Another Skymaster Viper
02-02-2010 | 10:58 AM
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I know someone else whose flying is ruled by ''er in doors'' keeps getting these stunning models and can't get out to fly them
I know someone else whose flying is ruled by ''er in doors'' keeps getting these stunning models and can't get out to fly them
I also get out flying 3 weekends out of 4, so i'm pretty lucky, either that or unlike Mark, i wear the trousers in our house lol
On the viper, it looks like i made the right decision going with the 160
02-02-2010 | 11:19 AM
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ORIGINAL: Ali
I got to fly two vipers this past weekend. One with P-160 and the other with P-200 power.
P-200 has the edge for sheer vertical power, but as I showed the 160 powered viper could easily go out of site vertical after a straight run ( Not sure how much more vertical than out of sight anyone could want )
The rest of the flight envelope the P-160 buried the P-200.
Lighter
Easier to manage the speed
Much improved slow speed handling. I could really feel the extra weight of the 200 version wanting to bite me in the same low and slow pattern that the 160 version had no trouble with.
More floaty touchdown
Much softer and less aggressive stall. Both version dropped a wing but with the 160 version I could fly out of it ( Catch the wing drop ) 200 version actually went into 1/2 a rotational spin.
Oh and of course the flight times were longer on the 160 version.
The P200 Viper was still a great plane to fly ( So dont get too despondent all you guys that have gone down that route) Its just the lighter version is that much greater.
Ask me if I would ever have a P200 in one of my vipers.........
Nope!
Regards Al
P.S I forgot to mention... We were flying at an elevated field in 30 deg temps with high humidity and the Jet Cat 160 Sx didnt struggle to fly the Viper in anyway!
I got to fly two vipers this past weekend. One with P-160 and the other with P-200 power.
P-200 has the edge for sheer vertical power, but as I showed the 160 powered viper could easily go out of site vertical after a straight run ( Not sure how much more vertical than out of sight anyone could want )
The rest of the flight envelope the P-160 buried the P-200.
Lighter
Easier to manage the speed
Much improved slow speed handling. I could really feel the extra weight of the 200 version wanting to bite me in the same low and slow pattern that the 160 version had no trouble with.
More floaty touchdown
Much softer and less aggressive stall. Both version dropped a wing but with the 160 version I could fly out of it ( Catch the wing drop ) 200 version actually went into 1/2 a rotational spin.
Oh and of course the flight times were longer on the 160 version.
The P200 Viper was still a great plane to fly ( So dont get too despondent all you guys that have gone down that route) Its just the lighter version is that much greater.
Ask me if I would ever have a P200 in one of my vipers.........
Nope! Regards Al
P.S I forgot to mention... We were flying at an elevated field in 30 deg temps with high humidity and the Jet Cat 160 Sx didnt struggle to fly the Viper in anyway!
btw if you have to many 160sx on stock i could use 4 of them , nex delivery is in week 9 ihear
02-02-2010 | 12:33 PM
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RE: Another Skymaster Viper
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I get away with alot Vince, dont worry. In fact the past weekends show the the Dominican is the only one she has said no to so far
I also get out flying 3 weekends out of 4, so i'm pretty lucky, either that or unlike Mark, i wear the trousers in our house lol
On the viper, it looks like i made the right decision going with the 160
ORIGINAL: buckerboy
I know someone else whose flying is ruled by ''er in doors'' keeps getting these stunning models and can't get out to fly them
I know someone else whose flying is ruled by ''er in doors'' keeps getting these stunning models and can't get out to fly them
I also get out flying 3 weekends out of 4, so i'm pretty lucky, either that or unlike Mark, i wear the trousers in our house lol
On the viper, it looks like i made the right decision going with the 160
Cheeky bast**ds!!
After moaning and begging, Ange has agreed to let me go flying more this year!! And who said I didn't wear the trousers?!!! Tsh!!
02-02-2010 | 02:48 PM
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Cheeky bast**ds!!
After moaning and begging, Ange has agreed to let me go flying more this year!! And who said I didn't wear the trousers?!!! Tsh!!
