Bob Cat Copy Falcon 120 Jet
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RE: Bob Cat Copy Falcon 120 Jet
ORIGINAL: ticketec
According to your website, the retracts are 399 euros, nothing stated about local taxes,
http://shop.digitech-turbines.com/pr...t4olb2qaeaccf6
Plug that figure into XE converter and out comes:
$592.914 USD,
And still not sure if that comes with any valves, airtanks etc... if it does, then that's a pretty good price.
Thanks
dave
ORIGINAL: digitech
i am not sure how you count
but ours are 499 usd
i think you are adding the local taxes wich are 19%
our shipping is 35 euro,s worldwide.
we have trailing oleo,s on all our sets....
i am not sure how you count
but ours are 499 usd
i think you are adding the local taxes wich are 19%
our shipping is 35 euro,s worldwide.
we have trailing oleo,s on all our sets....
According to your website, the retracts are 399 euros, nothing stated about local taxes,
http://shop.digitech-turbines.com/pr...t4olb2qaeaccf6
Plug that figure into XE converter and out comes:
$592.914 USD,
And still not sure if that comes with any valves, airtanks etc... if it does, then that's a pretty good price.
Thanks
dave
Pro-Lynx Falcon 120 Complete set [PL-Falcon 120] €399.00
Click to enlarge
Falcon 120 DROP in Set
This complete set from Pro-lynx has been designed from the ground up.
this small and very light set has come out of a few years experiance we had with designing this gears.
the final part is this with heavy duty brakes , tyres , wheels , and the proven trailing oleo,s in the front and mains.
Standard the set comes with:
Front gear and Main Gear
wheels and brakes
"De Luxe"option contains :
set of electronic valves instead of the Manual valves
incl electrnic brake valve!
the electronic valves are simple on/off sort
no programming needed!
So im sure if you want every thing it's going to cost more then 399.
#2952
RE: Bob Cat Copy Falcon 120 Jet
Well
Here is a link to a you tubevideo of my super falcon 120 turbine converted with a JJ-1400
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg8ID6B1JpY
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg8ID6B1JpY[/youtube]
Here is a link to a you tubevideo of my super falcon 120 turbine converted with a JJ-1400
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg8ID6B1JpY
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg8ID6B1JpY[/youtube]
#2954
RE: Bob Cat Copy Falcon 120 Jet
The clue is under DeLuxe set:
''De Luxe''option contains :
set of electronic valves instead of the Manual valves
The standard set comes with manual valves and the deluxe set comes with electronic valves.
Mike
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RE: Bob Cat Copy Falcon 120 Jet
Dom, the retracts are Robart RS550, which are air up/down. The main wheels and brakes are Trim 70mm and nose is 60mm. They cost about $195 complete with proportional brake valve and all fittings. They work really well. I would not use any thing other than trailing link type oleos on this model, because of the design of the wing, even after reinforcing.
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RE: Bob Cat Copy Falcon 120 Jet
ORIGINAL: BaldEagel
The clue is under DeLuxe set:
''De Luxe''option contains :
set of electronic valves instead of the Manual valves
The standard set comes with manual valves and the deluxe set comes with electronic valves.
Mike
The clue is under DeLuxe set:
''De Luxe''option contains :
set of electronic valves instead of the Manual valves
The standard set comes with manual valves and the deluxe set comes with electronic valves.
Mike
I wouldn't be so sure Baldeagel.... Digitech were advertising their retracts here on RCU for $475 without any valves etc less than a month ago. when he PM'd me about them and i asked the the question and the difference between their offering and Dreamworks here is part of the response i received.
"Ours is 475 usd without airset (everyone wants to do their own idea) To be honnest the original airset that Comes from airpower is not all that good.
I recommend you go electronic. "
Fair enough, but his current offerings are a really good deal if he has dropped his price by $75 and is now offering the airset with it as well. I have asked a few times on my other posts if it included the valves but so far no response.
Thanks
dave
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RE: Bob Cat Copy Falcon 120 Jet
ORIGINAL: ticketec
I wouldn't be so sure Baldeagel.... Digitech were advertising their retracts here on RCU for $475 without any valves etc less than a month ago. when he PM'd me about them and i asked the the question and the difference between their offering and Dreamworks here is part of the response i received.
