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Mark,
I think he is going to get Boeing, Northrup-Grumman, Lockheed, or perhaps even Cessna to purchase his full scale Starjet at, shall we say, a cool 1,000,000 dollars. Realizing that it consists of only outer skins of the finest pre-preg, they will be required to design and build all of the interior structural components, design and build all tooling required to produce and assemble the structural components, test the dynamic and static loads of the components and integrated structure, perform aerodynamic testing, electrical and systems testing, stall testing and lastly getting it certified by the FAA. Tracy will then buy it back for the 1,000,000....I already see visions of the cover from Air and Space........
Mark,
I think he is going to get Boeing, Northrup-Grumman, Lockheed, or perhaps even Cessna to purchase his full scale Starjet at, shall we say, a cool 1,000,000 dollars. Realizing that it consists of only outer skins of the finest pre-preg, they will be required to design and build all of the interior structural components, design and build all tooling required to produce and assemble the structural components, test the dynamic and static loads of the components and integrated structure, perform aerodynamic testing, electrical and systems testing, stall testing and lastly getting it certified by the FAA. Tracy will then buy it back for the 1,000,000....I already see visions of the cover from Air and Space........
By the way, we are going to have the hot tub on gimbals, so the whole thing can move and the water won't slosh out during high-g manooooovering.
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"LOL! She GOT pregnant. I love the use of the passive in that sentence. I don't suppose anyone could explain how "it happened.""
Certainly none of those rocket geeks could explain how it happens! Quite often, guys who can design Mars Snoopers cannot figure out how to unhook a bra strap, or are just too "busy" with Dungeons and Dragons to find the OPPORTUNITY to unhook one...
"LOL! She GOT pregnant. I love the use of the passive in that sentence. I don't suppose anyone could explain how "it happened.""
Certainly none of those rocket geeks could explain how it happens! Quite often, guys who can design Mars Snoopers cannot figure out how to unhook a bra strap, or are just too "busy" with Dungeons and Dragons to find the OPPORTUNITY to unhook one...
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WOW!...................Now don't get me wrong.................I'm not trying to be judgmental or anything, but I've been around just a little bit, including the W.O.R.K.S field in Dayton, Dave Brown (who actually lives in Cincinnati), and Flight Level 510. I'm having a problem with the visual of:
A "Seventh Day Adventist"- EASYTIGER - Playboy Bunnies - Hot Tub - High Altitude Jet built in a basement by an ex-ATC specialist.
Just mind numbing!
Tracy,
I think that you should make a deal with NASA that is similar to your Glascat deal with the guys down in Dixie.....Why don't you build a Shuttle External tank to your specifications for NASA and let them try it on the next STS mission. If it doesn't work....No charge....If it works, they give you a $1,000,000. That way you can use up all that pre-preg.
Hey, here's any idea. Maybe you could contract Jet Joe to build the engine for your Bunny Flyer!
Now, back to spraying carcinogens for me..................
Tailwinds,
John
A "Seventh Day Adventist"- EASYTIGER - Playboy Bunnies - Hot Tub - High Altitude Jet built in a basement by an ex-ATC specialist.
Just mind numbing!
Tracy,
I think that you should make a deal with NASA that is similar to your Glascat deal with the guys down in Dixie.....Why don't you build a Shuttle External tank to your specifications for NASA and let them try it on the next STS mission. If it doesn't work....No charge....If it works, they give you a $1,000,000. That way you can use up all that pre-preg.
Hey, here's any idea. Maybe you could contract Jet Joe to build the engine for your Bunny Flyer!
Now, back to spraying carcinogens for me..................
Tailwinds,
John
#104

Can ceramic cloth take the heat? If the underlying wrap was Kevlar, with spaced wrinkles for expansion or contraction, then it wouldn't be subject to aerodynamic heating, and the outer ceramic cloth would attach to it. What is the max temperature of the external surface? Just out of curiousity, what is your actual job, as in what NASA equipment are you responsible for or working on. It would be an amazing coincidence if I offered suggestions via telephone and you are actually working on the tank. What kind of fix are they talking about, a different kind of adhesive?
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Mark,
One final suggestion then I won't bother you anymore. What if they put on 85% of the foam, THEN put Kevlar over it THEN apply the remaining 15% of the foam. That way the majority is contained and the Kevlar is not subject to heating. Even if an outer piece of foam detaches it would be too small to cause any problem.
