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Old 10-07-2009, 12:41 PM
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Hi Oliver,

I mounted a 12 channel micro reciver in a small prop delta plane (an outlaw), if it went down, it would only be a propplane [:'(]
It looks as far as I can see ok, the dropout at the end of the first file is due to landing off-field (around 100 meters from myself, when I walked to get the plane, I placed the transmitter on the ground, and I assume that the TX got no frames back from the plane then. I picked up the plane and walked back to the transmitter, and the signal increases again.
Can you have a look and see if the data looks ok ? (I can send you the data via email if I can have your address ?)
Transmitter is a 14MZ
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Old 10-07-2009, 02:24 PM
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OK Carsten,
As soon as I get your data I'll answer here.
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ORIGINAL: oistein


I should have a job coming up in Dubai this autumn, will contact you then. Have to see som flying while am there. Will probably be working at Dubai dry docks down town....

Hope everything is fine you too..
It will be a real pleasure to see you again and have you at home. We'll certainly have some fun on the flying field as well. Great jet show coming up in Abu Dhabi at the beginning of December...
Old 10-07-2009, 11:59 PM
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ORIGINAL: David Gladwin

Hi Guys,

Yes, I believe it is the the right antenna looking at the plug side.

I have now installed an 8 Micro into a 5 meter Nimbus sailplane with a Powerbox as there are so many servos in the wing, 4 flap, 4 aileron and 2 airbrakes. With the Powerbox handling 7 channels and one channel direct to the receiver operation looks to be entirely normal, no compatibility problems even with three Matchboxes to distribute the signals. All I need now for flight test is something to tow it up !

The big 12-30 is now installed in the Reaction for flight test, hopefully next week. I will post some log files whan I have done the first few lights. Power supplies chosen are Duralite 4 cell (redundant) 4300 main battery and Duralite 2150 two cell pack all with 16 AWG cables.

Incidentally I bought a Dell Mini computer to take to the fiels for Weatronic use as I do like to look at the data during and after a flying session, Giga Control, Nav View and Rx control all installed.

This computer seems perfect for such use, small light, fast and quite cheap. Strongly recommended.

Keep the info coming !

Regards,

David.

PS Oliver, When binding you ALSO need to press the bind button very shortly after switch on , just pressing the bind button after around 1 minute and the bind function does not work. A guy on the other Weatronics thread could not bind his receiver, pressing the button immediatley after switch on fixed his problem.

Hi David, sorry to go 'off topic' slightly, did you have any joy communicating with Germany regarding the repair of my Tx module and micro Rx?

Rob.
Old 10-08-2009, 12:15 AM
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I told Alwin, on the phone, of your problem and left it with him EXPECTING some prompt action. I am VERY disappointed that it has not happened.

In any business looking after customers who have already bought your product is/should be priority no 1.

Regards,

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ORIGINAL: David Gladwin

I told Alwin, on the phone, of your problem and left it with him EXPECTING some prompt action. I am VERY disappointed that it has not happened.

In any business looking after customers who have already bought your product is/should be priority no 1.

Regards,

David.
David

OK, thanks for your help, I don't know what elese I can do? I guess I'll just have to keep banging away until I get some response?

Highly frustrating!!

Rob.
Old 10-08-2009, 01:09 AM
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ORIGINAL: olnico

OK Carsten,
As soon as I get your data I'll answer here.
Hi Oliver,
I sent the data to your email a few minutes after you responded, let me know if they did not make it thru
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Hi Carsten,

Your files are showing the following results:


Flight 1:

Lowest RSSI 1 rx:-76 dBm
Lowest RSSI 2 rx:-76,5 dBm
Lowest frame rx1:93
Lowest frame rx2:92

Average RSSI rx values: -65,5 dBm
Failsafe 0
losses of feedback communication ( 136/168 events ): 0

Lowest RSSI 1 tx: -87,5 dBm
Lowest RSSI 2 tx: -89,5 dBm
Lowest frame tx1: 69
Lowest frame tx2: 82

Average RSSI tx values: -80

Flight 2:

Lowest RSSI 1 rx:-79,5 dBm
Lowest RSSI 2 rx:-72,5 dBm
Lowest frame rx1:95
Lowest frame rx2:94

Average RSSI rx values: -68 dBm
Failsafe 0
losses of feedback communication ( 136/168 events ): 1 for 1 second.

Lowest RSSI 1 tx: -88,5 dBm
Lowest RSSI 2 tx: -85,5 dBm
Lowest frame tx1:83
Lowest frame tx2: 91

Average RSSI tx values: -78 dBm

These are the best results I have seen so far. Of course it is not a jet and the flight distance must be shorter. However your system is fully GO.
Let me know how it performs on a jet to see the difference ( EMIs are higher on a jet due to the ECU and more elctronic devices fitted )
Old 10-08-2009, 02:29 AM
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Thanks Oliver !

