Rob Hilburger from Playboy DID contact me yesterday concerning the Starjet. You probably have not seen the design, but I can E-mail photos to anyone interested.