HL Tiger 1 Barrel Elevation.
04-04-2009 | 07:41 PM
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HL Tiger 1 Barrel Elevation.
I just got my Tiger from Mato Toys, got it off their ebay store, and I noticed the barrel doesn't elevate and the airsoft gun doesn't work either.
The airsoft gun isn't a big issue as I have decided to swith the tank over to IR anyway. I would, however, like it if my barrel would elevate properly. I noticed that when I pull back on the stick it makes a noise, but nothing but an erie silence when I push the stick forward.
I have no idea what is going on as this is my first venture into tanks, and yes, I am addicted lol. I don't even know how to go about taking this thing apart lol.... Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Also, it seems to me that Heng Long has corrected some of the historical accuracies of the tank as well. The commanders hatch was on correctly, the mantlet was positioned correctly and the rear gunners porthole was also put in the turret in its correct position. YAY for HL taking the initiative and correcting some of its inaccuracies
Steve
The airsoft gun isn't a big issue as I have decided to swith the tank over to IR anyway. I would, however, like it if my barrel would elevate properly. I noticed that when I pull back on the stick it makes a noise, but nothing but an erie silence when I push the stick forward.
I have no idea what is going on as this is my first venture into tanks, and yes, I am addicted lol. I don't even know how to go about taking this thing apart lol.... Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Also, it seems to me that Heng Long has corrected some of the historical accuracies of the tank as well. The commanders hatch was on correctly, the mantlet was positioned correctly and the rear gunners porthole was also put in the turret in its correct position. YAY for HL taking the initiative and correcting some of its inaccuracies
Steve
04-04-2009 | 07:55 PM
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RE: HL Tiger 1 Barrel Elevation.
Hey SSR,
Well my brother it looks like you get to got hunting. Actually it sounds like one of the wires that goes to the little six place board has come loose. No big deal. Just take off the tracks. Take thethree body and six sponson screws out.
Lift off the top (ever so carefully) When you are clear remove the 8 pin connector and then turn the hull upside down and look at the wires just to the side of the turret rotation motor. Resolder and reverse the above.
If all the wires look good then you might have a bad board. What a great time to upgrade to an RX-18.
Don
Well my brother it looks like you get to got hunting. Actually it sounds like one of the wires that goes to the little six place board has come loose. No big deal. Just take off the tracks. Take thethree body and six sponson screws out.
Lift off the top (ever so carefully) When you are clear remove the 8 pin connector and then turn the hull upside down and look at the wires just to the side of the turret rotation motor. Resolder and reverse the above.
If all the wires look good then you might have a bad board. What a great time to upgrade to an RX-18.
Don
04-04-2009 | 07:57 PM
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RE: HL Tiger 1 Barrel Elevation.
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Hey SSR,
Well my brother it looks like you get to got hunting. Actually it sounds like one of the wires that goes to the little six place board has come loose. No big deal. Just take off the tracks. Take thethree body and six sponson screws out.
Lift off the top (ever so carefully) When you are clear remove the 8 pin connector and then turn the hull upside down and look at the wires just to the side of the turret rotation motor. Resolder and reverse the above.
If all the wires look good then you might have a bad board. What a great time to upgrade to an RX-18.
Don
Hey SSR,
Well my brother it looks like you get to got hunting. Actually it sounds like one of the wires that goes to the little six place board has come loose. No big deal. Just take off the tracks. Take thethree body and six sponson screws out.
Lift off the top (ever so carefully) When you are clear remove the 8 pin connector and then turn the hull upside down and look at the wires just to the side of the turret rotation motor. Resolder and reverse the above.
If all the wires look good then you might have a bad board. What a great time to upgrade to an RX-18.
Don
Thanks for the help, I will take a look in there and see what I can find. What's the difference between the RX-18 and the board it would have in there now?
04-04-2009 | 08:07 PM
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RE: HL Tiger 1 Barrel Elevation.
Chances are you have the RX-14 in now. The diffrence is you can add the high voltage flash at a later time. Ithnk the RX-18 gives better speed control, and from my expeirence they seem just a little more robust. It is worth the effort and the little money and time that it takes.
