"Faux-Que" New F3A Design Build Thread
11-15-2007 | 11:49 AM
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"Faux-Que" New F3A Design Build Thread
"Faux-Que" New F3A Design Build Thread
Beginning 12/1/07, I will begin a build thread, combining as many design elements from the "Masters' from the world of radio controlled precision aerobatics including (in no particular order) Bridi, Prettner, Matt, Lowe, Hansen, CPLR, Hyde, Somenzini, Suzuki, Guerin, Blackwell and Bla Bla.
The name "Faux-Que", pronounced Foe (rhymes with "toe") and Q (the letter "Q"), was selected because the primary components are derived from the Oxai-Zeque and the highly successful Piedmont Focus series. Additional, fashionable design elements, will include Hanno's super cool flap/spoilers from the Curare', a canalizer from CPLR, anhedral stab...Hanno again (the most historical minded reader may prefer to credit the world's post WWII super sonic jet aeronautical engineers), force arrangement by Guerin, pithy and brilliant analysis by Bla Bla, to name a few.
The construction will be of balsa, ply, foam, epoxy glass, plastic canopy and as little carbon honey comb material as possible, covered with an iron film with painted cowl, landing gear struts and wheel pants. The model will be powered by a YS DZ 160 with Hatori short pipe/header combination.
The estimated cost to build the model will be less than $1,000 (excluding radio and engine components), much less depending on your "inventory" of parts. The estimated time to complete the entire model, ready to fly, may be as little as (50) hours.
This thread, is nothing more than "kit bashing" a Piedmont Focus II ARC. You, applying your own "creative genuis' may prefer to use any number of very fine designs available. I have chosen the Focus II because I have had (4) over the years, it is inexpensive, it is available NOW and has very suitable components to "stylize".
Material List:
(1) Piedmont Models Focus II ARC kit
(1) YS DZ 160
(1) Hatori "short" pipe and header (simplest, could be the long versions)
(1) Hyde mount type "A"
(1) pair of Zeque landing gear legs and wheel pants available from Sam at Oxai-USA
The goal of this project is to attempt try something different by combining some the "Masters" ideas around a competitive airframe I have always enjoyed flying. This is not a doctoral thesis on model aeronautics. This is not the beginning of a commercial venture. This is not a... "this is the best way to execute x,y or z" rather this is... "one of many ways".
To the critics, heretics and blow hards...I compliment you in advance for your brilliance and personal awareness...call me directly (312) 580-6838, rather than demonstrate your selfish and rude behavior on this thread.
Rusty Dose
Team Futaba
Team YS Parts and Service
Disclaimer: The author of this thread makes no claims, warranties or guarantees with regard to the model design, materials, manufacturers discussed or concepts executed and described in this thread. The reader assumes all risk and liabilities. The author is receiving no specific compensation, materials, parts, accessories in the construction of the model discussed. The author is a member of Team Futaba and Team YS Parts and Service which, may therefore, have received and continue to receive products and services from these companies. It is the author's intention to select specific components based on merit. There is no guarantee of future results based on past performance.
Beginning 12/1/07, I will begin a build thread, combining as many design elements from the "Masters' from the world of radio controlled precision aerobatics including (in no particular order) Bridi, Prettner, Matt, Lowe, Hansen, CPLR, Hyde, Somenzini, Suzuki, Guerin, Blackwell and Bla Bla.
The name "Faux-Que", pronounced Foe (rhymes with "toe") and Q (the letter "Q"), was selected because the primary components are derived from the Oxai-Zeque and the highly successful Piedmont Focus series. Additional, fashionable design elements, will include Hanno's super cool flap/spoilers from the Curare', a canalizer from CPLR, anhedral stab...Hanno again (the most historical minded reader may prefer to credit the world's post WWII super sonic jet aeronautical engineers), force arrangement by Guerin, pithy and brilliant analysis by Bla Bla, to name a few.
The construction will be of balsa, ply, foam, epoxy glass, plastic canopy and as little carbon honey comb material as possible, covered with an iron film with painted cowl, landing gear struts and wheel pants. The model will be powered by a YS DZ 160 with Hatori short pipe/header combination.
The estimated cost to build the model will be less than $1,000 (excluding radio and engine components), much less depending on your "inventory" of parts. The estimated time to complete the entire model, ready to fly, may be as little as (50) hours.
This thread, is nothing more than "kit bashing" a Piedmont Focus II ARC. You, applying your own "creative genuis' may prefer to use any number of very fine designs available. I have chosen the Focus II because I have had (4) over the years, it is inexpensive, it is available NOW and has very suitable components to "stylize".
Material List:
(1) Piedmont Models Focus II ARC kit
(1) YS DZ 160
(1) Hatori "short" pipe and header (simplest, could be the long versions)
(1) Hyde mount type "A"
(1) pair of Zeque landing gear legs and wheel pants available from Sam at Oxai-USA
The goal of this project is to attempt try something different by combining some the "Masters" ideas around a competitive airframe I have always enjoyed flying. This is not a doctoral thesis on model aeronautics. This is not the beginning of a commercial venture. This is not a... "this is the best way to execute x,y or z" rather this is... "one of many ways".
To the critics, heretics and blow hards...I compliment you in advance for your brilliance and personal awareness...call me directly (312) 580-6838, rather than demonstrate your selfish and rude behavior on this thread.
Rusty Dose
Team Futaba
Team YS Parts and Service
Disclaimer: The author of this thread makes no claims, warranties or guarantees with regard to the model design, materials, manufacturers discussed or concepts executed and described in this thread. The reader assumes all risk and liabilities. The author is receiving no specific compensation, materials, parts, accessories in the construction of the model discussed. The author is a member of Team Futaba and Team YS Parts and Service which, may therefore, have received and continue to receive products and services from these companies. It is the author's intention to select specific components based on merit. There is no guarantee of future results based on past performance.
