When is Enough Enough
10-27-2009 | 10:33 PM
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The sad thing is I just had a long conversation with Uncle Bob and he told me that he had just sent out a letter to all of his reps listing a strict code of conduct. I guess that this is how it was recieved.
I have had it and will no longer tolorate threats or intimidation.
Ronald R Long
I have had it and will no longer tolorate threats or intimidation.
Ronald R Long
10-27-2009 | 10:38 PM
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The sad thing is I just had a long conversation with Uncle Bob and he told me that he had just sent out a letter to all of his reps listing a strict code of conduct. I guess that this is how it was recieved.
I have had it and will no longer tolorate threats or intimidation.
Ronald R Long
The sad thing is I just had a long conversation with Uncle Bob and he told me that he had just sent out a letter to all of his reps listing a strict code of conduct. I guess that this is how it was recieved.
I have had it and will no longer tolorate threats or intimidation.
Ronald R Long
10-27-2009 | 10:48 PM
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Ron don't let them make you ride off into the sunset
Ron don't let them make you ride off into the sunset
10-27-2009 | 11:05 PM
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Ok guys, I need to step in here for a sec. I realize that this is a volatile subject and that there is a lot of emotion running here as this is discussed, but the Rules of RCU still need to be followed. Let's keep this thread family friendly. Myself and another Moderator have had to step in and remove some language and pictures that just aren't appropriate for RCU. Let's all do a self-check before he hit that "Ok" button to post and look to see if what you're posting is appropriate for all ages of family members.
Thanks for your cooperation here.
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10-27-2009 | 11:20 PM
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I am mow getting threatning phone calls at home from a JR / BVM Rep I thought this was a hobby.
I thought I was getting a apology from all of the personal attacks and threats posted on a earlier thread. I was mistaken. How much of this do you take before you pack it in and find a new hobby?
Ronald R Long
I am mow getting threatning phone calls at home from a JR / BVM Rep I thought this was a hobby.
I thought I was getting a apology from all of the personal attacks and threats posted on a earlier thread. I was mistaken. How much of this do you take before you pack it in and find a new hobby?
Ronald R Long
Nope, you don't find a new hobby, you get a recorder to tape the phone calls (yes, it's legal and no you don't have to tell the other party they are being recorded) and you call a lawyer. The individual and the company they Rep for will get their weenies slapped. Threats are serious business. It doesn't really surprise me to hear that it's a BVM rep, I've had less than stellar dealings with a few of them, but it's sad to hear a JR rep.... I'd be contacting Horizon about that, my guess is that JR wouldn't treat it as lightly as BVM does.
Having said that, there are a few BVM reps who have been helpful and didn't seem to aquire the arrogance that the purple cool aid seems to inflict on many of them....
10-27-2009 | 11:31 PM
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You are giving false information. In the states...it varies from state to state as to who can record a conversation over the telephone. Some states require both parties to know in advance of a recording can be made, some states require only one party to know and some do not allow it at all without a court order. If you live in a state where it is illegal to make, even if threats are being communicated, it can not be used by any law enforcement agency to file charges. Truthfully, a person making the recordings very well could end up being the one in court with charges for making the recordings.
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Nope, you don't find a new hobby, you get a recorder to tape the phone calls (yes, it's legal and no you don't have to tell the other party they are being recorded) and you call a lawyer. The individual and the company they Rep for will get their weenies slapped. Threats are serious business. It doesn't really surprise me to hear that it's a BVM rep, I've had less than stellar dealings with a few of them, but it's sad to hear a JR rep.... I'd be contacting Horizon about that, my guess is that JR wouldn't treat it as lightly as BVM does.
Having said that, there are a few BVM reps who have been helpful and didn't seem to aquire the arrogance that the purple cool aid seems to inflict on many of them....
Nope, you don't find a new hobby, you get a recorder to tape the phone calls (yes, it's legal and no you don't have to tell the other party they are being recorded) and you call a lawyer. The individual and the company they Rep for will get their weenies slapped. Threats are serious business. It doesn't really surprise me to hear that it's a BVM rep, I've had less than stellar dealings with a few of them, but it's sad to hear a JR rep.... I'd be contacting Horizon about that, my guess is that JR wouldn't treat it as lightly as BVM does.
Having said that, there are a few BVM reps who have been helpful and didn't seem to aquire the arrogance that the purple cool aid seems to inflict on many of them....
10-27-2009 | 11:38 PM
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You are giving false information. In the states...it varies from state to state as to who can record a conversation over the telephone. Some states require both parties to know in advance of a recording can be made, some states require only one party to know and some do not allow it at all without a court order. If you live in a state where it is illegal to make, even if threats are being communicated, it can not be used by any law enforcement agency to file charges. Truthfully, a person making the recordings very well could end up being the one in court with charges for making the recordings.
Beave
You are giving false information. In the states...it varies from state to state as to who can record a conversation over the telephone. Some states require both parties to know in advance of a recording can be made, some states require only one party to know and some do not allow it at all without a court order. If you live in a state where it is illegal to make, even if threats are being communicated, it can not be used by any law enforcement agency to file charges. Truthfully, a person making the recordings very well could end up being the one in court with charges for making the recordings.