Don
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04-04-2009 | 11:08 PM
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RE: HL Tiger 1 Barrel Elevation.
Hey, you are right in town. I'll be able to fix whatever might be wrong with it. Up movement on theleft joystick fires the gun. Down makes the bbl elevate. As you have no elevation or gun firing it might be the left Joystick gimble causing trouble. No fear I have lots of those too.
Bring it over to the house and we will we get it fixed
Bring it over to the house and we will we get it fixed
04-05-2009 | 01:28 AM
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04-06-2009 | 02:07 PM
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RE: HL Tiger 1 Barrel Elevation.
ORIGINAL: YHR
Hey, you are right in town. I'll be able to fix whatever might be wrong with it. Up movement on theleft joystick fires the gun. Down makes the bbl elevate. As you have no elevation or gun firing it might be the left Joystick gimble causing trouble. No fear I have lots of those too.
Bring it over to the house and we will we get it fixed
Hey, you are right in town. I'll be able to fix whatever might be wrong with it. Up movement on theleft joystick fires the gun. Down makes the bbl elevate. As you have no elevation or gun firing it might be the left Joystick gimble causing trouble. No fear I have lots of those too.
Bring it over to the house and we will we get it fixed
Ya I think I might have to do that because I don't have a clue whats going on here lol.... The only time the left stick seems to make the gun fire is when the motor for the bb gun is turned on. When that motor is turned off the stick does nithing. There is a button on the TX that controls the gun firing while the BB gun is switched off.
04-06-2009 | 07:32 PM
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RE: HL Tiger 1 Barrel Elevation.
ORIGINAL: ssrc30
Ya I think I might have to do that because I don't have a clue whats going on here lol.... The only time the left stick seems to make the gun fire is when the motor for the bb gun is turned on. When that motor is turned off the stick does nithing. There is a button on the TX that controls the gun firing while the BB gun is switched off.
ORIGINAL: YHR
Hey, you are right in town. I'll be able to fix whatever might be wrong with it. Up movement on theleft joystick fires the gun. Down makes the bbl elevate. As you have no elevation or gun firing it might be the left Joystick gimble causing trouble. No fear I have lots of those too.
Bring it over to the house and we will we get it fixed
Hey, you are right in town. I'll be able to fix whatever might be wrong with it. Up movement on theleft joystick fires the gun. Down makes the bbl elevate. As you have no elevation or gun firing it might be the left Joystick gimble causing trouble. No fear I have lots of those too.
Bring it over to the house and we will we get it fixed
Ya I think I might have to do that because I don't have a clue whats going on here lol.... The only time the left stick seems to make the gun fire is when the motor for the bb gun is turned on. When that motor is turned off the stick does nithing. There is a button on the TX that controls the gun firing while the BB gun is switched off.
Ya that is how they are designed to work. Gun elevation isn't up and down with the joystick. There is a cam inside the tank that rotates, so gun elevation is down on the left joystick, and hold it down and the gun will cycle through a complete up and down movement.
04-07-2009 | 12:05 AM
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RE: HL Tiger 1 Barrel Elevation.
ORIGINAL: YHR
Ya that is how they are designed to work. Gun elevation isn't up and down with the joystick. There is a cam inside the tank that rotates, so gun elevation is down on the left joystick, and hold it down and the gun will cycle through a complete up and down movement.
ORIGINAL: ssrc30
Ya I think I might have to do that because I don't have a clue whats going on here lol.... The only time the left stick seems to make the gun fire is when the motor for the bb gun is turned on. When that motor is turned off the stick does nithing. There is a button on the TX that controls the gun firing while the BB gun is switched off.
ORIGINAL: YHR
Hey, you are right in town. I'll be able to fix whatever might be wrong with it. Up movement on theleft joystick fires the gun. Down makes the bbl elevate. As you have no elevation or gun firing it might be the left Joystick gimble causing trouble. No fear I have lots of those too.
Bring it over to the house and we will we get it fixed
Hey, you are right in town. I'll be able to fix whatever might be wrong with it. Up movement on theleft joystick fires the gun. Down makes the bbl elevate. As you have no elevation or gun firing it might be the left Joystick gimble causing trouble. No fear I have lots of those too.