11-15-2007 | 01:48 PM
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RE: "Faux-Que" New F3A Design Build Thread
ORIGINAL: BERUSTY
"Faux-Que" New F3A Design Build Thread
Beginning 12/1/07, I will begin a build thread, combining as many design elements from the "Masters' from the world of radio controlled precision aerobatics including (in no particular order) Bridi, Prettner, Matt, Lowe, Hansen, CPLR, Hyde, Somenzini, Suzuki, Guerin, Blackwell and Bla Bla.
The name "Faux-Que", pronounced Foe (rhymes with "toe") and Q (the letter "Q"), was selected because the primary components are derived from the Oxai-Zeque and the highly successful Piedmont Focus series. Additional, fashionable design elements, will include Hanno's super cool flap/spoilers from the Curare', a canalizer from CPLR, anhedral stab...Hanno again (the most historical minded reader may prefer to credit the world's post WWII super sonic jet aeronautical engineers), force arrangement by Guerin, pithy and brilliant analysis by Bla Bla, to name a few.
The construction will be of balsa, ply, foam, epoxy glass, plastic canopy and as little carbon honey comb material as possible, covered with an iron film with painted cowl, landing gear struts and wheel pants. The model will be powered by a YS DZ 160 with Hatori short pipe/header combination.
The estimated cost to build the model will be less than $1,000 (excluding radio and engine components), much less depending on your "inventory" of parts. The estimated time to complete the entire model, ready to fly, may be as little as (50) hours.
This thread, is nothing more than "kit bashing" a Piedmont Focus II ARC. You, applying your own "creative genuis' may prefer to use any number of very fine designs available. I have chosen the Focus II because I have had (4) over the years, it is inexpensive, it is available NOW and has very suitable components to "stylize".
Material List:
(1) Piedmont Models Focus II ARC kit
(1) YS DZ 160
(1) Hatori "short" pipe and header (simplest, could be the long versions)
(1) Hyde mount type "A"
(1) pair of Zeque landing gear legs and wheel pants available from Sam at Oxai-USA
The goal of this project is to attempt try something different by combining some the "Masters" ideas around a competitive airframe I have always enjoyed flying. This is not a doctoral thesis on model aeronautics. This is not the beginning of a commercial venture. This is not a... "this is the best way to execute x,y or z" rather this is... "one of many ways".
To the critics, heretics and blow hards...I compliment you in advance for your brilliance and personal awareness...call me directly (312) 580-6838, rather than demonstrate your selfish and rude behavior on this thread.
Rusty Dose
Team Futaba
Team YS Parts and Service
Disclaimer: The author of this thread makes no claims, warranties or guarantees with regard to the model design, materials, manufacturers discussed or concepts executed and described in this thread. The reader assumes all risk and liabilities. The author is receiving no specific compensation, materials, parts, accessories in the construction of the model discussed. The author is a member of Team Futaba and Team YS Parts and Service which, may therefore, have received and continue to receive products and services from these companies. It is the author's intention to select specific components based on merit. There is no guarantee of future results based on past performance.
"Faux-Que" New F3A Design Build Thread
Beginning 12/1/07, I will begin a build thread, combining as many design elements from the "Masters' from the world of radio controlled precision aerobatics including (in no particular order) Bridi, Prettner, Matt, Lowe, Hansen, CPLR, Hyde, Somenzini, Suzuki, Guerin, Blackwell and Bla Bla.
The name "Faux-Que", pronounced Foe (rhymes with "toe") and Q (the letter "Q"), was selected because the primary components are derived from the Oxai-Zeque and the highly successful Piedmont Focus series. Additional, fashionable design elements, will include Hanno's super cool flap/spoilers from the Curare', a canalizer from CPLR, anhedral stab...Hanno again (the most historical minded reader may prefer to credit the world's post WWII super sonic jet aeronautical engineers), force arrangement by Guerin, pithy and brilliant analysis by Bla Bla, to name a few.
The construction will be of balsa, ply, foam, epoxy glass, plastic canopy and as little carbon honey comb material as possible, covered with an iron film with painted cowl, landing gear struts and wheel pants. The model will be powered by a YS DZ 160 with Hatori short pipe/header combination.
The estimated cost to build the model will be less than $1,000 (excluding radio and engine components), much less depending on your "inventory" of parts. The estimated time to complete the entire model, ready to fly, may be as little as (50) hours.
This thread, is nothing more than "kit bashing" a Piedmont Focus II ARC. You, applying your own "creative genuis' may prefer to use any number of very fine designs available. I have chosen the Focus II because I have had (4) over the years, it is inexpensive, it is available NOW and has very suitable components to "stylize".
Material List:
(1) Piedmont Models Focus II ARC kit
(1) YS DZ 160
(1) Hatori "short" pipe and header (simplest, could be the long versions)
(1) Hyde mount type "A"
(1) pair of Zeque landing gear legs and wheel pants available from Sam at Oxai-USA
The goal of this project is to attempt try something different by combining some the "Masters" ideas around a competitive airframe I have always enjoyed flying. This is not a doctoral thesis on model aeronautics. This is not the beginning of a commercial venture. This is not a... "this is the best way to execute x,y or z" rather this is... "one of many ways".
To the critics, heretics and blow hards...I compliment you in advance for your brilliance and personal awareness...call me directly (312) 580-6838, rather than demonstrate your selfish and rude behavior on this thread.