One final suggestion then I won't bother you anymore. What if they put on 85% of the foam, THEN put Kevlar over it THEN apply the remaining 15% of the foam. That way the majority is contained and the Kevlar is not subject to heating. Even if an outer piece of foam detaches it would be too small to cause any problem.
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John,
About the engine, Playboy will probably opt to go with the Williams International FJ-44, which powers the smallest Cessna Citation Business Jet. The engine would be around $400,000. A professionally rebuilt GE J-85 would only cost around $85,000 (as used in the smallest Lear Jet, T-38, and ViperJet out of Pasco, Wa. www.viperjet.com) but it is a fuel hog and old technology. I'm sure Hugh Hefner would want the airplane to have the latest and greatest, regardless of the cost.
About the engine, Playboy will probably opt to go with the Williams International FJ-44, which powers the smallest Cessna Citation Business Jet. The engine would be around $400,000. A professionally rebuilt GE J-85 would only cost around $85,000 (as used in the smallest Lear Jet, T-38, and ViperJet out of Pasco, Wa. www.viperjet.com) but it is a fuel hog and old technology. I'm sure Hugh Hefner would want the airplane to have the latest and greatest, regardless of the cost.
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Actually flying over the Mansion with some playmates in the hot tub mounted on gimbals is totally possible in Hef's 727 (not the Mach 2.5, though, can't have everything). I actually know two of Paul Allen's pilots, and with Paul's big bucks we might even be able to accomplish the Mach 2.5 part of it. I've been inside the BBJ (Boeing Business Jet, which is a custom 737) and THAT is amazing. Showers, conference room, bedroom, the whole nine yards. I think Hef might be getting one and I will just borrow it to entertain the playmates once in a while. I have all my full-scale pilot ratings, but I'll have to have someone else do the flying so I can stay in back. Oh, well, what has to be done has to be done.
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Does anyone know how I can get popcorn delivered to my house? It's raining pretty hard outside and besides that, I don't want to miss anything.
Does anyone know how I can get popcorn delivered to my house? It's raining pretty hard outside and besides that, I don't want to miss anything.
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I'm just now reading this, I'm not sure what to say yet. Somehow I missed this thread and am playing catch up. Since there are several pages, I went ahead and grabbed a beer. Screw the popcorn.
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This is even better then the RCJET list email saga a few years back.
Sean, you always wondered about the Tracy moments on the list. Are you tuning in now?
JR
This is even better then the RCJET list email saga a few years back.
Sean, you always wondered about the Tracy moments on the list. Are you tuning in now?
JR
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Wowsers,
Matt, your post is beyond hilarious. Poser class of your own.
I have waited three freakin years to find out what the hell a "glass cat" was, and I have to say this was well worth the wait.
Tracy, you are incredible, I sure hope to someday see you at a jet meet flying your own design. That would make my whole millinium as it relates to participating in remote control "turbine" powered models.
All the best,
Sean
Matt, your post is beyond hilarious. Poser class of your own.
I have waited three freakin years to find out what the hell a "glass cat" was, and I have to say this was well worth the wait.
Tracy, you are incredible, I sure hope to someday see you at a jet meet flying your own design. That would make my whole millinium as it relates to participating in remote control "turbine" powered models.
All the best,
Sean
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Sean,
Well, Tracy was at FL jets a few years ago, selling FL Jets coffee mugs
he had made for that event, (oh, yeah and did I mention, Frank T, had no idea
this was being done, Tracy did it all on his own, went out and had
all these mugs made without Frank's consent, I still can't believe
Frank did not eject him and his coffee mugs).
But I doubt you'll see him flying.
Well, Tracy was at FL jets a few years ago, selling FL Jets coffee mugs
he had made for that event, (oh, yeah and did I mention, Frank T, had no idea
this was being done, Tracy did it all on his own, went out and had
all these mugs made without Frank's consent, I still can't believe
Frank did not eject him and his coffee mugs).
But I doubt you'll see him flying.
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I too, like Sean, have just stumbled on this page. I am on RCU all the time but have just blew past this thread because I dont really have the time to read everything....So for the past hour I have been sitting in this chair playing catch up.
All I can say is "DAMN"
I dont have any input on this topic, but just wanted to pop in say Im with Matt... Keep it coming, and dont make him stop!
It doesnt appear that anyone can say anything that will make Tracy go away, the stories just keep getting better and better.
I need to get back to work now...those of you that know me can understand how much respect I got for Tracy throwing a couple of pubes in with the canopy layup!! By the way bud.........that was my idea first, and I want a Million dollars for the copyrights.......I will however settle out of court for a first class seat abord the playboy autopilot hot tub on gyro's shag machine.....Hopefully it will be done before I need to take those little blue pills for the "Test Hop"!
