No thanks Tracy. I believe that Richard and others have said this before (but you just don't listen): you are wasting your time trying to tell the jet guys how great your stuff is. It would be far far FAR better if you would simply get a turbine GlassCat or F-101 or whatever flying (designed and built by you). That would trump ten thousand years of your typing here and on the Jets List, really!

I really want you and guys like you to succeed. More products gives us more options. But they need to be REAL products that exist in our four dimensional space-time.

Oh, please simply post the pictures here for everyone.

The hair did not come off of my head, not unless Tracy has a time
machine, as the hair in question was covered in epoxy.


and it was a Dick's (as in Dick Van Dyke) Hair from.... below.
Not a Richard's hair, as in, not mine.

I kinda go with Woketman's story when we found
the hair, that Tracy was doing production in his bathroom,
that would explain the hair and all the b/s.

I too think Tracy, you should stop looking for others to reinvent the
wheel for you. You fail to remember, knocking people in the jet world,
and insulting them, oh, and then ask there friends to help you improve
your product. boggles the mind.

Now I maybe a simple man, but I know how to get people to help me.
Lets just say its not by calling there friends and fellow pilots liars.
And speaking of how great you and your junk plane is, with no proof,
only bunches of people complaining about never receiving complete
kits as of this date from you. Also, first hand experience with your
great model and it short comings from more than a few guys than
actually do know what they are talking about. You seem to forget,
a lot of these guys here saw that model a few years ago.

if you were on fire, most of these guys here wouldn't put you out
with Jet A, much less spend money on your products.

BUT THE KICKS I GOT ALL DAY TODAY, THINKING ABOUT THIS
THREAD WILL LAST FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

Richard Newman (this stuff made my day!!!!!!)

Priceless, just priceless stuff. Ah the entertainment value here is enormous.

Woketman are you and your work buds going to be helping Tracy with his ride home?

Antony

Great Stuff

Tracy... your theory on Prepreg is interesting. So, if I understand this correctly... "I used some half ounce cloth in the mold first and then put the prepreg in, and the resin flowed into the lightweight cloth and made a very smooth surface".... you are laying 1/2oz non-prepreg cloth into the mold then the prepreg over that? [sm=stupid.gif] Umm... OK. You do realize this acts as a wick for the resin right? Therefore reducing the amount of resin required to properly cure the prepreg cloth[X(]
Properly molded prepreg (as seen in pic 1) does provide a very nice, smooth finish. And, as you can see in pic 2, quite strong.... BTW...that's 21" of deflection without so much as a pop (17,700lbs).
At least your keeping it frozen. That's one step in the process your doing correctly

Tracy,
you should just give it up. Todd , Mark, as well as myself work in the aerospace industry and I can tell you that we know crap when we see it and Mark was correct in naming that thing the crapcat.

I made this wing from 0.2 oz prepreg...nothing else.. then I drove my truck on it.. .. J/K

I am kind of glad Tracy brought that plane to Fl Jets years ago... Because right then, no one
else gave me a hard time about how rough my planes were..

Eddie Weeks

Good one Eddie!

Antony, we can not give Tracy a lift. The fastest we can get a payload to is WAY sub-luminal. Tracy's home world would be a minimum of a few hundred thousand years off. On second thought, that would give him enough time to finish one flying Playboy Bunny scale GlassCat!!!

What I was thinking is this...
Using turbine bleed air to both heat and aereate the hot tub aboard the PlayJet.

What do you think?

The outer prepreg layer is substantial enough that the small amount of resin going into the .5 oz. cloth is not enough to weaken anything. Obviously I was concerned about this very thing, so I did some testing and the prepreg to core bond was just as strong. I haven't made a full kit, or full part with this process yet, but initial tests show good results.