Rusty Dose
Team Futaba
Team YS Parts and Service
Disclaimer: The author of this thread makes no claims, warranties or guarantees with regard to the model design, materials, manufacturers discussed or concepts executed and described in this thread. The reader assumes all risk and liabilities. The author is receiving no specific compensation, materials, parts, accessories in the construction of the model discussed. The author is a member of Team Futaba and Team YS Parts and Service which, may therefore, have received and continue to receive products and services from these companies. It is the author's intention to select specific components based on merit. There is no guarantee of future results based on past performance.
Im sure all your (2) sponsors are proud of this one.
Did you get permission to start this thread like the last one?
11-15-2007 | 02:37 PM
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May I start my pithy yet brilliant analysis straight away by saying this is nothing other than a product push.
Undercover marketing. It's the" Available NOW" that gave it away plus the legal disclaimer on the bottom.
Chain of responsibility etc.
Carry on.
Undercover marketing. It's the" Available NOW" that gave it away plus the legal disclaimer on the bottom.
Chain of responsibility etc.
Carry on.
11-15-2007 | 03:38 PM
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RE: "Faux-Que" New F3A Design Build Thread
"Faux-Que" New F3A Design Build Thread
Prior to the 12/1/07 "Official" launch of the build thread, I would like to provide a few additional details for interested readers.
Question posed by demonstrably intelligent RCU member: Rusty, the name you selected seems to have/be a subtle play on words... (which, I thought no one else would recognize, so I pointed it out), why THAT name?
Rusty: Excellent observation, demonstrably intelligent RCU member. The basis for the airplane is a Piedmont Focus II (pronounced phoenetically foe-'cuss). The primary outline of the modified airplane will be from the Oxai-Zeque, from which I chose to use MY preferred annunciation, like the letter "q". Recognizing that these posts are reviewed with the greatest level of scrutiny, I believe Mr. Suzuki, the designer of the "Zeque" pronounces it like the letter "k". Personally, seeing Foe-Que on the side of a model, particularly mine, seems, well just a little too aggressive. I opted for the more sophisticated spelling (and pleases my dear friends based in France) of "Faux". Here is the irony: Most Americans pronounce this spelling as "fake" rather than the proper French annunciation "foe". Therefore, in the USA (my target audience) it will most often be pronounced "Fake- Que", immediately bringing to mind...hey, I get it, that is a FAKE ZEQUE! Incidentally, the word "faux" ,is generally accepted in the American version of english to mean "fake", as an imposter, or copy, generally of inferior quality to the original.
Put all of this information together, the underlying, super subtle meaning is "Fake Zeque"!
The real back ground on this can be found from a previous RCU build thread called "Zeque Build Glow Powered". Many of the replies/additions/posts brought to light the fantastic amount of money required to own an Oxai model and that quite honestly got me thinking. I thought about the idea of taking a successful available pattern design and by somehow stealing ideas from other smart people, I could have something pretty close...like one receives when they buy a faux Rolex watch for $20 rather than the $4,000 original.
Regarding my disclosure of my affiliation with Team Futaba and Team YS Parts and Service, this brings to light another excellent question. Personally, I am sometimes suspicious about individuals using public "chat forums" to hawk products. The solution most appropriate for me is to disclose any potential conflicts of interests, consistently. This consistent disclosure makes the assumption that an RCU member maybe reading my posts as a one time event rather than considering them as a consistent and focused body of work. Further more, the word "sponsorship" implies that, one who is sponsored, receives compensation including monetary compensation, products and or expense allowances/reimbursement. A pilot who is a "team" member, may receive access to timely technical information, participate in beta testing and generally a discount for purchases. I am not a "sponsored" pilot, rather have a "team" affiliation.
Regarding the value I add or do not add to my team affiliations? I am confident that my communications, efforts to educate and promote the sport of precision aerobatics are consistent with the core values of the companies I represent.
What to expect from this thread?
I encourage anyone sitting on the edge of your seats, to visit RCU thread "Zeque build glow powered" for the structure, perspective and details I find interesting. Many of you will find no value in this thread and I encourage you to make another selection.
Excellent questions thus far!
Rusty Dose
Team Futaba
Team YS Parts and Service
Team Bla Bla
Prior to the 12/1/07 "Official" launch of the build thread, I would like to provide a few additional details for interested readers.
Question posed by demonstrably intelligent RCU member: Rusty, the name you selected seems to have/be a subtle play on words... (which, I thought no one else would recognize, so I pointed it out), why THAT name?
Rusty: Excellent observation, demonstrably intelligent RCU member. The basis for the airplane is a Piedmont Focus II (pronounced phoenetically foe-'cuss). The primary outline of the modified airplane will be from the Oxai-Zeque, from which I chose to use MY preferred annunciation, like the letter "q". Recognizing that these posts are reviewed with the greatest level of scrutiny, I believe Mr. Suzuki, the designer of the "Zeque" pronounces it like the letter "k". Personally, seeing Foe-Que on the side of a model, particularly mine, seems, well just a little too aggressive. I opted for the more sophisticated spelling (and pleases my dear friends based in France) of "Faux". Here is the irony: Most Americans pronounce this spelling as "fake" rather than the proper French annunciation "foe". Therefore, in the USA (my target audience) it will most often be pronounced "Fake- Que", immediately bringing to mind...hey, I get it, that is a FAKE ZEQUE! Incidentally, the word "faux" ,is generally accepted in the American version of english to mean "fake", as an imposter, or copy, generally of inferior quality to the original.
Put all of this information together, the underlying, super subtle meaning is "Fake Zeque"!