ORIGINAL: Duncan
I get away with alot Vince, dont worry. In fact the past weekends show the the Dominican is the only one she has said no to so far
I also get out flying 3 weekends out of 4, so i'm pretty lucky, either that or unlike Mark, i wear the trousers in our house lol
On the viper, it looks like i made the right decision going with the 160
ORIGINAL: buckerboy
I know someone else whose flying is ruled by ''er in doors'' keeps getting these stunning models and can't get out to fly them
I know someone else whose flying is ruled by ''er in doors'' keeps getting these stunning models and can't get out to fly them
I also get out flying 3 weekends out of 4, so i'm pretty lucky, either that or unlike Mark, i wear the trousers in our house lol
On the viper, it looks like i made the right decision going with the 160
Cheeky bast**ds!!
After moaning and begging, Ange has agreed to let me go flying more this year!! And who said I didn't wear the trousers?!!! Tsh!!
REGARDS
JOHN
02-02-2010 | 03:44 PM
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Lol John
I've had to buy a caravan for this season as we have been blessed with our first nipper and although Natalie was camping on an airfield for 4 days, 3 weeks before Isabelle was born, I didn't think i'd get away with tenting it this year
I've had to buy a caravan for this season as we have been blessed with our first nipper and although Natalie was camping on an airfield for 4 days, 3 weeks before Isabelle was born, I didn't think i'd get away with tenting it this year
02-02-2010 | 10:04 PM
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Lol John
I've had to buy a caravan for this season as we have been blessed with our first nipper and although Natalie was camping on an airfield for 4 days, 3 weeks before Isabelle was born, I didn't think i'd get away with tenting it this year
Lol John
I've had to buy a caravan for this season as we have been blessed with our first nipper and although Natalie was camping on an airfield for 4 days, 3 weeks before Isabelle was born, I didn't think i'd get away with tenting it this year
REGARDS '
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02-03-2010 | 03:19 AM
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RE: Another Skymaster Viper
ORIGINAL: Duncan
I get away with alot Vince, dont worry. In fact the past weekends show the the Dominican is the only one she has said no to so far
I also get out flying 3 weekends out of 4, so i'm pretty lucky, either that or unlike Mark, i wear the trousers in our house lol
On the viper, it looks like i made the right decision going with the 160
ORIGINAL: buckerboy
I know someone else whose flying is ruled by ''er in doors'' keeps getting these stunning models and can't get out to fly them
I know someone else whose flying is ruled by ''er in doors'' keeps getting these stunning models and can't get out to fly them
I also get out flying 3 weekends out of 4, so i'm pretty lucky, either that or unlike Mark, i wear the trousers in our house lol
On the viper, it looks like i made the right decision going with the 160
Yes I know you get out a lot Dunc, cause you've got the perfect excuse, you just blame it on that bad influence Ali,
I reckon its all excuses with Mark, his wife looks a sweet little thing, he just don't like getting his models dirty!
Also H agrees with using a 160, he said he just did what Ali told him
Well I have been busying myself covering another Intro airframe to replace the one I lost, so am hoping to have that and the XL up and running for the better weather. [sm=thumbs_up.gif]
Looks like the Boomers are growing down there in Aussie John, looks a nice site [sm=thumbs_up.gif]
02-03-2010 | 03:24 AM
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Ali, interesting analysis regarding the P-160 and P-200. I fly my P-200 powered Viper at 1/2 throttle most of the time and I never feel like it needs a P-200. In the future, I may yank the 200 out and put it in a plane that needs it and stick a 160 class turbine in the VJ.
02-03-2010 | 03:58 AM
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That looks like a great site John. I lived in Noosa for a while back in '99- 2000 and visited herveybay at some point. I'd move back at a drop of a hat if business would let me
02-03-2010 | 08:53 AM
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what have you been smoking? or is it the jetlag
btw if you have to many 160sx on stock i could use 4 of them , nex delivery is in week 9 ihear
Hey Sandor.... Dont smoke, and that post was written just as I was leaving the D.R so no jet lag. Plenty now that I am back in the UK. [:'(]
I have 2 160sx and 2 p200 Sx on the shelf right now so no, my advice/ opinion is not based on sales. Hell if it were I would be better off selling the 200 sx as there is more money to be made.