Hey woketman,
Since you work in the area where they do the Space Shuttle external tank, I thought I would ask you a question. A few weeks ago I got in touch with a couple of people at Marshall and asked them if they would check with the engineers to see if they have considered laminating Kevlar cloth over the tank insulation in the critical areas to keep it from coming off, with wrinkles for expansion and contraction, if necessary. I haven't heard back from them. What do you think of the idea? Could it work, and if not why not?

Here's some photos of the StarJet.

I think it will look great with a bunny on each tail and a playmate inside.

Well, to be totally honest, the design idea looks good and seems very feasible to me. Now I am waiting for the bunnies!

Enrique

We have looked at every idea that you can imagine over the last 2.5 years (since the STS-107 investigation ended). The many different flavors of some sort of covering to hold debris are largely unworkable for many reasons. How would you fasten the cover to the tank to be certain that it did not itself become more debris (and worse debris cause it is far more dense than foam)? Also, the Kevlar can not even come close to surviving the aero-heating environment on ascent, especially in areas where shock impingement can (and does) occur. Don't forget, at this point there can not be any major redesign such as to provide hard attach points. We have to fly out the existing hardware.

I was at Marshal for about 1.5 months after the hurricane, I love it up there. I went out to the local R/C field, RCRC (Rocket City R/C Club). Wonderful paved runway and facility! Lots of Marshal guys were down here all last week for PAL Ramp Removal meetings.

See that is what a REAL engineer sounds like... PAL.. this.. STS-107 that...
No talk of playboys bunnies flying in his plane..

Spiderman out...

Well.... we did have a hot co-ed a few summers ago. But she got pregnant....

Woketman
Have you guys thought about using Spandex to hold the foam to the tank ? I've seen some impressive loads on this material , while walking though Walmart . Just a thought !


Charlie

Ba-ZING! Nice one!

Are you sure she was not prepreg?

LOL! She GOT pregnant. I love the use of the passive in that sentence. I don't suppose anyone could explain how "it happened."

Not to throw gasoline on the grill, but that little StarJet is cute. I bet the LA guys would troubleshoot it . . .

"three shalt thou count, and the number of the counting shalt be three."

Ok,
Don't they make ceramic cloth (it would have to be the lightest weight possible)? And it could wrap all the way around the tank in the critical areas and be stitched together and resined in place. Or maybe it could cover the critical areas and be stitched to a substrate underneath the foam, around the perimeter of a large area, so that if a chunk dislodges it is contained within the much larger "net", so to speak.

Since I know what your response is going to be about stitching to a substrate under the foam, let me clarify what I mean. The substrate would be an appropriate cloth type material underneath the foam that would go all the way around the tank. Then the upper "net" would attach to it around the perimeter of the critical area, and even additional areas inside the perimeter.

Mark,

I think he is going to get Boeing, Northrup-Grumman, Lockheed, or perhaps even Cessna to purchase his full scale Starjet at, shall we say, a cool 1,000,000 dollars. Realizing that it consists of only outer skins of the finest pre-preg, they will be required to design and build all of the interior structural components, design and build all tooling required to produce and assemble the structural components, test the dynamic and static loads of the components and integrated structure, perform aerodynamic testing, electrical and systems testing, stall testing and lastly getting it certified by the FAA. Tracy will then buy it back for the 1,000,000....I already see visions of the cover from Air and Space........

Tracy, trying not to stay off topic. For multiple reasons (not the least of which are thermal and aero-elasticity. Remember sucker done goes FAST!!!) that we can discuss off line, none of that will work. Been there, studied all of that!

Has this starjet flown with a prop on it, or at all? Are there any plans that
show how its built, with complete loads and calculations, and methods of
construction, including complete measurements. If you have that, stick that up
here, that should keep everyone here entertained.

Personally, I think it looks great, but so do the bricks on my house,
and the tail looks a little iffy to me, and if that was the case, well,
it would be like flying a brick!

Let the aerospace guys, see if its even plausible to fly.

Hey, Eddie, is there an after photo of that wing under your tire?