Enjoying this waaaay too much,
Dave
All I can say is "DAMN"
I dont have any input on this topic, but just wanted to pop in say Im with Matt... Keep it coming, and dont make him stop!
It doesnt appear that anyone can say anything that will make Tracy go away, the stories just keep getting better and better.
I need to get back to work now...those of you that know me can understand how much respect I got for Tracy throwing a couple of pubes in with the canopy layup!! By the way bud.........that was my idea first, and I want a Million dollars for the copyrights.......I will however settle out of court for a first class seat abord the playboy autopilot hot tub on gyro's shag machine.....Hopefully it will be done before I need to take those little blue pills for the "Test Hop"!
Enjoying this waaaay too much,
Dave
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You just can't buy entertainment like this!
Tracy, I can not tell you the temp of the external surface during ascent. It is dependent on many variables, not the least of which the material on the surface (different emmissivity rates, etc.). But I can tell you it ranges from damn hot to WOW, and even hotter (up to 3000 deg. F on the orbiter on entry, but the ET ain't that hot). It would take far too long to explain why all of that won't work here. Just take my word for it, its all been looked at MANY times.
I am a stress analyst (structural engineer) for the components on the ET (propulsion lines, cable trays, etc.). I do not do TPS (Thermal Protection System), but am exposed to TPS analysis daily. For the RTF (Return To Flight ) effort, I was team lead for the LO2 Feedline Bellows Ice Elimination team. The last 2.5 years have been hell, but it was worth staying alive for this thread!
Tracy, I can not tell you the temp of the external surface during ascent. It is dependent on many variables, not the least of which the material on the surface (different emmissivity rates, etc.). But I can tell you it ranges from damn hot to WOW, and even hotter (up to 3000 deg. F on the orbiter on entry, but the ET ain't that hot). It would take far too long to explain why all of that won't work here. Just take my word for it, its all been looked at MANY times.
I am a stress analyst (structural engineer) for the components on the ET (propulsion lines, cable trays, etc.). I do not do TPS (Thermal Protection System), but am exposed to TPS analysis daily. For the RTF (Return To Flight ) effort, I was team lead for the LO2 Feedline Bellows Ice Elimination team. The last 2.5 years have been hell, but it was worth staying alive for this thread!
#119

Wow! That's pretty cool. Seeing my design on someone else's computer on MY computer. Who woulda ever thunk it?
You guys don't actually doubt that Rob Hilburger from Playboy contacted me, do you? Everything I have said is true. I was a controller at Boeing Field in Seattle, where the Museum of Flight is, and did meet Buzz Aldrin. As a matter of fact I will try to find the small photo of me talking to him and scan it in and post it. My buddy WAS married to Veronica Gamba. He also wrote a book entitled "Keeping unusual animals as pets", which you can find on the Internet if you do a search. He was also on the Gong Show and did a number with a "Lizard on my Head". I never saw it but some of you might have.
When I was in the US Navy in Liverpool, England in 1978 I was driven around by a cabbie who said he was Ringo Starr's cousin. He said the Beatles never did anything financially for relatives, except bring everyone to the wedding of Paul MCartney and Linda. I also had a lady on my boat in Northern Idaho in 1991 who was in a bikini contest in Panama City, Florida with Marla Maples. Marla won first place and my friend Marina won second. Marina also ran into Stevie Nicks in a restroom in Arizona, if I remember correctly at a shopping mall.
Back in about 1993 I was at a local ShopKo store and lo and behold there was David Soul Christmas shopping for his kids. There was an insecticide spill in the store and everyone had to leave, but he was allowed to go through and check his stuff out. Everyone wondered if they were making a movie in the area, but I guess his kids live here with his ex-wife. Our Air Traffic Controller lawsuit against the FAA is in the US Court of Federal Claims in D.C. The court was started at the urging of President Lincoln. How about that! My great, great, grandmother was Prudence Lincoln, Abraham's cousin. Little did he know that he was starting a court that would make the government pay a decendant of his cousin $135,000 in back pay and attorney fees. Like I said, truth is stranger than fiction.
One of these days I will give each and every one of you a ride in the Playboy Jet. All I can say right now is that they are VERY interested, and I am very confident that it will be done. I am surprised that they haven't thought of it before, but maybe they were not excited about a design until now.