''Ours is 475 usd without airset (everyone wants to do their own idea) To be honnest the original airset that Comes from airpower is not all that good.
I recommend you go electronic. ''
Fair enough, but his current offerings are a really good deal if he has dropped his price by $75 and is now offering the airset with it as well. I have asked a few times on my other posts if it included the valves but so far no response.
Thanks
ORIGINAL: BaldEagel
The clue is under DeLuxe set:
''De Luxe''option contains :
set of electronic valves instead of the Manual valves
The standard set comes with manual valves and the deluxe set comes with electronic valves.
Mike
The clue is under DeLuxe set:
''De Luxe''option contains :
set of electronic valves instead of the Manual valves
The standard set comes with manual valves and the deluxe set comes with electronic valves.
Mike
I wouldn't be so sure Baldeagel.... Digitech were advertising their retracts here on RCU for $475 without any valves etc less than a month ago. when he PM'd me about them and i asked the the question and the difference between their offering and Dreamworks here is part of the response i received.
''Ours is 475 usd without airset (everyone wants to do their own idea) To be honnest the original airset that Comes from airpower is not all that good.
I recommend you go electronic. ''
Fair enough, but his current offerings are a really good deal if he has dropped his price by $75 and is now offering the airset with it as well. I have asked a few times on my other posts if it included the valves but so far no response.
Thanks
dave
that is correct , but was including shipping worldwide.
as for your second and third emails , i get over 100 emails a day , the ones in my mailbox (exchange) get priority.
if there is time left i check the ones on rcuniverse , sometimes i do not .
sorry this is the way it is.
let clear this mess up
the normal set sold by the competition is 475,-usd these have the "hydraulic"strait bubblegum allumium oleo,s. but WITH manual airset .
we sell the set including TRAILING oleo,s for 399 usd without airset.(you get lifetime warranty on the oleo,s)
my "competition"sell the set with trailing oleo,s for 599 usd this is with a manual airset!
i sell the same combo but WITH all electronic valves and electronic gauges for 599,-us.
i hope it clears it up
now here is the thing :
all these prices including the us one,s have NO vat included , this means if you live inside europe you HAVE to pay your local tax when it enters your country.
in real life this means i as a seller i have to take that 19% on top of that price to sell it within europe.
if you live outside europe there is no need to pay taxes here , BUT i am sure you will need to pay on your end as soon as it enters your country.
now all the prices you see on my webpage are INCLUDING local tax , so if you are from outer space or anywhere EXEPT in europe there is no need to pay me any taxes.
and deduct these from the total price.
shipping worldwide is 35 euro,s
i hope there is a end to it all , if you dont want to spend on a A1 quality sett wich has been sold by the thousands ,then go for that standard chinese crap steel set that comes with it.
Sandor out.
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RE: Bob Cat Copy Falcon 120 Jet
What size are you looking for?
Try this site ........ www.buddengineering.com
This place also has many ... http://www.pbgcomposites.com/product...arbonTubes.htm
High quality tube and socket.
Derrick
Try this site ........ www.buddengineering.com
This place also has many ... http://www.pbgcomposites.com/product...arbonTubes.htm
High quality tube and socket.