Yes, my initial impression was also that they looked fine, just needed confirmation from a pro

The receiver was "mounted with a showel" inside a small (but very fast) delta wing (1,3 Kg, with a 9x8 prop running at 17K RPM), and I regard this airframe as "a no loss" should "something" happen

Both flights was actually going out far away (at least 400 meters to each "side"), I choose this plane also because of the "easy to see" shape, so I know I can follow it far away.
I will play a little more with it, and then mount one of my 12 channel micro receivers in my P160SX powered Elan, that one consumes a lot of airspace pretty quickly

Thanks for your help (and especially this thread), it's much appreciated, and very comforting with a group when this new technology comes out!
Now, if just Weatronic would step up to their customer support, and start answering emails !?!?!
Old 10-08-2009, 09:15 PM
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olnico

Thanks for the great job you're doing unraveling some of the mysteries of the gigacontrol I have about 12 flights on my new system and so far so good could you take a look at my data and see if anything jumps out at you also on the events tab what exactly am I looking at here.

Thanks
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Old 10-09-2009, 01:57 AM
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Stripe could you send me your NAV file on my email address and I'll check it.
Old 10-10-2009, 03:43 AM
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Hello Stripe. Welcome to the Jet forum by the way.

Here is the analysis of your data:


Lowest RSSI 1 rx:-84,5 dBm
Lowest RSSI 2 rx:-84,5 dBm
Lowest frame rx1:75
Lowest frame rx2:78


Average RSSI rx values: -67,5 dBm
Failsafe 0
losses of feedback communication ( 136/168 events ): 5 for a total of 17 seconds.

Lowest RSSI 1 tx: -127,5 dBm
Lowest RSSI 2 tx: -128,5 dBm
Lowest frame tx1: 0
Lowest frame tx2: 0

There was a difficult downlink event at 3'38'', shortly after your takeoff ( possibly someone masking the transmission line ? ).
Apart from this event, the data shows:

Lowest RSSI 1 tx: -102 dBm
Lowest RSSI 2 tx: -110 dBm
Lowest frame tx1: 25
Lowest frame tx2: 27

Average RSSI tx values: -83,5

This seems to be a normal result. What is important to check ( in bold ) is the minimum Rx frames. Yours show quite good values, even during this event at 3'38''.
So your control link ( uplink ) is strong and good.

Also note that you get quite a few more downlink disconnections than usual ( 5 events for a total of 17 seconds ). This is also due to a partial masking of antenna 1.
Just check that this event does not happen too often, or you might want to change the position of antenna 1 ( the one that is on the left side looking at the receiver from the back ).
Your feedback link ( downlink ) is a bit on the weak side but nothing to worry about ( this is why you get so many disconnect events on the event tab )
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ORIGINAL: olnico

Hello Stripe. Welcome to the Jet forum by the way.

Here is the analysis of your data:


Lowest RSSI 1 rx:-84,5 dBm
Lowest RSSI 2 rx:-84,5 dBm
Lowest frame rx1:75
Lowest frame rx2:78


Average RSSI rx values: -67,5 dBm
Failsafe 0
losses of feedback communication ( 136/168 events ): 5 for a total of 17 seconds.

Lowest RSSI 1 tx: -127,5 dBm
Lowest RSSI 2 tx: -128,5 dBm
Lowest frame tx1: 0
Lowest frame tx2: 0

There was a difficult downlink event at 3'38'', shortly after your takeoff ( possibly someone masking the transmission line ? ).
Apart from this event, the data shows:

Lowest RSSI 1 tx: -102 dBm
Lowest RSSI 2 tx: -110 dBm
Lowest frame tx1: 25
Lowest frame tx2: 27

Average RSSI tx values: -83,5

This seems to be a normal result. What is important to check ( in bold ) is the minimum Rx frames. Yours show quite good values, even during this event at 3'38''.
So your control link ( uplink ) is strong and good.