If the FAA would have set my pay correctly I would now be making $120,000 per year in Seattle. The Federal Judge can ORDER the FAA to hire me back, despite the hiring freeze. He can also make them pay me all the money I would have made if I wouldn't have had to quit to use part of my retirement fund for the lawsuit. I expect to get half of what I would have made in the last 2.5 years. So let's see, that's $135,000, plus $140,000, plus the job back at $120,000 per year, plus the other controllers have agreed to pay me a percentage of their back pay, so that's another $100,000, and then I'll charge Playboy a fee for the design rights, and I will take a percentage of each full-size kit sale, and after I retire from the FAA in two years I will take charge of the StarJet production company, working for Playboy, or maybe go fly for the regional airlines for ten years. Haven't decided on that one yet. Oh, by the way, when I and the other controllers have a BIG party in Las Vegas, each with an average of $80,000 in back pay, I'll invite all who are on this thread right now! Pay for your airline ticket but everything else is FREE!
You guys don't actually doubt that Rob Hilburger from Playboy contacted me, do you? Everything I have said is true. I was a controller at Boeing Field in Seattle, where the Museum of Flight is, and did meet Buzz Aldrin. As a matter of fact I will try to find the small photo of me talking to him and scan it in and post it. My buddy WAS married to Veronica Gamba. He also wrote a book entitled "Keeping unusual animals as pets", which you can find on the Internet if you do a search. He was also on the Gong Show and did a number with a "Lizard on my Head". I never saw it but some of you might have.
When I was in the US Navy in Liverpool, England in 1978 I was driven around by a cabbie who said he was Ringo Starr's cousin. He said the Beatles never did anything financially for relatives, except bring everyone to the wedding of Paul MCartney and Linda. I also had a lady on my boat in Northern Idaho in 1991 who was in a bikini contest in Panama City, Florida with Marla Maples. Marla won first place and my friend Marina won second. Marina also ran into Stevie Nicks in a restroom in Arizona, if I remember correctly at a shopping mall.
Back in about 1993 I was at a local ShopKo store and lo and behold there was David Soul Christmas shopping for his kids. There was an insecticide spill in the store and everyone had to leave, but he was allowed to go through and check his stuff out. Everyone wondered if they were making a movie in the area, but I guess his kids live here with his ex-wife. Our Air Traffic Controller lawsuit against the FAA is in the US Court of Federal Claims in D.C. The court was started at the urging of President Lincoln. How about that! My great, great, grandmother was Prudence Lincoln, Abraham's cousin. Little did he know that he was starting a court that would make the government pay a decendant of his cousin $135,000 in back pay and attorney fees. Like I said, truth is stranger than fiction.
One of these days I will give each and every one of you a ride in the Playboy Jet. All I can say right now is that they are VERY interested, and I am very confident that it will be done. I am surprised that they haven't thought of it before, but maybe they were not excited about a design until now.
If the FAA would have set my pay correctly I would now be making $120,000 per year in Seattle. The Federal Judge can ORDER the FAA to hire me back, despite the hiring freeze. He can also make them pay me all the money I would have made if I wouldn't have had to quit to use part of my retirement fund for the lawsuit. I expect to get half of what I would have made in the last 2.5 years. So let's see, that's $135,000, plus $140,000, plus the job back at $120,000 per year, plus the other controllers have agreed to pay me a percentage of their back pay, so that's another $100,000, and then I'll charge Playboy a fee for the design rights, and I will take a percentage of each full-size kit sale, and after I retire from the FAA in two years I will take charge of the StarJet production company, working for Playboy, or maybe go fly for the regional airlines for ten years. Haven't decided on that one yet. Oh, by the way, when I and the other controllers have a BIG party in Las Vegas, each with an average of $80,000 in back pay, I'll invite all who are on this thread right now! Pay for your airline ticket but everything else is FREE!
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Kelly Clarkson, this is the best thread ever!
Put me down for that free Vegas party!
Hey, while working as a lineboy in Laramie Wyoming I once fueled up Sam Walton's twin when he flew in to do a surprise check of the Walmart store. Another time I fueled and then hand propped Leo Laudenslager's plane. And, I met Walter Cronkite when he came in to do a story on a big dinosaur find in the area. Crazy huh? Truth is stranger than fiction!
Put me down for that free Vegas party!
Hey, while working as a lineboy in Laramie Wyoming I once fueled up Sam Walton's twin when he flew in to do a surprise check of the Walmart store. Another time I fueled and then hand propped Leo Laudenslager's plane. And, I met Walter Cronkite when he came in to do a story on a big dinosaur find in the area. Crazy huh? Truth is stranger than fiction!