Bring it over to the house and we will we get it fixed
Ya I think I might have to do that because I don't have a clue whats going on here lol.... The only time the left stick seems to make the gun fire is when the motor for the bb gun is turned on. When that motor is turned off the stick does nithing. There is a button on the TX that controls the gun firing while the BB gun is switched off.
Ya that is how they are designed to work. Gun elevation isn't up and down with the joystick. There is a cam inside the tank that rotates, so gun elevation is down on the left joystick, and hold it down and the gun will cycle through a complete up and down movement.
Is it possible there is something wrong with that cam then? When I pull the stick back I hear the motor working but nothing happens.
04-07-2009 | 01:05 AM
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What you are hearing may just be the sound effect of the gun travel. What that does is verify there is nothing wrong with the transmitter, so the problem is inside the tank. The Elevation system is pretty bullet proof, so it is most likely a wire off or something similiar. It won't be anything major. I'll have a look at it this weekend if you don't get it figured out by then.
To remove the top section of a tiger, you have to first remove the tracks and then undo all the screws you see(Except three grouped together near the rear of the tank. These attach the smoker)Once the screws are all out the top half pretty much falls away from the chassis.
To remove the top section of a tiger, you have to first remove the tracks and then undo all the screws you see(Except three grouped together near the rear of the tank. These attach the smoker)Once the screws are all out the top half pretty much falls away from the chassis.
04-07-2009 | 06:15 AM
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Hey guys,
I've got exactly the same problem with my son's (ha!) mato Tiger.... when I try and elevate the gun, I hear a whirring and some clicks, but no elevation. The airsoft gun still work though.
Wish I was in Alberta too! If you two do connect to open the tiger up and fix the problem, any chance you could snap a few photos as you diagnose and fix the problem? Maybe we're having a similar issue with our Tigers.
Shep
I've got exactly the same problem with my son's (ha!) mato Tiger.... when I try and elevate the gun, I hear a whirring and some clicks, but no elevation. The airsoft gun still work though.
Wish I was in Alberta too! If you two do connect to open the tiger up and fix the problem, any chance you could snap a few photos as you diagnose and fix the problem? Maybe we're having a similar issue with our Tigers.
Shep
04-07-2009 | 08:32 AM
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ORIGINAL: bigfiver69
Hey guys,
I've got exactly the same problem with my son's (ha!) mato Tiger.... when I try and elevate the gun, I hear a whirring and some clicks, but no elevation. The airsoft gun still work though.
Wish I was in Alberta too! If you two do connect to open the tiger up and fix the problem, any chance you could snap a few photos as you diagnose and fix the problem? Maybe we're having a similar issue with our Tigers.
Shep
Hey guys,
I've got exactly the same problem with my son's (ha!) mato Tiger.... when I try and elevate the gun, I hear a whirring and some clicks, but no elevation. The airsoft gun still work though.
Wish I was in Alberta too! If you two do connect to open the tiger up and fix the problem, any chance you could snap a few photos as you diagnose and fix the problem? Maybe we're having a similar issue with our Tigers.
Shep
04-07-2009 | 09:38 AM
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Hmmm... "The only time the left stick seems to make the gun fire is when the motor for the bb gun is turned on" Do you mean the switch up in the loaders hatch? That is supposed to turn off the airsoft - safety feature for the kids I guess. So, does that mean that your airsoft issue is resolved?
As for the barrel elevation, as stated previously, pushing the left stick down works both up and down for the barrel - you just have to wait through the cycle. It is also possible if you are hearing the motor turn that the airsoft unit was not properly installed. There is a tab on the back of the airsoft gun that fits into the cam that turns to raise the barrel up and down. If the tab isn't inserted properly the gun won't go up and down. I did this once when putting everything back together. Take it apart and confirm that the cam is turning and then reinstall making sure that that tab is inserted in the opening. Pretty simple set up and you'll see what I mean when you take a peek in there.
Also, when you put it back together, don't forget the spring that sits between the airsoft unit and the top of the turret [this could also be off causing the problem]. The spring keeps downward pressure on the airsoft gun and makes it engage the cam. The spring will probably come off, but you will see a circle on the top of the turret - it just sits [kind of snaps] on that circle. I put a drop of CA on mine to make it a bit easier to put everything back together and prevents it from coming off.