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Nope, you don't find a new hobby, you get a recorder to tape the phone calls (yes, it's legal and no you don't have to tell the other party they are being recorded) and you call a lawyer. The individual and the company they Rep for will get their weenies slapped. Threats are serious business. It doesn't really surprise me to hear that it's a BVM rep, I've had less than stellar dealings with a few of them, but it's sad to hear a JR rep.... I'd be contacting Horizon about that, my guess is that JR wouldn't treat it as lightly as BVM does.
Having said that, there are a few BVM reps who have been helpful and didn't seem to aquire the arrogance that the purple cool aid seems to inflict on many of them....
Nope, you don't find a new hobby, you get a recorder to tape the phone calls (yes, it's legal and no you don't have to tell the other party they are being recorded) and you call a lawyer. The individual and the company they Rep for will get their weenies slapped. Threats are serious business. It doesn't really surprise me to hear that it's a BVM rep, I've had less than stellar dealings with a few of them, but it's sad to hear a JR rep.... I'd be contacting Horizon about that, my guess is that JR wouldn't treat it as lightly as BVM does.
Having said that, there are a few BVM reps who have been helpful and didn't seem to aquire the arrogance that the purple cool aid seems to inflict on many of them....
Ok, my bad, it was my understanding that the only time it's illegal is if it is a 3rd party recording the conversation without at least one of the individuals in the conversation knowing. So, let the person making the threats call your answering machine and leave the threat on voice mail
10-27-2009 | 11:50 PM
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Hello gentlemen.
Wow!!! I don't really know what went wrong, but from reading the posts from here and the earlier apologies posts, i was wondering.
Where was the sportsmanship that was once existed in the hobby? I think it is really bad to call anyone names especially
in reference to something similar to ethnic background remarks. I used to dream about BVM stuffs, but way too expensive for my
account. Now with this, definitely way too expensive for my account. To those that got bashed on, i hope you gents don't let that bother
you. Just rubbish. By the way, recording the phone conversation is entirely legal, just that it will not be admissible in court, unless there
was a warrant by the court. However, if you are operating within a business that requires recording conversations for either training purposes
or any other purposes, you will have to notify the parties that are being recorded. For example, like the insurance companies, telemarketing
companies. That is why answering machine is legal to own and possessed. You can record any conversations you like, as long as you do not
publish or use that as a mean to legally claim liability from someone. Only the judge can allow recorded phone conversations to be admissible
as evidence or not. Anyway, be strong and let's hope that we all can get along in this cool hobby.
Wow!!! I don't really know what went wrong, but from reading the posts from here and the earlier apologies posts, i was wondering.
Where was the sportsmanship that was once existed in the hobby? I think it is really bad to call anyone names especially
in reference to something similar to ethnic background remarks. I used to dream about BVM stuffs, but way too expensive for my
account. Now with this, definitely way too expensive for my account. To those that got bashed on, i hope you gents don't let that bother
you. Just rubbish. By the way, recording the phone conversation is entirely legal, just that it will not be admissible in court, unless there
was a warrant by the court. However, if you are operating within a business that requires recording conversations for either training purposes
or any other purposes, you will have to notify the parties that are being recorded. For example, like the insurance companies, telemarketing
companies. That is why answering machine is legal to own and possessed. You can record any conversations you like, as long as you do not
publish or use that as a mean to legally claim liability from someone. Only the judge can allow recorded phone conversations to be admissible
as evidence or not. Anyway, be strong and let's hope that we all can get along in this cool hobby.
10-28-2009 | 12:13 AM
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Hello gentlemen.
Wow!!! I don't really know what went wrong, but from reading the posts from here and the earlier apologies posts, i was wondering.
Where was the sportsmanship that was once existed in the hobby? I think it is really bad to call anyone names especially
in reference to something similar to ethnic background remarks. I used to dream about BVM stuffs, but way too expensive for my
account. Now with this, definitely way too expensive for my account. To those that got bashed on, i hope you gents don't let that bother
you. Just rubbish. By the way, recording the phone conversation is entirely legal, just that it will not be admissible in court, unless there
was a warrant by the court. However, if you are operating within a business that requires recording conversations for either training purposes
or any other purposes, you will have to notify the parties that are being recorded. For example, like the insurance companies, telemarketing
companies. That is why answering machine is legal to own and possessed. You can record any conversations you like, as long as you do not
publish or use that as a mean to legally claim liability from someone. Only the judge can allow recorded phone conversations to be admissible
as evidence or not. Anyway, be strong and let's hope that we all can get along in this cool hobby.
Hello gentlemen.
Wow!!! I don't really know what went wrong, but from reading the posts from here and the earlier apologies posts, i was wondering.