The real back ground on this can be found from a previous RCU build thread called "Zeque Build Glow Powered". Many of the replies/additions/posts brought to light the fantastic amount of money required to own an Oxai model and that quite honestly got me thinking. I thought about the idea of taking a successful available pattern design and by somehow stealing ideas from other smart people, I could have something pretty close...like one receives when they buy a faux Rolex watch for $20 rather than the $4,000 original.
Regarding my disclosure of my affiliation with Team Futaba and Team YS Parts and Service, this brings to light another excellent question. Personally, I am sometimes suspicious about individuals using public "chat forums" to hawk products. The solution most appropriate for me is to disclose any potential conflicts of interests, consistently. This consistent disclosure makes the assumption that an RCU member maybe reading my posts as a one time event rather than considering them as a consistent and focused body of work. Further more, the word "sponsorship" implies that, one who is sponsored, receives compensation including monetary compensation, products and or expense allowances/reimbursement. A pilot who is a "team" member, may receive access to timely technical information, participate in beta testing and generally a discount for purchases. I am not a "sponsored" pilot, rather have a "team" affiliation.
Regarding the value I add or do not add to my team affiliations? I am confident that my communications, efforts to educate and promote the sport of precision aerobatics are consistent with the core values of the companies I represent.
What to expect from this thread?
I encourage anyone sitting on the edge of your seats, to visit RCU thread "Zeque build glow powered" for the structure, perspective and details I find interesting. Many of you will find no value in this thread and I encourage you to make another selection.
Excellent questions thus far!
Rusty Dose
Team Futaba
Team YS Parts and Service
Team Bla Bla
11-15-2007 | 04:28 PM
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Rusty I anxiously await your work. As you may have seen I have been finishing up a Focus Sport from Piedmont models. I have been happy with it so far but its not quite done yet. I have been working a bit slow lately do to other issues not in my modeling life.
However I have the great fortune to have a Zeque sitting in my shop as well. It was is a fight with a Shark and a big bite was taken from the bottom of the fuse. This modeling belonging to a friend I offered to help him out with it when the Focus Sport is completed.
After combining the looks of the Focus and the Zeque in my slow and generally feeble brain, I am very anxious to see the outcome. Perhaps I can graph the Zeque into a Focus for my buddy. He would really like it.
An if he is reading this No it won't be done this weekend! But thanks for asking. LOL
How do you get Sponsored by Team Blabla? I have been thinking about this opportunity and feel it could further my credibility in the hobby. In fact I think I will call up Bad Brad and get some graphics for us. This would be with Bla Bla approval of course.
If Bla bla has a good compensation program I'm sure we can fit him in. After all seem to remember he is driving a BMW or something. Perhaps my Yugo pattern plane hauler can get a step up. Especially since some drunk grandma was on her way to Bingo the other morning and ran into the back of my airplane hauler parked in front of my house. At least there were no models in it and I wasn't around to take her head off. I think the Blabla Compensation program needs to kick in quickly.
Troy Newman
The Factory pilot for Team Toby
However I have the great fortune to have a Zeque sitting in my shop as well. It was is a fight with a Shark and a big bite was taken from the bottom of the fuse. This modeling belonging to a friend I offered to help him out with it when the Focus Sport is completed.
After combining the looks of the Focus and the Zeque in my slow and generally feeble brain, I am very anxious to see the outcome. Perhaps I can graph the Zeque into a Focus for my buddy. He would really like it.
An if he is reading this No it won't be done this weekend! But thanks for asking. LOL
How do you get Sponsored by Team Blabla? I have been thinking about this opportunity and feel it could further my credibility in the hobby. In fact I think I will call up Bad Brad and get some graphics for us. This would be with Bla Bla approval of course.
If Bla bla has a good compensation program I'm sure we can fit him in. After all seem to remember he is driving a BMW or something. Perhaps my Yugo pattern plane hauler can get a step up. Especially since some drunk grandma was on her way to Bingo the other morning and ran into the back of my airplane hauler parked in front of my house. At least there were no models in it and I wasn't around to take her head off. I think the Blabla Compensation program needs to kick in quickly.
Troy Newman
The Factory pilot for Team Toby
11-15-2007 | 06:05 PM
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RE: "Faux-Que" New F3A Design Build Thread
ORIGINAL: Troy Newman
After combining the looks of the Focus and the Zeque in my slow and generally feeble brain, I am very anxious to see the outcome. Perhaps I can graph the Zeque into a Focus for my buddy. He would really like it.
The Factory pilot for Team Toby
After combining the looks of the Focus and the Zeque in my slow and generally feeble brain, I am very anxious to see the outcome. Perhaps I can graph the Zeque into a Focus for my buddy. He would really like it.
The Factory pilot for Team Toby
11-15-2007 | 08:20 PM
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Dang Troy,
did you write that in a hurry!
or, have you been reading" my" post too much, LOL
unfortunatly my spelling is as bad as my Flying
BTW I thought your dogs name was Chip ,,
did you write that in a hurry!
or, have you been reading" my" post too much, LOL
unfortunatly my spelling is as bad as my Flying
BTW I thought your dogs name was Chip ,,
11-15-2007 | 08:43 PM
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RE: "Faux-Que" New F3A Design Build Thread
No him and Chip are buddies. His favorite F3A pilot besides me is Chip. He roots for Chip and cheers every time Chip flies. I can't believe it but he does seem to have an affinity for him.
I just don't know whats up...he has strange tastes. Smelling butts, eating just about anything, and other doggy products. I think he has grown out of the eating doggy products now...but man its been a tough road. My first Dog and learning to deal with him.....So I guess its just one of those things between he and Chip.