Derrick
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RE: Bob Cat Copy Falcon 120 Jet
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Description
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Metric
PBG15T
16mm x 260mm-Tube Only
0.75mm
PBG16T
16mm x 400mm-Tube Only
0.75mm
24g
PL Prod - Smaragd
PBG24T
24mm x 650mm -Tube Only
0.9mm
63g
PBG24TS
24mm x 650mm -Tube & Socket
0.9mm
87g
2M Pattern
PBG25T
25mm x 760mm - Tube Only
0.75mm
67g
2M Pattern
PBG25TS
25mm x 760mm - Tube & Socket
0.75mm
93g
IMAC 90"
PBG30T
30mm x 900mm - Tube Only
0.85mm
120g
IMAC 90"
PBG30TS
30mm x 900mm - Tube & Socket
0.85mm
200g
Comp-Arf Extra 2x2
PBG31T
30mm x 733mm - Tube Only
0.85mm
99g
PBG32T
30mm x 600mm - Tube Only
0.85mm
81g
NEW !!! - F3A Lightwall 30mm
PBG36T
30mm x 600mm - Tube Only
0.75mm
62g
NEW !!! - F3A Lightwall 30mm
PBG36TS
30mm x 600mm - Tube & Socket
0.75mm
87g
IMAC 100"
PBG40T
40mm x 900mm - Tube Only
1.2mm
210g
IMAC 100"
PBG40TS
40mm x 900mm - Tube & Socket
1.2mm
322g
Comp-Arf Yak 2.6
PBG41T
40mm x 975mm - Tube Only
1.2mm
250g
IMAC 100"
PBG42T
40mm x 1050mm - Tube Only
1.2mm
273g
IMAC 100"
PBG42TS
40mm x 1050mm - Tube & Socket
1.2mm
401g
IMAC/TOC 130"
PBG50T
50mm x 1200mm - Tube Only
1.5mm
440g
IMAC/TOC 130"
PBG50TS
50mm x 1200mm - Tube & Socket
1.5mm
700g
IMAC/TOC 130"
PBG51T
50mm x 1320mm - Tube Only
1.5mm
505g
IMAC/TOC 130"
PBG52T
50mm x 1000mm - Tube Only
1.5
386g
Imperial
Tail Plane Joiner
PBG90TS
7/16" x 12" - Tube & Socket
0.035"
15g
Tail Plane Joiner
PBG92TS
7/16" x 24" - Tube & Socket
0.035"
30g
Tail Plane Joiner
PBG95TS
1/2" x 12" - Tube & Socket
0.035"
18g
Tail Plane Joiner
PBG96TS
1/2" x 24" - Tube & Socket
0.035"
36g
Stab for Comp-Arf 2.3 Extra
PBG17T
5/8" x 270mm Tube only
0.75mm
12g
Small Wing / Large Stab
PBG97T
5/8" x 20" - Tube Only
0.035"
28g
Small Wing / Large Stab
PBG97TS
5/8" x 20" - Tube & Socket
0.035"
43g
Small Wing / Large Stab
PBG101T
3/4" x 30" - Tube Only
0.035"
48g
Small Wing / Large Stab
PBG101TS
3/4" x 30" - Tube & Socket
0.035"
73g
2m Pattern
PBG103T
7/8" x 30" - Tube Only
0.035"
55g
2m Pattern
PBG103TS
7/8" x 30" - Tube & Socket
0.035"
83g
2m Pattern
PBG105T
7/8" x 36" - Tube Only
0.035"
66g
2m Pattern
PBG105TS
7/8" x 36" - Tube & Socket
0.035"
100g
2m Pattern
PBG107T
1" x 30" - Tube Only
0.035"
64g
2m Pattern
PBG107TS
1" x 30" - Tube & Socket
0.035"
100g
2m Pattern
PBG109T
1" x 36" - Tube Only
0.035"
76g
2m Pattern
PBG109TS
1" x 36" - Tube & Socket
0.035"
120g
IMAC 90" Light Wall
PBG110T
1¼" x 36" - Tube Only
0.035"
120g
IMAC 90" Light Wall
PBG110TS
1¼" x 36" - Tube & Socket
0.035"
210g
IMAC 90"
PBG111T
1¼" x 36" - Tube Only
0.044"
171g
IMAC 90"
PBG111TS
1¼" x 36" - Tube & Socket
0.044"
274g
IMAC 90"
PBG113T
1¼" x 42" - Tube Only