I base what I say on real life experience. I have had a few flights on the Viper now and I do feel its a better plane on the 160. Each to their own I guess, and as I said the model is still superb on a 200SX... just that its better on a 160 ( But as with allot of things in life some guys need to make up for a lack of finesse with raw power I guess
) Regards Al
02-03-2010 | 08:57 AM
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That looks like a great site John. I lived in Noosa for a while back in '99- 2000 and visited herveybay at some point. I'd move back at a drop of a hat if business would let me
That looks like a great site John. I lived in Noosa for a while back in '99- 2000 and visited herveybay at some point. I'd move back at a drop of a hat if business would let me
Then you know what you are missing I live herveybay fly Maryborough,But that site is at Coolum whitch is just south of Noosa they have been having Jet meets for some years one of the best in Aussie but have just lost the site to industry and have to move only a few hundred yards from what I understand but still have to go through the hassles of building a new site ,
By the way just about ready to maiden VJ in the next 2 weeks.
REGARDS
JOHN
02-03-2010 | 06:55 PM
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I agree with Ali.
I have flown one with a Beohtec 180 and thought it was way overpowered. This plane has a lot of wing area and flies kind of like a big glider. The last thing it needs is a P200sx, unless you want to hover it off course
A 160 or maybe even a 120-140 engine would be a perfect match IMO.
I have flown one with a Beohtec 180 and thought it was way overpowered. This plane has a lot of wing area and flies kind of like a big glider. The last thing it needs is a P200sx, unless you want to hover it off course
A 160 or maybe even a 120-140 engine would be a perfect match IMO.
02-04-2010 | 11:26 AM
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I have been having a blast with my big viper over the past week. I almost forget how good a flying plane this is.
Just a quick reminder to you Vjet owners out there. Check your composite inner control surface fairings. I had one catch at the weekend and it cracked the wing skin [:@] I use a very gentle heat ( From my heat gun at a distance ) To soften the epoxy then just tweek the fairing down slightly and hold till it sets.
Couldn't resist some photos from talented photographer Derrick Threatt!
Just a quick reminder to you Vjet owners out there. Check your composite inner control surface fairings. I had one catch at the weekend and it cracked the wing skin [:@] I use a very gentle heat ( From my heat gun at a distance ) To soften the epoxy then just tweek the fairing down slightly and hold till it sets.
Couldn't resist some photos from talented photographer Derrick Threatt!
02-04-2010 | 11:31 AM
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I am just in the process of having some custom sticker sets made for the Viper. These will include the chrome Rivets that when applied really make a difference to the appearance of the model. Not to mention chrome fuel fill caps, some vents and other sudo scale details.
Anyone else interested?
I am taking my baby 2m Viper home with me tonight and hope to make a start tomorrow. I may even do a basic build thread. I say basic as I need this one in the air super quick in time for Florida jets!
Regards Al
Anyone else interested?
I am taking my baby 2m Viper home with me tonight and hope to make a start tomorrow. I may even do a basic build thread. I say basic as I need this one in the air super quick in time for Florida jets!
Regards Al
02-04-2010 | 12:56 PM
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ORIGINAL: Ali
I am just in the process of having some custom sticker sets made for the Viper. These will include the chrome Rivets that when applied really make a difference to the appearance of the model. Not to mention chrome fuel fill caps, some vents and other sudo scale details.
Anyone else interested?
I am taking my baby 2m Viper home with me tonight and hope to make a start tomorrow. I may even do a basic build thread. I say basic as I need this one in the air super quick in time for Florida jets!
Regards Al
I am just in the process of having some custom sticker sets made for the Viper. These will include the chrome Rivets that when applied really make a difference to the appearance of the model. Not to mention chrome fuel fill caps, some vents and other sudo scale details.
Anyone else interested?
I am taking my baby 2m Viper home with me tonight and hope to make a start tomorrow. I may even do a basic build thread. I say basic as I need this one in the air super quick in time for Florida jets!