As for the barrel elevation, as stated previously, pushing the left stick down works both up and down for the barrel - you just have to wait through the cycle. It is also possible if you are hearing the motor turn that the airsoft unit was not properly installed. There is a tab on the back of the airsoft gun that fits into the cam that turns to raise the barrel up and down. If the tab isn't inserted properly the gun won't go up and down. I did this once when putting everything back together. Take it apart and confirm that the cam is turning and then reinstall making sure that that tab is inserted in the opening. Pretty simple set up and you'll see what I mean when you take a peek in there.
Also, when you put it back together, don't forget the spring that sits between the airsoft unit and the top of the turret [this could also be off causing the problem]. The spring keeps downward pressure on the airsoft gun and makes it engage the cam. The spring will probably come off, but you will see a circle on the top of the turret - it just sits [kind of snaps] on that circle. I put a drop of CA on mine to make it a bit easier to put everything back together and prevents it from coming off.
04-07-2009 | 12:58 PM
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RE: HL Tiger 1 Barrel Elevation.
ORIGINAL: bigfiver69
Hey guys,
I've got exactly the same problem with my son's (ha!) mato Tiger.... when I try and elevate the gun, I hear a whirring and some clicks, but no elevation. The airsoft gun still work though.
Wish I was in Alberta too! If you two do connect to open the tiger up and fix the problem, any chance you could snap a few photos as you diagnose and fix the problem? Maybe we're having a similar issue with our Tigers.
Shep
Hey guys,
I've got exactly the same problem with my son's (ha!) mato Tiger.... when I try and elevate the gun, I hear a whirring and some clicks, but no elevation. The airsoft gun still work though.
Wish I was in Alberta too! If you two do connect to open the tiger up and fix the problem, any chance you could snap a few photos as you diagnose and fix the problem? Maybe we're having a similar issue with our Tigers.
Shep
Yours sounds like the unit is working but like Ern mentioned maybe the spring has pop out! ( Great tip by Ern to glue it down ) Back to your problem you may have a sre loose or out on your supports allowing the whole gun mechanism to squew to the side! Open her up and you should be able to spot it! Here is anohter tip for those that want a simple faster turret elevation, install the Panzer III elevation unit it is much smaller so the cam time is shorter! Now you loose a little span, but not much and you will need to move the stand offs for the unit to fit right, cut with a dremil, plastic fusion to the new spot done!
The Blitz
04-12-2009 | 08:47 AM
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ssrc30 brought his tiger over yesterday, and we had it apart for the gun elevation problem. Wiring was OK. Checked everything with my voltmeter and we had voltage to the motor, but no action. I wired the elevation motor directly to a battery source, and the motor was fine. Determined that although we had voltage to the motor it wasn't supplying enough amperage to make it move. I then turned my attention to the board. Once I removed that and flipped it over I saw what the problem was. A fried resistor. My mountain of fried HL boards meant I had a replacement at hand. Changed out the resistor and we were in business, and ssrc30 has a fully functioning tank.
This weekend I had two visitors who were interested in these tanks, and the big comment was what an incredible value these HL's represent. For the price of a high end ESC in a racing buggy you can have an entire 1/16 RC model!!. I did warn them though. It dosen't end there. My fully loaded Tiger with the Elmod sound system was there to show what can be done and the expense to get it there. Anyway it was great to have some guys start to show interest, and ssrc30 is a member of the local RC racing club which is very well supported in this town. The hope is once guys see these tanks in action, and the entry price, it won't be long unto a few more divert to tanks just for something different.
Don't know what ssrc30 thought of my workshop. I had being installing an Elmod sytem in my Tiger, and when I am working on a project I tend to use the tools and leave them where they lay. I felt like the nutty professor with tools and parts scattered across my work bench.