0.044"
198g
IMAC 90"
PBG113TS
1¼" x 42" - Tube & Socket
0.044"
320g
IMAC 100" Light Wall
PBG121T
1½" x 36" - Tube Only
0.044"
170g
IMAC 100" Light Wall
PBG121TS
1½" x 36" - Tube & Socket
0.044"
290g
IMAC 100" Light Wall
PBG123T
1½" x 42" - Tube Only
0.044"
200g
IMAC 100" Light Wall
PBG123TS
1½" x 42" - Tube & Socket
0.044"
338g
IMAC 100" Medium Wall
PBG131T
1½" x 48" - Tube Only
0.062"
330g
IMAC 100" Medium Wall
PBG131TS
1½" x 48" - Tube & Socket
0.062"
490g
IMAC/TOC 130" (Heavy Wall)
PBG141T
1½" x 42" - Tube Only
0.078"
385g
IMAC/TOC 130" (Heavy Wall)
PBG141TS
1½" x 42" - Tube & Socket
0.078"
525g
IMAC/TOC 130" (Heavy Wall)
PBG143T
1½" x 48" - Tube Only
0.078"
440g
IMAC/TOC 130" (Heavy Wall)
PBG143TS
1½" x 48" - Tube & Socket
0.078"
600g
IMAC/TOC 130"
PBG147T
1¾" x 48" - Tube Only
0.070"
312g
IMAC/TOC 130"
PBG151T
2" x 42" - Tube Only
0.066"
400g
IMAC/TOC 130"
PBG151TS
2" x 42" - Tube & Socket
0.066"
740g
IMAC/TOC 130"
PBG153T
2" x 48" - Tube Only
0.066"
440g
IMAC/TOC 130"
PBG153TS
2" x 48" - Tube & Socket
0.066"
850g
IMAC/TOC 150"
PBG190
2.5" Diametre - Price on application
Carbon Plate Uni at 90°
PBG250U
210mm x 160mm
2mm
120g
Carbon Plate Woven Finish
PBG250WF
210mm x 160mm
2mm
120g
Hand Launch Glider. Very Stiff
PBG280
12.6 - 7.2mm x 950mm
12g
Conduit (extention leads)
PBG300
5/8" x 36" Tube
23g
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Description
Wall Weight (grams)
Metric
PBG15T
16mm x 260mm-Tube Only
0.75mm
PBG16T
16mm x 400mm-Tube Only
0.75mm
24g
PL Prod - Smaragd
PBG24T
24mm x 650mm -Tube Only
0.9mm
63g
PBG24TS
24mm x 650mm -Tube & Socket
0.9mm
87g
2M Pattern
PBG25T
25mm x 760mm - Tube Only
0.75mm
67g
2M Pattern
PBG25TS
25mm x 760mm - Tube & Socket
0.75mm
93g
IMAC 90"
PBG30T
30mm x 900mm - Tube Only
0.85mm
120g
IMAC 90"
PBG30TS
30mm x 900mm - Tube & Socket
0.85mm
200g
Comp-Arf Extra 2x2
PBG31T
30mm x 733mm - Tube Only
0.85mm
99g
PBG32T
30mm x 600mm - Tube Only
0.85mm
81g
NEW !!! - F3A Lightwall 30mm
PBG36T
30mm x 600mm - Tube Only
0.75mm
62g
NEW !!! - F3A Lightwall 30mm
PBG36TS
30mm x 600mm - Tube & Socket
0.75mm
87g
IMAC 100"
PBG40T
40mm x 900mm - Tube Only
1.2mm
210g
IMAC 100"
PBG40TS
40mm x 900mm - Tube & Socket
1.2mm
322g
Comp-Arf Yak 2.6
PBG41T
40mm x 975mm - Tube Only
1.2mm
250g
IMAC 100"
PBG42T
40mm x 1050mm - Tube Only
1.2mm
273g
IMAC 100"
PBG42TS
40mm x 1050mm - Tube & Socket
1.2mm
401g
IMAC/TOC 130"
PBG50T
50mm x 1200mm - Tube Only
1.5mm
440g
IMAC/TOC 130"
PBG50TS
50mm x 1200mm - Tube & Socket
1.5mm
700g
IMAC/TOC 130"
PBG51T
50mm x 1320mm - Tube Only
1.5mm
505g
IMAC/TOC 130"
PBG52T
50mm x 1000mm - Tube Only
1.5
386g
Imperial
Tail Plane Joiner
PBG90TS
7/16" x 12" - Tube & Socket
0.035"
15g
Tail Plane Joiner
PBG92TS
7/16" x 24" - Tube & Socket