Regards Al
funny that you should mention it.
we are working now on real fuel caps that actualy work one for fuel
and one for smoke.
expecting those over a few weeks or so
02-04-2010 | 04:48 PM
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Finally I found a field mounting table for my viper, stable, foldable, washable, with easily accessible and practical storage pockets for tools, batteries, diapers (I always need some during the first flights), padded and... already done! I sell them for $300 (momentarily out of stock) plus S&H but if you go to Ikea or visit the site and search "SPOLING Changing table" you can find it for $69.99 (http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/00147337)
Really a good deal!! [sm=thumbs_up.gif]
Alessandro
), padded and... already done! I sell them for $300 (momentarily out of stock) plus S&H but if you go to Ikea or visit the site and search "SPOLING Changing table" you can find it for $69.99 (http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/00147337)Really a good deal!! [sm=thumbs_up.gif]
Alessandro
02-04-2010 | 05:05 PM
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Couldn't resist some photos from talented photographer Derrick Threatt!
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Couldn't resist some photos from talented photographer Derrick Threatt!
I don't find the link...8
02-04-2010 | 05:07 PM
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I am just in the process of having some custom sticker sets made for the Viper. These will include the chrome Rivets that when applied really make a difference to the appearance of the model. Not to mention chrome fuel fill caps, some vents and other sudo scale details.
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I am just in the process of having some custom sticker sets made for the Viper. These will include the chrome Rivets that when applied really make a difference to the appearance of the model. Not to mention chrome fuel fill caps, some vents and other sudo scale details.
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Thanks
A
02-05-2010 | 02:21 AM
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ORIGINAL: OttoKranz
Finally I found a field mounting table for my viper, stable, foldable, washable, with easily accessible and practical storage pockets for tools, batteries, diapers (I always need some during the first flights), padded and... already done! I sell them for $300 (momentarily out of stock) plus S&H but if you go to Ikea or visit the site and search ''SPOLING Changing table'' you can find it for $69.99 (http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/00147337)
Really a good deal!! [sm=thumbs_up.gif]
Alessandro
Finally I found a field mounting table for my viper, stable, foldable, washable, with easily accessible and practical storage pockets for tools, batteries, diapers (I always need some during the first flights
), padded and... already done! I sell them for $300 (momentarily out of stock) plus S&H but if you go to Ikea or visit the site and search ''SPOLING Changing table'' you can find it for $69.99 (http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/00147337)Really a good deal!! [sm=thumbs_up.gif]
Alessandro
you can also go to a music shop and get a keyboard stand , these are adjustable
and gor around 49 euro,s
just put some foam on it.. and done!
02-05-2010 | 03:05 AM
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ORIGINAL: cgroen
Ah, good idea!
How about painting them purple, add the foam, and you can sell them for Euro 499,-
Ah, good idea!
How about painting them purple, add the foam, and you can sell them for Euro 499,-
true or laser write "Titan Series" on them
or fill the tubes with fuel and have a park and refuel station.
we could even make a oleoset for the stand
02-05-2010 | 04:24 AM
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Yes but can it hold the fuselage with only one wing attached to it? I want to be indipendent from my wife and above all does it have the diapers pockets?
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and above all does it have the diapers pockets? 8
02-05-2010 | 06:10 AM
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ORIGINAL: OttoKranz
Yes but can it hold the fuselage with only one wing attached to it? I want to be indipendent from my wife and above all does it have the diapers pockets?
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Yes but can it hold the fuselage with only one wing attached to it? I want to be indipendent from my wife
and above all does it have the diapers pockets? 8
yes youcan the tubes are hollow so you can use a broomstick to place under a wing.
i believe diaper holders are optional , but easy to install
02-05-2010 | 06:56 AM
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Hi All
A bit more done on my viper. The first tray is done and ready to install for the final time. I just have to wait to exchange my Powerbox Sensor Switch for one with a longer lead. The green trays really brighten up the inside of the model, which is painted grey and look cool. Well i think they do anyway
Dunc
A bit more done on my viper. The first tray is done and ready to install for the final time. I just have to wait to exchange my Powerbox Sensor Switch for one with a longer lead. The green trays really brighten up the inside of the model, which is painted grey and look cool. Well i think they do anyway
Dunc