This weekend I had two visitors who were interested in these tanks, and the big comment was what an incredible value these HL's represent. For the price of a high end ESC in a racing buggy you can have an entire 1/16 RC model!!. I did warn them though. It dosen't end there. My fully loaded Tiger with the Elmod sound system was there to show what can be done and the expense to get it there. Anyway it was great to have some guys start to show interest, and ssrc30 is a member of the local RC racing club which is very well supported in this town. The hope is once guys see these tanks in action, and the entry price, it won't be long unto a few more divert to tanks just for something different.
Don't know what ssrc30 thought of my workshop. I had being installing an Elmod sytem in my Tiger, and when I am working on a project I tend to use the tools and leave them where they lay. I felt like the nutty professor with tools and parts scattered across my work bench.
04-12-2009 | 12:41 PM
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Nice job getting him back working and recruiting YHR! This forum is awesome - had it not been for your help he may have just pitched the thing and moved on to another hobby. Hopefully he also learned how, for the most part, simple and inexpensive these things are to work on [and also part of the fun]! [sm=thumbs_up.gif][sm=thumbs_up.gif]
04-12-2009 | 02:28 PM
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Great job YHR - and yeah, it's a killer hobby, and quite addictive.
I'm hoping to open up my HL Tiger next weekend and find out why I've got no elevation.... I'll let you all know how it goes.
Shep
I'm hoping to open up my HL Tiger next weekend and find out why I've got no elevation.... I'll let you all know how it goes.
Shep
04-13-2009 | 11:03 AM
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ORIGINAL: YHR
ssrc30 brought his tiger over yesterday, and we had it apart for the gun elevation problem. Wiring was OK. Checked everything with my voltmeter and we had voltage to the motor, but no action. I wired the elevation motor directly to a battery source, and the motor was fine. Determined that although we had voltage to the motor it wasn't supplying enough amperage to make it move. I then turned my attention to the board. Once I removed that and flipped it over I saw what the problem was. A fried resistor. My mountain of fried HL boards meant I had a replacement at hand. Changed out the resistor and we were in business, and ssrc30 has a fully functioning tank.
This weekend I had two visitors who were interested in these tanks, and the big comment was what an incredible value these HL's represent. For the price of a high end ESC in a racing buggy you can have an entire 1/16 RC model!!. I did warn them though. It dosen't end there. My fully loaded Tiger with the Elmod sound system was there to show what can be done and the expense to get it there. Anyway it was great to have some guys start to show interest, and ssrc30 is a member of the local RC racing club which is very well supported in this town. The hope is once guys see these tanks in action, and the entry price, it won't be long unto a few more divert to tanks just for something different.
Don't know what ssrc30 thought of my workshop. I had being installing an Elmod sytem in my Tiger, and when I am working on a project I tend to use the tools and leave them where they lay. I felt like the nutty professor with tools and parts scattered across my work bench.
ssrc30 brought his tiger over yesterday, and we had it apart for the gun elevation problem. Wiring was OK. Checked everything with my voltmeter and we had voltage to the motor, but no action. I wired the elevation motor directly to a battery source, and the motor was fine. Determined that although we had voltage to the motor it wasn't supplying enough amperage to make it move. I then turned my attention to the board. Once I removed that and flipped it over I saw what the problem was. A fried resistor. My mountain of fried HL boards meant I had a replacement at hand. Changed out the resistor and we were in business, and ssrc30 has a fully functioning tank.
This weekend I had two visitors who were interested in these tanks, and the big comment was what an incredible value these HL's represent. For the price of a high end ESC in a racing buggy you can have an entire 1/16 RC model!!. I did warn them though. It dosen't end there. My fully loaded Tiger with the Elmod sound system was there to show what can be done and the expense to get it there. Anyway it was great to have some guys start to show interest, and ssrc30 is a member of the local RC racing club which is very well supported in this town. The hope is once guys see these tanks in action, and the entry price, it won't be long unto a few more divert to tanks just for something different.
Don't know what ssrc30 thought of my workshop. I had being installing an Elmod sytem in my Tiger, and when I am working on a project I tend to use the tools and leave them where they lay. I felt like the nutty professor with tools and parts scattered across my work bench.
Thanks very much for the help YHR, your shop is likely one of the better shops I have seen. I only wish that I will have one like it some day. That fried resistor was quite the hunting expedition for a while there too lol....