The good news is that Toby has now graduated from Doggy School. He has calmed down quite a bit since he was a puppy. He is now almost 2 yrs old so he is calming down. Still has a bark that can be heard across state lines. But he is educated or is it me that was educated.
In any case its been an experience. He is pretty well behaved at the pattern contests. Except he barks when Chip flies.
Troy Newman
Team Toby Factory Pilot
I just don't know whats up...he has strange tastes. Smelling butts, eating just about anything, and other doggy products. I think he has grown out of the eating doggy products now...but man its been a tough road. My first Dog and learning to deal with him.....So I guess its just one of those things between he and Chip.
The good news is that Toby has now graduated from Doggy School. He has calmed down quite a bit since he was a puppy. He is now almost 2 yrs old so he is calming down. Still has a bark that can be heard across state lines. But he is educated or is it me that was educated.
In any case its been an experience. He is pretty well behaved at the pattern contests. Except he barks when Chip flies.
Troy Newman
Team Toby Factory Pilot
11-15-2007 | 10:28 PM
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RE: "Faux-Que" New F3A Design Build Thread
ORIGINAL: twtaylor
Wouldn't that make it a Foc-que?
ORIGINAL: Troy Newman
After combining the looks of the Focus and the Zeque in my slow and generally feeble brain, I am very anxious to see the outcome. Perhaps I can graph the Zeque into a Focus for my buddy. He would really like it.
The Factory pilot for Team Toby
After combining the looks of the Focus and the Zeque in my slow and generally feeble brain, I am very anxious to see the outcome. Perhaps I can graph the Zeque into a Focus for my buddy. He would really like it.
The Factory pilot for Team Toby
MATTK
11-16-2007 | 06:21 AM
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RE: "Faux-Que" New F3A Design Build Thread
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HELL MAN, CALL IT WHAT IT IS......FOCU. RUSTY, WHYYY KEEP US IN SUSPENDERS WITH THE COY, TRANSPARENT DISGUISE??
MATTK
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OR...... WAS THAT A FOCU II ?????? LOL I'll bet you'll never look at that word the same again
mattk
11-16-2007 | 08:26 AM
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RE: "Faux-Que" New F3A Design Build Thread
Why are all seals in France well educated?
...because they go to Phoque U.
Phoque, of course, is the French word for seal
Nice dog, Troy. Looks like it has some Beagle in him (or all Beagle). I own a Basset Hound (and a Chocolate Lab). Pound for pound the Basset has the most bark of any dog I've ever owned.
I used to bring my dogs to the flying field until my lab casually walked across the runway and got hit by my dad's .25 size Mattlas (at least it was a pattern ship). No harm to either. The dog did stop and sniff, briefly...
Back to pattern!!
Will BArtlett
...because they go to Phoque U.
Phoque, of course, is the French word for seal
Nice dog, Troy. Looks like it has some Beagle in him (or all Beagle). I own a Basset Hound (and a Chocolate Lab). Pound for pound the Basset has the most bark of any dog I've ever owned.
I used to bring my dogs to the flying field until my lab casually walked across the runway and got hit by my dad's .25 size Mattlas (at least it was a pattern ship). No harm to either. The dog did stop and sniff, briefly...
Back to pattern!!
Will BArtlett
11-16-2007 | 11:34 AM
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RE: "Faux-Que" New F3A Design Build Thread
Will,
Toby is Bassett and Beagle. Our trainer says he is a Bagle. All I know is he was a rescue from the Dumb Friends league. We got him when he was pretty young in Late Dec 05'
He is a cool buddy. Likes go hang out with me in the shop working on models. We have a couple cats...They are not allowed in the shop, and when they come in he gets the Bark going. The cats bully him around since he is the new kid, however he guards the shop like its his own bed. Its kinda cool.
He has the Bassett bark. Its a Woof that very few can believe comes from him.
I never had much use for a dog before, but Jenny told me that she got a new puppy for every new airplane. Well 3-4 years after that little deal was made and 5-6 pattern models later, Toby was the result.
Funny how some things in life can change or impact that a pet can have. He actually likes going to the contests.
Troy
Toby is Bassett and Beagle. Our trainer says he is a Bagle. All I know is he was a rescue from the Dumb Friends league. We got him when he was pretty young in Late Dec 05'
He is a cool buddy. Likes go hang out with me in the shop working on models. We have a couple cats...They are not allowed in the shop, and when they come in he gets the Bark going. The cats bully him around since he is the new kid, however he guards the shop like its his own bed. Its kinda cool.
He has the Bassett bark. Its a Woof that very few can believe comes from him.
I never had much use for a dog before, but Jenny told me that she got a new puppy for every new airplane. Well 3-4 years after that little deal was made and 5-6 pattern models later, Toby was the result.
Funny how some things in life can change or impact that a pet can have. He actually likes going to the contests.
Troy
11-16-2007 | 05:08 PM
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RE: "Faux-Que" New F3A Design Build Thread
Troy,
I also have 3 cats and for the first time in years an enclosed workshop. I can finally use plastic films without finding at least one cat hair (usually black) under the lightest color on the model [:@]. Painting has never been a problem - the compressor scares them away! If Toby is as affectionate as Maggie (my bassett) you'll always have a very warm lap!!
My favorite airplane name was 'Dehellsit' built by a pattern flier from the NYC area about 25 years ago (I'll remember his name eventually...[>:])
Will Bartlett
I also have 3 cats and for the first time in years an enclosed workshop. I can finally use plastic films without finding at least one cat hair (usually black) under the lightest color on the model [:@]. Painting has never been a problem - the compressor scares them away! If Toby is as affectionate as Maggie (my bassett) you'll always have a very warm lap!!