0.035"
30g
Tail Plane Joiner
PBG95TS
1/2" x 12" - Tube & Socket
0.035"
18g
Tail Plane Joiner
PBG96TS
1/2" x 24" - Tube & Socket
0.035"
36g
Stab for Comp-Arf 2.3 Extra
PBG17T
5/8" x 270mm Tube only
0.75mm
12g
Small Wing / Large Stab
PBG97T
5/8" x 20" - Tube Only
0.035"
28g
Small Wing / Large Stab
PBG97TS
5/8" x 20" - Tube & Socket
0.035"
43g
Small Wing / Large Stab
PBG101T
3/4" x 30" - Tube Only
0.035"
48g
Small Wing / Large Stab
PBG101TS
3/4" x 30" - Tube & Socket
0.035"
73g
2m Pattern
PBG103T
7/8" x 30" - Tube Only
0.035"
55g
2m Pattern
PBG103TS
7/8" x 30" - Tube & Socket
0.035"
83g
2m Pattern
PBG105T
7/8" x 36" - Tube Only
0.035"
66g
2m Pattern
PBG105TS
7/8" x 36" - Tube & Socket
0.035"
100g
2m Pattern
PBG107T
1" x 30" - Tube Only
0.035"
64g
2m Pattern
PBG107TS
1" x 30" - Tube & Socket
0.035"
100g
2m Pattern
PBG109T
1" x 36" - Tube Only
0.035"
76g
2m Pattern
PBG109TS
1" x 36" - Tube & Socket
0.035"
120g
IMAC 90" Light Wall
PBG110T
1¼" x 36" - Tube Only
0.035"
120g
IMAC 90" Light Wall
PBG110TS
1¼" x 36" - Tube & Socket
0.035"
210g
IMAC 90"
PBG111T
1¼" x 36" - Tube Only
0.044"
171g
IMAC 90"
PBG111TS
1¼" x 36" - Tube & Socket
0.044"
274g
IMAC 90"
PBG113T
1¼" x 42" - Tube Only
0.044"
198g
IMAC 90"
PBG113TS
1¼" x 42" - Tube & Socket
0.044"
320g
IMAC 100" Light Wall
PBG121T
1½" x 36" - Tube Only
0.044"
170g
IMAC 100" Light Wall
PBG121TS
1½" x 36" - Tube & Socket
0.044"
290g
IMAC 100" Light Wall
PBG123T
1½" x 42" - Tube Only
0.044"
200g
IMAC 100" Light Wall
PBG123TS
1½" x 42" - Tube & Socket
0.044"
338g
IMAC 100" Medium Wall
PBG131T
1½" x 48" - Tube Only
0.062"
330g
IMAC 100" Medium Wall
PBG131TS
1½" x 48" - Tube & Socket
0.062"
490g
IMAC/TOC 130" (Heavy Wall)
PBG141T
1½" x 42" - Tube Only
0.078"
385g
IMAC/TOC 130" (Heavy Wall)
PBG141TS
1½" x 42" - Tube & Socket
0.078"
525g
IMAC/TOC 130" (Heavy Wall)
PBG143T
1½" x 48" - Tube Only
0.078"
440g
IMAC/TOC 130" (Heavy Wall)
PBG143TS
1½" x 48" - Tube & Socket
0.078"
600g
IMAC/TOC 130"
PBG147T
1¾" x 48" - Tube Only
0.070"
312g
IMAC/TOC 130"
PBG151T
2" x 42" - Tube Only
0.066"
400g
IMAC/TOC 130"
PBG151TS
2" x 42" - Tube & Socket
0.066"
740g
IMAC/TOC 130"
PBG153T
2" x 48" - Tube Only
0.066"
440g
IMAC/TOC 130"
PBG153TS
2" x 48" - Tube & Socket
0.066"
850g
IMAC/TOC 150"
PBG190
2.5" Diametre - Price on application
Carbon Plate Uni at 90°
PBG250U
210mm x 160mm
2mm
120g
Carbon Plate Woven Finish
PBG250WF
210mm x 160mm
2mm
120g
Hand Launch Glider. Very Stiff
PBG280
12.6 - 7.2mm x 950mm
12g
Conduit (extention leads)
PBG300
5/8" x 36" Tube
23g
#2962
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RE: Bob Cat Copy Falcon 120 Jet
Thanks for the sites but nobody but Troybuilt has a 20mm diameter wingtube. Problem is that one is too short.