Where was the sportsmanship that was once existed in the hobby? I think it is really bad to call anyone names especially
in reference to something similar to ethnic background remarks. I used to dream about BVM stuffs, but way too expensive for my
account. Now with this, definitely way too expensive for my account. To those that got bashed on, i hope you gents don't let that bother
you. Just rubbish. By the way, recording the phone conversation is entirely legal, just that it will not be admissible in court, unless there
was a warrant by the court. However, if you are operating within a business that requires recording conversations for either training purposes
or any other purposes, you will have to notify the parties that are being recorded. For example, like the insurance companies, telemarketing
companies. That is why answering machine is legal to own and possessed. You can record any conversations you like, as long as you do not
publish or use that as a mean to legally claim liability from someone. Only the judge can allow recorded phone conversations to be admissible
as evidence or not. Anyway, be strong and let's hope that we all can get along in this cool hobby.
We, yes even those of us who like to give and recieve a nice heckling, see your point COMPLETELY. It's those that just like to get a rise out of us (and successfully, I might add) that just go a little too far.
Sense....where did it go??? Kinda like this pic, callin' Ron up and being a ** well you can insert your own derogatory statement here** just doesn't make sense, does it?
Raf
10-28-2009 | 12:36 AM
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That picture is AWESOME Raffy!! I need a full print of it. Wow, well I never thought anything in this hobby would go this far. Again, for me, every time I think of JR and BVM from now on, they will have negative impacts. I hope Uncle Bob sees how damaging this is going to be for his company. The best way to not stand for this would be to hit them where it hurts, in the pocket books. Completely unbelievable though!!![X(]
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10-28-2009 | 12:38 AM
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The sad thing is I just had a long conversation with Uncle Bob and he told me that he had just sent out a letter to all of his reps listing a strict code of conduct. I guess that this is how it was recieved.
The sad thing is I just had a long conversation with Uncle Bob and he told me that he had just sent out a letter to all of his reps listing a strict code of conduct. I guess that this is how it was recieved.
I had a conversation with Dustin at CA Jets this year, in which I told him that there are a mere handful of BVM rep's who are costing BVM a bunch of lost sales because no-one wants to spend a bunch of money to (a) be treated like that, and (b) be subsidising the hobby of those reps.
I also pointed out to Dustin that based on comments I've heard Bob make in the past, I (like many others) sincerely doubt that Bob will ever do anything meaningful about these guys, because he gives the impression of having more loyalty to certain of his rep's than to his customers. I was told that I was completely wrong about that ... well, I guess now is the time to find out which of us was right - will anything MEANINGFUL be done about the rep who's making such calls to you ?
The thing I find so unfortunate about all of this, is how the really great BVM rep's put in a ton of work to build up BV's reputation, only to see it get needlessly thrown away by others.
Gordon
10-28-2009 | 12:43 AM
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There, now you guys know where to go!!! Ack!! My secret's out!!
You know Gordo, I met Dustin once and he's a super nice guy. He came and heckled me on my Ultra B build (but who didn't! LOL ) and it was all in good fun.
My point: there are BVM dudes that are nice, down to earth, take a joke and give a joke, kind of guys.
Talkin' smack to Ron? Or anyone, for that matter? Not cool from anyone, rep or not.
Raf
There, now you guys know where to go!!! Ack!! My secret's out!!
You know Gordo, I met Dustin once and he's a super nice guy. He came and heckled me on my Ultra B build (but who didn't! LOL ) and it was all in good fun.
My point: there are BVM dudes that are nice, down to earth, take a joke and give a joke, kind of guys.
Talkin' smack to Ron? Or anyone, for that matter? Not cool from anyone, rep or not.
Raf
10-28-2009 | 03:48 AM
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Looking at this from outside, it seems that an official complaint needs to be made to BVM so that disciplinary action can be taken against the emplyee concerned, because if this rep is paid in kind or in monies he is an employee, any company who values their reputation or customers should take action immediatly and inform the wronged party accordingly, until this is done we can talk until we are blue in the face and BVM can say they know nothing about it, as everything before is conjecture and hearsay.
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10-28-2009 | 04:50 AM
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Don't let one person spoil your enjoyment of the hobby. When I was a JR rep, how you interacted with the public was FAR more important than any contest results. Guys like Kent Nogy, John Redman, and a multitude of others get it.. Seems you found one of the few that don't.
10-28-2009 | 06:39 AM
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That is the legal way. If the person is dumb enough to leave it on your voice mail...it's good to go!
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So, let the person making the threats call your answering machine and leave the threat on voice mail
So, let the person making the threats call your answering machine and leave the threat on voice mail
10-28-2009 | 07:29 AM
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I would still record the phone calls.
They may not have any legal significance but I bet BVM and JR wouldn't mind hearing them.
Those reps are, after all, the image of the companies they represent to those that they interact with.
It amazes me that any company in todays market would act as if customers were a dime a dozen and their god given right.
They may not have any legal significance but I bet BVM and JR wouldn't mind hearing them.
Those reps are, after all, the image of the companies they represent to those that they interact with.
It amazes me that any company in todays market would act as if customers were a dime a dozen and their god given right.