My favorite airplane name was 'Dehellsit' built by a pattern flier from the NYC area about 25 years ago (I'll remember his name eventually...[>:])
Will Bartlett
11-16-2007 | 06:08 PM
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I think I will name my next planes after the Fook sisters in Austin Powers - Goldmember. I can have 2 planes named "Mi" and "Yu".
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RE: "Faux-Que" New F3A Design Build Thread
ORIGINAL: BERUSTY
"Faux-Que" New F3A Design Build Thread
Prior to the 12/1/07 "Official" launch of the build thread, I would like to provide a few additional details for interested readers.
Question posed by demonstrably intelligent RCU member: Rusty, the name you selected seems to have/be a subtle play on words... (which, I thought no one else would recognize, so I pointed it out), why THAT name?
Rusty: Excellent observation, demonstrably intelligent RCU member. The basis for the airplane is a Piedmont Focus II (pronounced phoenetically foe-'cuss). The primary outline of the modified airplane will be from the Oxai-Zeque, from which I chose to use MY preferred annunciation, like the letter "q". Recognizing that these posts are reviewed with the greatest level of scrutiny, I believe Mr. Suzuki, the designer of the "Zeque" pronounces it like the letter "k". Personally, seeing Foe-Que on the side of a model, particularly mine, seems, well just a little too aggressive. I opted for the more sophisticated spelling (and pleases my dear friends based in France) of "Faux". Here is the irony: Most Americans pronounce this spelling as "fake" rather than the proper French annunciation "foe". Therefore, in the USA (my target audience) it will most often be pronounced "Fake- Que", immediately bringing to mind...hey, I get it, that is a FAKE ZEQUE! Incidentally, the word "faux" ,is generally accepted in the American version of english to mean "fake", as an imposter, or copy, generally of inferior quality to the original.
Put all of this information together, the underlying, super subtle meaning is "Fake Zeque"!
The real back ground on this can be found from a previous RCU build thread called "Zeque Build Glow Powered". Many of the replies/additions/posts brought to light the fantastic amount of money required to own an Oxai model and that quite honestly got me thinking. I thought about the idea of taking a successful available pattern design and by somehow stealing ideas from other smart people, I could have something pretty close...like one receives when they buy a faux Rolex watch for $20 rather than the $4,000 original.
Regarding my disclosure of my affiliation with Team Futaba and Team YS Parts and Service, this brings to light another excellent question. Personally, I am sometimes suspicious about individuals using public "chat forums" to hawk products. The solution most appropriate for me is to disclose any potential conflicts of interests, consistently. This consistent disclosure makes the assumption that an RCU member maybe reading my posts as a one time event rather than considering them as a consistent and focused body of work. Further more, the word "sponsorship" implies that, one who is sponsored, receives compensation including monetary compensation, products and or expense allowances/reimbursement. A pilot who is a "team" member, may receive access to timely technical information, participate in beta testing and generally a discount for purchases. I am not a "sponsored" pilot, rather have a "team" affiliation.
Regarding the value I add or do not add to my team affiliations? I am confident that my communications, efforts to educate and promote the sport of precision aerobatics are consistent with the core values of the companies I represent.
What to expect from this thread?
I encourage anyone sitting on the edge of your seats, to visit RCU thread "Zeque build glow powered" for the structure, perspective and details I find interesting. Many of you will find no value in this thread and I encourage you to make another selection.
Excellent questions thus far!
Rusty Dose
Team Futaba
Team YS Parts and Service
Team Bla Bla
"Faux-Que" New F3A Design Build Thread
Prior to the 12/1/07 "Official" launch of the build thread, I would like to provide a few additional details for interested readers.
Question posed by demonstrably intelligent RCU member: Rusty, the name you selected seems to have/be a subtle play on words... (which, I thought no one else would recognize, so I pointed it out), why THAT name?
Rusty: Excellent observation, demonstrably intelligent RCU member. The basis for the airplane is a Piedmont Focus II (pronounced phoenetically foe-'cuss). The primary outline of the modified airplane will be from the Oxai-Zeque, from which I chose to use MY preferred annunciation, like the letter "q". Recognizing that these posts are reviewed with the greatest level of scrutiny, I believe Mr. Suzuki, the designer of the "Zeque" pronounces it like the letter "k". Personally, seeing Foe-Que on the side of a model, particularly mine, seems, well just a little too aggressive. I opted for the more sophisticated spelling (and pleases my dear friends based in France) of "Faux". Here is the irony: Most Americans pronounce this spelling as "fake" rather than the proper French annunciation "foe". Therefore, in the USA (my target audience) it will most often be pronounced "Fake- Que", immediately bringing to mind...hey, I get it, that is a FAKE ZEQUE! Incidentally, the word "faux" ,is generally accepted in the American version of english to mean "fake", as an imposter, or copy, generally of inferior quality to the original.
Put all of this information together, the underlying, super subtle meaning is "Fake Zeque"!
The real back ground on this can be found from a previous RCU build thread called "Zeque Build Glow Powered". Many of the replies/additions/posts brought to light the fantastic amount of money required to own an Oxai model and that quite honestly got me thinking. I thought about the idea of taking a successful available pattern design and by somehow stealing ideas from other smart people, I could have something pretty close...like one receives when they buy a faux Rolex watch for $20 rather than the $4,000 original.
