I noticed 2011 sequences have been proposed here [link=http://nsrca.us/proposedsequences/2011sequences.html]at NSRCA[/link].

Can somebody please explain the sequence modification process? What is the current status of the proposal? Will there be new sequences for 2011? If so, when can we see them?

I am interested in the intermediate sequence in particular.

Thanks in advance.

The proposed sequences are now under review by the AMA and if approved, would not take effect until 2011'.


-mark

The 2011 contest board rules procedures can be found in the AMA website

http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/CBProcedures.doc

Glen

Any status update on the review of 2011 Intermediate sequence?

There is a rules proposal ( [link]http://modelaircraft.org/files/RCA11-22Koopowitz2.pdf[/link] ) to take the sequences out of the AMA rule book and allow the NSRCA to change the sequences as they see fit. The NSRCA has appointed a sequence committee and that committee has been working on the new sequences. The new sequences they are proposing can be found here. [link]http://nsrca.us/proposedsequences/2011sequences.html[/link]

Joe Dunnaway

My question would be when will we know if the sequesnces are approved as written? A looooong time ago when we last changed the sequences we knew early enough to use them at the contests that were flown post NATS. We have a few contests in Oct. here in D6 and I was wondering if we will be able to try out the new sequences this fall? Or should I ask??!?LOL

I think the only question on sequences left is whether to fly the long or short masters patterns. I believe the others will be flown as they are listed,

Archie

Aren't all the new sequences tied to the rules proposal to take all AMA sequences out of the rule book and turn over responsibility to NSRCA? As I read the proposals there is no back up rule proposal to introduce new sequences in 2011 if the rule book change is not passed by the CB. If not passed, then we'd have to fly the current schedules for two more years. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this.

It already passed the initial vote. I think it is a foregone conclusion. Proposal # RCA 11-22. Passed by an initial vote of 9-1.

Joe, Almost every proposal will pass the initial vote but I agree with you that it will probably pass. I think the only reservation that I have is that I would like to see a procedure in place that will handle creating the sequences and getting feedback from the pattern community before changing the sequences.

Joe Dunnaway

Does this meet your criteria and concerns?

http://nsrca.us/documents/judging/pr..._Procedure.pdf

I did read that Joe.... It makes me feel much easier about it.

Thank you

Joe Dunnaway

Sounds like we will not see the final version until Jan of 2011.

Here is the excerpt from the NSRCA procedures document.

Develop preliminary change/Sequences and flight tests May 01 - Sep 01, X-1
Publish for comment by competitors on NSRCA website/K-Factor Sep 02 – Oct 30, X-1
Finalize changes/Sequence selection based on comments Nov 30, X
Submit proposed changes/sequences to NSRCA Board Jan 15, X

Just took another look at what was intended. Year X is actually when the sequences would have to be submitted as part of the rule book proposal process.
These schedules were actually put together in 2009. Year X this time around was 2010 based on what is currently written. Assuming the schedules are going to be removed from the rule book we can probably adjust the timeframe. At least now we can have 6 months or more under our belts to evaluate current sequences before we start putting together new ones if we want. One advantage of taking the sequences out of the book. Will need to make it clearer what Year X is.


I'm glad some people are actually reading this document. Please let me know anything that seems out of line or unclear so we can clean it up.

Joe, I think Derek has been revising and updating it. He said the updated version should be posted soon.

Joe Dunnaway

Yup... it was posted this morning. Please read through the document and let us know if it is unclear so that we can provide clarification.

There is a mistake in the procedures document. It says that to "Finalize changes/Sequence selection based on comments Nov 30, X", but "submit proposed changes/sequences to NSRCA Board Jan 15, X". I believe the Nov 30 date should be X-1.

Jon

In addition, there is no date for the NSRCA board to actually approve and publish the schedules. The board needs to be given a date when that has to happen. Also, what happens if the board doesn't approve one or more schedules? Do we revert to the previous schedule(s) for the next 2 years?

I also think the Jan 15th date of year x is too late for the board to get the schedules to vote on. In the southeast, there are several contests in the Jan thru March timeframe. The schedules need to be approved and published by Dec 31st of year x-1, so that competitors know what to practice, and to allow for the necessary changes to scoring programs, give CD's time to prepare, etc. The proposed procedures are also putting this task on a board with many new members at their first meeting. This needs to finalized by the board prior to members going out of office.

Please read my comment in an above post. People are misinterpreting the dates. X is the year proposals haved to be in for the AMA proposal cycle. So Jan 15th is really in 2010 this last cycle. THe schedule may need to be revised if the sequences are removed from the rule book which I think it will. I have been clarifying and adding a few things to the procedure based on some comments I have gotten or seen. And Jan 15th is into the NSRCA Board not contest board. Like I said, that schedule is a RECOMMENDED schedule and was based on the assumption at that time that we would have to submit a rules proposal, but were told to hold off. By the way, I believe there is a way to implement new schedules if we did miss the contest board approval process anyway.

Once the final voting of the Contest Board is done, schedules will probably be made official by the NSRCA Board. This should happen sometime this fall.

There is no need for panic guys.

Ok, now I understand what the document is, as it assumes the AMA contest board remains in control of our sequences. Hopefully, it is of academic interest at this point as far as the schedule goes.

However, I think we ought to be seriously looking at what the timeline is for new 2011 sequences assuming the contest board approves NSRCA having control. Right now, I see no other means for new sequences for next year; I can't find any proposals for new sequences on the AMA site. I think the contest board would also be interested in knowing what our procedures would be if we are in control before they vote. The final vote ballots for the the contest board will be mailed to them at the end of August, and the final vote will be published on 30 Sep, so we will know our fate then. Obviously, these dates are right on top of us. What is the timeline for the NSRCA board to approve new sequences this transition year, and what will it be in future years?

The contest board is well aware of the procedures. Afterall, most are active NSRCA members. The procedures have been posted for some time on the NSRCA site. I also forwarded a more recent update to John Fuqua and the NSRCA version was updated. The document is pretty much done. There might be a thing or two that changes, but nothing major. The intent is to make the document a living document. Everytime time we look to change the sequences, the procedures must be reviewed to ensure that it is in synch with the current state of the event.

The sequence development timeline for the future needs to be discussed some more.

I have ONLY been talking about the timeline. What is it? Right now we don't have one, especially for this cycle. Same issue was discussed at the NSRCA board meeting by Derek and others, IE, we have a procedure for developing sequences, but not one for implementing them. When will the membership know what has been approved for 2011? Oct? Nov? Dec?

I'm not meaning to step on toes, but you asked for input, and I'm giving it.

Obviously, we will just have to wait till the Contest Board takes its final vote.

The R/C Aerobatics Contest Board final vote is in September. The rule book will then be revised and published before the end of this year.
Tom

What does "on corner" mean? There is a square loop 'on corner' in the intermediate 2011 schedule.

Also, humpty bump: are these always inverted over the top or right side up?