Also note that you get quite a few more downlink disconnections than usual ( 5 events for a total of 17 seconds ). This is also due to a partial masking of antenna 1.
Just check that this event does not happen too often, or you might want to change the position of antenna 1 ( the one that is on the left side looking at the receiver from the back ).
Your feedback link ( downlink ) is a bit on the weak side but nothing to worry about ( this is why you get so many disconnect events on the event tab )
Oliver

Thank you very much it's beginning to make sense now, all I need for Christmas are more receivers to convert the rest of my stuff.

keep up the good work
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We now have received the FCC registration for all weatronic receivers and modules. Please contact Gerhard our importer (http://www.weatronic-usa.com) in the USA for more informations.
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ORIGINAL: morelli

We now have received the FCC registration for all weatronic receivers and modules. Please contact Gerhard our importer (http://www.weatronic-usa.com) in the USA for more informations.
Best regards

weatronic GmbH
Managing Director
Rolf Alexander Westphal
Seidenstr. 57
D-70174 Stuttgart
www.weatronic.com
[email protected]
morelli

when can we expect to see some smaller size receivers for park flyers and foamies?
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Smaller receivers will come next season (2010).

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Hello to all Weatronics user,

As I told you last week, I come back from our field wich is a military base with an active radar.
I have installed the Weatronic Rx 12 in my plane (Sun dancer with a TITAN 62 engine).

My system does not work on this type of field (I mean with a radar very near of the field ie about 600m). Every 7 seconds I have radio perturbation. It is definitely impossible to fly.
I am really disapointed because I love this Weatronic system !!
On the Flight LOG, the system has not recorded any failsafe or any error code every 7 seconds. This is really very strange.

On our field, two guys fly with a Futaba FAAST System and everything works faultless. This is really strange.

I don't understand and I think this could be security matter for everyone who want to fly not far from an active radar (maybe not far from an airport ?)
Is there someone who can help me to understand ?

many thanks
Jean-Philippe

Ps: i can send my flight log to everyone interested to analyse the flight.




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What brand is your transmitter? I regcognize your trouble.

Best regards, Erik.
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Hello Erik,

My transmitter is a MC22S Graupner.

Jean-Philippe
Old 10-18-2009, 03:51 AM
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Please send me your flight log;
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Have you tried a modulation change, ie PCM to PPM or vice versa ?
Wonder if your TRANSMITTER is being swamped.
Can you try another tx with the same Rx ?
Have you been able to look at the spectrum analyser when ground testing ?
Does the radar head rotate once every 7 seconds ?
Anyway send me your log (or logs) and I will take a look at it and compare with my own logs using a 12 ch Micro.
My 12-30 is now installed in a Reaction so when I get back to Sydney, just transitting Soeul at the moment, we are GO for the test flights !
Regards,
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Old 10-18-2009, 07:00 AM
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Hello JP

I am waiting the conclusion of Alwin about your file

JP
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Hi Jeanfi,

I have checked you file and it looks perfectly fine. I don't think that your trouble comes from the RF link.

Here is the analysis of your data:


Lowest RSSI 1 rx:-82,5 dBm
Lowest RSSI 2 rx:-85 dBm
Lowest frame rx1:63
Lowest frame rx2:64

Average RSSI rx values: -80,5 dBm
Failsafe 0
losses of feedback communication ( 136/168 events ): 3 for a total of 24 seconds.

Lowest RSSI 1 tx: -102,5 dBm
Lowest RSSI 2 tx: -102,5 dBm
Lowest frame tx1: 0
Lowest frame tx2: 0



The jamming must be coming either from downstream of the RF stage ( EMI pickup on the patch cable or Tx module or antenna module downstream of the QC chip ) or up stream of the Rx de-muxing stage ( either in the final dispatch board of the RX upstream of the QC chip or in the servo lines ).

There is also something strange in your log file: the recording starts from no where ( ie not from the original power up ). Also the shape of the RSSI curves is almost perfect. I have never seen such a perfect tub like curve yet on a wea log. This looks strange to me. Was that a flight log ?

Could you fly this system in a quieter environment and post the results here ?

What I could also do at a later stage is send you my system quickly by Fedex so that you could do the same tests with another proven set.
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Hello to David and Olivier,

My Flight log is not a flight log, this is a test on the ground. I did not fly
Yes, David I can send to you my file log. Thanks a lot.

This afternoon i have tested my system in my field (house)...everything perfect at about 100m from the plane in the range test mode (10mW)

Jean Philippe
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I have forgotten JP Zardini... Many thanks my friend !
I think that Weatronic will think that my Log is perfect ! Anyway, the result on the plance was wrong :-(

thanks
Jean-Philippe
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Hello David,

Have you tried a modulation change, ie PCM to PPM or vice versa ?
I have tried PPM18 and PPM24 not SPCM20 (JR)

Wonder if your TRANSMITTER is being swamped.
Can you try another tx with the same Rx ?

I have a MC15 and i have already tried this receiver in a little electric glider (with a speed480 engine), nothing has been detected and I have flown two times.

Have you been able to look at the spectrum analyser when ground testing ?
No sorry.

Does the radar head rotate once every 7 seconds ?
Yes


Thanks
Jean-Philippe


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