Regarding my disclosure of my affiliation with Team Futaba and Team YS Parts and Service, this brings to light another excellent question. Personally, I am sometimes suspicious about individuals using public "chat forums" to hawk products. The solution most appropriate for me is to disclose any potential conflicts of interests, consistently. This consistent disclosure makes the assumption that an RCU member maybe reading my posts as a one time event rather than considering them as a consistent and focused body of work. Further more, the word "sponsorship" implies that, one who is sponsored, receives compensation including monetary compensation, products and or expense allowances/reimbursement. A pilot who is a "team" member, may receive access to timely technical information, participate in beta testing and generally a discount for purchases. I am not a "sponsored" pilot, rather have a "team" affiliation.
Regarding the value I add or do not add to my team affiliations? I am confident that my communications, efforts to educate and promote the sport of precision aerobatics are consistent with the core values of the companies I represent.
What to expect from this thread?
I encourage anyone sitting on the edge of your seats, to visit RCU thread "Zeque build glow powered" for the structure, perspective and details I find interesting. Many of you will find no value in this thread and I encourage you to make another selection.
Excellent questions thus far!
Rusty Dose
Team Futaba
Team YS Parts and Service
Team Bla Bla
Bla-Bla – we need more pithy analysis to connect the dot dot go fish shutes & ladders jump rope color by numbers monopoly Forest Gump logic. A financial backer type starts one thread without permission and was quickly asked which design was copied – BERusty unleashed a powerful sermon unto the ignorant. On his heels BERusty initiates a Faux-Que thread which he openly describes the all the planes he is going to copy. The black heart of the man was pointed out post#3 and another I’m smarter than you sermon was unleashed upon the stupid people post #6 combined with how his communication helps growpattern.
I’m at a loss but Forest just called and thinks that stupid is as stupid dose. This whole thing smells like haggis. Quick! Who is running out to buy products available now pimped by BERusty. Accipe Hoc
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11-16-2007 | 08:46 PM
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"Faux-Que" New Design Build Thread
Fantastic interest thus far!
The most descerning and historical oriented readers will relate to my inspiration for this most serious build thread.
Hanno Prettner
Wanted: Rotating spoiler details wanted!
I am interested in attempting to recreate an unusual feature utilized in the last Tournament of Champions in which conventional sized pattern models of the era, were flown. Specifically, Hanno featured a variation of the Curare' with his flap/spoilers and (2) spoilers which rotated out of each wing. The spoilers were placed outside of the flap/spoilers, about the high point of the wings and had about (2x) area protruding from the bottom of the wing as the top. I believe Model Airplane News, the magazine sponsor, featured photos and drawings by Jim Newman about the TOC. Any original photos or drawings would be most helpful.
The following details have been sourced and engineered except as noted:
Stab design: The Zeque and Integral both have a unique outline. Each is rather square or constant chord and have a very straight trailing edge relative to many current designs. Material will be added to the leading edge of the elevators and reshaped.
Anhedral: I will use the same angle as my new oxai-Beryll stab. Per a conversation with Dave Guerin, I will calculate the new mean aerodynamic chord and move the stab location "up" to retain the stab/wing/thrust decalage. A properly balanced Focus II requires a minimum amount of elevator mix for rudder application in knife edge.
Wing: The wingspan will be shortened (2"), additional trailing edge taper at the wing tip 1/2" and 0" at root, a much more blunt leading edge and the identical tip design used on the Brio (5" radius). The Hanno flap/spoilers will be added as well a serious consideration of how to engineer the nifty rotating blade spoilers.
Fuselage: The canopy will be moved forward to the rear edge of the cowl, 3/4" added to the top, 1/2" added to the bottom from the trailing edge of the wing forward, Oxai-Beryll cowl shape in the front, Zeque shape for the top of the cowl, (1 - 11/2") sub fin beginning at leading edge of stab, fin moved forward similar to Oxalys, Zeque and Astral, Zeque landing gear and wheel pants.
Canalizer: Full size templates from CPLR Oxalys and construction methology.
Weight: The reduced wing area will require the model to weigh 10.25 pounds or less without fuel, requiring lots of lightening holes etc. The additional servos to move the silly flap/spoilers let alone the rotating blade spoilers will quickly add weight.
Rusty Dose
Team Futaba
Team YS Parts and Service
Team Bla Bla
P.S. 3DnSD, Dave Guerin gave me permission to post the photos of the "JFM", as he has for other projects. Thank you for your continued inspiration and greater appreciation of my efforts in english class.
Fantastic interest thus far!
The most descerning and historical oriented readers will relate to my inspiration for this most serious build thread.
Hanno Prettner
Wanted: Rotating spoiler details wanted!
I am interested in attempting to recreate an unusual feature utilized in the last Tournament of Champions in which conventional sized pattern models of the era, were flown. Specifically, Hanno featured a variation of the Curare' with his flap/spoilers and (2) spoilers which rotated out of each wing. The spoilers were placed outside of the flap/spoilers, about the high point of the wings and had about (2x) area protruding from the bottom of the wing as the top. I believe Model Airplane News, the magazine sponsor, featured photos and drawings by Jim Newman about the TOC. Any original photos or drawings would be most helpful.
The following details have been sourced and engineered except as noted:
Stab design: The Zeque and Integral both have a unique outline. Each is rather square or constant chord and have a very straight trailing edge relative to many current designs. Material will be added to the leading edge of the elevators and reshaped.
Anhedral: I will use the same angle as my new oxai-Beryll stab. Per a conversation with Dave Guerin, I will calculate the new mean aerodynamic chord and move the stab location "up" to retain the stab/wing/thrust decalage. A properly balanced Focus II requires a minimum amount of elevator mix for rudder application in knife edge.