I was trying not to have to hog out all the holes in the plane but now I will have too. I have a 23mm wingtube socket from my pattern plane and Aeroworks sells a 23mm wingtube so I guess i'm tearing old crap out.
BTW I used Citri Strip today and stripped the whole fuse down. Tomorrow I'll sand and prime it. Then I'll probably start glassing the surfaces that don't require any mods.
I was trying not to have to hog out all the holes in the plane but now I will have too. I have a 23mm wingtube socket from my pattern plane and Aeroworks sells a 23mm wingtube so I guess i'm tearing old crap out.
BTW I used Citri Strip today and stripped the whole fuse down. Tomorrow I'll sand and prime it. Then I'll probably start glassing the surfaces that don't require any mods.
#2963
RE: Bob Cat Copy Falcon 120 Jet
You may be able to get away with going smaller, say a 19mm tube wraped in one layer of fibreglass tape, as long as the tube is substantial enough, I have doen this before on a 2.5M IMAC ship and it worked very well, the new tube although smaller was much thicker, as long as what you wrap the tube with is not compresable it should be OK.
Mike
Mike
#2964
RE: Bob Cat Copy Falcon 120 Jet
ORIGINAL: sweetpea01
Thanks for the sites but nobody but Troybuilt has a 20mm diameter wingtube. Problem is that one is too short.
Thanks for the sites but nobody but Troybuilt has a 20mm diameter wingtube. Problem is that one is too short.
http://www.carboncopyuk.com/acatalog/Carbon_Tubes.html
#2967
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RE: Bob Cat Copy Falcon 120 Jet
ORIGINAL: sweetpea01
Still no luck finding the right diamter wingtube. I couldn't even find a wooden dowl locally that would fit the inside of the stock tube.
Still no luck finding the right diamter wingtube. I couldn't even find a wooden dowl locally that would fit the inside of the stock tube.
If you have a friend in Canada have him send you a 17 mm. wood dowel. It will fit perfectly inside the stock aluminum tube.
Joe
#2969
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RE: Bob Cat Copy Falcon 120 Jet
Yep, you sure did enlarge it.
I'm just going to go with the 23mm tube. I have half of what I need and its only $25 for the remainder from Aeroworks. I'll just pull up some of the skin on the wing......its only time.
And you never know.......I like High G turns and the stock tube is crap.
I'm just going to go with the 23mm tube. I have half of what I need and its only $25 for the remainder from Aeroworks. I'll just pull up some of the skin on the wing......its only time.
And you never know.......I like High G turns and the stock tube is crap.
#2970
RE: Bob Cat Copy Falcon 120 Jet
The alternative is to find a carbon rod that fits near enough into the standard tube work out the volume of the existing and new fill with the appropriate amount of epoxy and push the rod inside, even if you do have some voids, it will still be a lot stronger than the original, lots of different ways of doing this, gravity, etc I am sure others can think of some different ones.
Mike
Mike
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RE: Bob Cat Copy Falcon 120 Jet
ORIGINAL: sweetpea01
I'm more worried about the tube bending at the joint where the wing meets the fuse. I've seen cheap chinese tubes do this very easily.
I'll post some pics of the mod.
I'm more worried about the tube bending at the joint where the wing meets the fuse. I've seen cheap chinese tubes do this very easily.
I'll post some pics of the mod.
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RE: Bob Cat Copy Falcon 120 Jet
After a following this thread silently for a couple of years I decided to contribute something from my third build of this great plane. I compiled it into a PDF so that it wouldn't turn into a million posts. Post any comments or questions.
http://www.filedropper.com/falconmkiii
http://www.filedropper.com/falconmkiii