Wing: The wingspan will be shortened (2"), additional trailing edge taper at the wing tip 1/2" and 0" at root, a much more blunt leading edge and the identical tip design used on the Brio (5" radius). The Hanno flap/spoilers will be added as well a serious consideration of how to engineer the nifty rotating blade spoilers.
Fuselage: The canopy will be moved forward to the rear edge of the cowl, 3/4" added to the top, 1/2" added to the bottom from the trailing edge of the wing forward, Oxai-Beryll cowl shape in the front, Zeque shape for the top of the cowl, (1 - 11/2") sub fin beginning at leading edge of stab, fin moved forward similar to Oxalys, Zeque and Astral, Zeque landing gear and wheel pants.
Canalizer: Full size templates from CPLR Oxalys and construction methology.
Weight: The reduced wing area will require the model to weigh 10.25 pounds or less without fuel, requiring lots of lightening holes etc. The additional servos to move the silly flap/spoilers let alone the rotating blade spoilers will quickly add weight.
Rusty Dose
Team Futaba
Team YS Parts and Service
Team Bla Bla
P.S. 3DnSD, Dave Guerin gave me permission to post the photos of the "JFM", as he has for other projects. Thank you for your continued inspiration and greater appreciation of my efforts in english class.
11-16-2007 | 09:27 PM
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RE: "Faux-Que" New F3A Design Build Thread
Hey Rusty,
I`m not sure what you are trying to do here other than have some fun, seems like a awful lot of waisted effort to prove a point to a dumbfounded audience.
your stature in this sport is worth more than a few yucks.
you can`t take anything personal on this list you know.
However,
I `m glad 3DnSD is off "my" back
PS. I Hope My english is good enough for your language tutorial,
it`s been "real" hard keeping up ,, you know us cajun boys !!<VBG>
I`m not sure what you are trying to do here other than have some fun, seems like a awful lot of waisted effort to prove a point to a dumbfounded audience.
your stature in this sport is worth more than a few yucks.
you can`t take anything personal on this list you know.
However,
I `m glad 3DnSD is off "my" back
PS. I Hope My english is good enough for your language tutorial,
it`s been "real" hard keeping up ,, you know us cajun boys !!<VBG>
11-16-2007 | 09:33 PM
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Rusty,
I have seen the flap/spoiler device you are looking for.
I am sure someone, somewhere has a copy of the original Curare plans showing how they were installed.
I did see Hanno fly in the 1983 Pensacola World Championships.
That was the year he flew the Calypso.
He had a different kind of braking device on that plane.
He had flat plates installed on the forward edge of the landing gear legs.
When the gear was extended, either fully or partially, these flat plates acted as air brakes.
He had them set so that on the downlines the gear only extended ever so slightly...just enough to expose the "brakes".
I think a Focus II with retracts would look cool!
I know I was impressed with the looks of Lance's plane in the air at the Nats this summer.
Just a thought....
JLK
I have seen the flap/spoiler device you are looking for.
I am sure someone, somewhere has a copy of the original Curare plans showing how they were installed.
I did see Hanno fly in the 1983 Pensacola World Championships.
That was the year he flew the Calypso.
He had a different kind of braking device on that plane.
He had flat plates installed on the forward edge of the landing gear legs.
When the gear was extended, either fully or partially, these flat plates acted as air brakes.
He had them set so that on the downlines the gear only extended ever so slightly...just enough to expose the "brakes".
I think a Focus II with retracts would look cool!
I know I was impressed with the looks of Lance's plane in the air at the Nats this summer.
Just a thought....
JLK
11-16-2007 | 10:11 PM
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Thank you for your kind comments and your english is just fine.
Regarding this thread...it is serious, despite the less than serious name, which my closest flying buddies have heard about, since I purchased the kit last Fall. My closest friends know that for each of the last 10 years, I have built/contracted a model that I wanted as a kid but could not afford including a Gator Flea, Sig Kommander, House of Balsa 1/2a Bonnanza, Bridi Dirty Birdy, Sig Yak 18, rubber models... My 2008 project is the "Faux-Que", literally celebrating 30 years of my interest in precision aerobatics.
Like many of you, as a kid, now I am a 44 year old kid, I read every word I could find written by Don Lowe (American Aircraft Modeler), Olie Olsen (Multi Wing Things, American Aircraft Modeler), Dick Hansen, Eric Henderson, Dean Pappas and all of the others who took the time to share their perspective, share their experiences and challenge our imaginations.
This thread clearly is not for everyone and may be best appreciated after spending at least 5 minutes with me in person.
Rusty Dose
Team Futaba
Team YS Parts and Service
Team Bla Bla
Thank you for your kind comments and your english is just fine.
Regarding this thread...it is serious, despite the less than serious name, which my closest flying buddies have heard about, since I purchased the kit last Fall. My closest friends know that for each of the last 10 years, I have built/contracted a model that I wanted as a kid but could not afford including a Gator Flea, Sig Kommander, House of Balsa 1/2a Bonnanza, Bridi Dirty Birdy, Sig Yak 18, rubber models... My 2008 project is the "Faux-Que", literally celebrating 30 years of my interest in precision aerobatics.
Like many of you, as a kid, now I am a 44 year old kid, I read every word I could find written by Don Lowe (American Aircraft Modeler), Olie Olsen (Multi Wing Things, American Aircraft Modeler), Dick Hansen, Eric Henderson, Dean Pappas and all of the others who took the time to share their perspective, share their experiences and challenge our imaginations.
This thread clearly is not for everyone and may be best appreciated after spending at least 5 minutes with me in person.
Rusty Dose
Team Futaba
Team YS Parts and Service
Team Bla Bla
