Yes. Most of us are out flying. Mine's a blast to fly, I just wish it wasn't such a pig. 15.8 lb (15 lb 13 oz) with no wheel pants, no belly pan, no
canopy, CF spinner, 0.9 oz mini servos, 6 oz removed in motor mounting hardware, firewall, and wing mounting hardware.

Before you guys jump all over me about the weight, I'll tell you why I wish it were lighter :

o It takes a lot more wind to do "flying backwards" harrier rolls, stationary knife edges, etc.

o When it stops flying, it takes a long time to recover. This is mostly a problem doing high alpha rolls low down then getting a head or tail
wind velocity change. Unlike some of my ships, I maintain 20' of altitude for these maneuvers if the wind is at all gusty.

o Everyone who watches me fly it tells me "man that thing sure looks like it flies great, but why won't it go slow?"

A lot of people will probably say that this plane flies lighter than anything they've ever owned. It probably does. It flies almost as light
as a 28 lb 33% Edge 540T. It flies as light as a 10 lb 72" cap. These planes are a long way ahead of most.
However, it's far enough behind a 7.2 lb UCD 60, 5.3 lb flip, or a 23 lb 35% extra 260 that both I and the peanut gallery can discern it immediately.

This plane is, in some respects, the best flying plane I've ever flown.
o Upright harriers and elevators are incredible
o Torque rolls lock in and require very little correction even when descending
o Spins are extremely precise.
o it flies like in the video"
o walls, parachutes, waterfalls, etc are easy, never drop a wing, and need almost no rudder correction to maintain heading
o Very well built. High quality construction. High quality hardware. Beautiful aircraft.

On the negative side
o it flies heavy to me
o it has too much roll and pitch coupling to elevator and the coupling doesn't mix out nicely -- it changes too much based on airspeed and AOA.
o rolling circles are a lot of work due to the above
o I can't get it to flat spin well yet
o The manual was on a CD-rom, was called something like "test document.doc", and I had to print it myself
o The aileron servos need to be horizontal mount instead of vertical. With the supplied horns you can't get much
aileron throw with vertical mounting. Fuel tank installation isn't shown and isn't straightforward. You have
to cut stuff off the engine to get it to fit and the cabane mount support in the firewall is in the way. The engine
(DA-50) doesn't fit in the cowl.

Do you guys have any tips on how to mount the DA 50 with the stand off mounts[][sm=RAINFRO.gif]

rgreen24..... Check this thread out http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/New_...1818040/tm.htm
Think it is what your after.

G.

Question for Eric Henderson
Did you use the SlimLine Inverted Pitts Muffler with the DA 50r.

Thanks
Greg

Eric....... Never mind I found the thread where you had posted the DA 50 and the slimline muffler.
Thanks

I like it when the Q's get pre-answered.

I did remove the smoke insert and made a blank to replace it. I might fit smoke after the break-in is over...if I can wait that long? Any recommendations for the DA-50?

Eric.

Please put the smoke on your DV and shoooot some more video!! Eric do you remember how far out you spaced the engine so that the SlimLine would fit?

Greg

Hi

So I see most of you are using the DA50, but has anyone tried a glow engine in it ??
Like the YS140, or something simular, or would the 140 be a little too low on output for the DV ?? I thought originally Chip was designing it around the 140 ??

Thanks

If anything a Moki 2.1 would be the only glow that would work. It might make it a little lighter too.

The plane is in the 15-17 lb range. This is too much weight for a YS 1.40. Also an OS 1.60 would not be enough either.

A moki twin would do the job. :-)

Regards,

Eric.

Anyone have any experience with mounting a Canister, using the DA mount installation?

Does anyone know how the Double Vision is for anything other than 3D?? ie Chips original was a pattern plane. Does the DV perform at all as a pattern plane??

on low rates it would make an excellent pattern plane. I'd call it the best of both worlds. I performed my best 1 roll rolling circle with the DV.

Mark

Well, about 5 minutes ago my wife called and said that her sister accepted two big boxes from PlanesPlus (PP). I'm now waiting for the end of the work day. My sister-in-law meticulously noted box damage and markings and Carla at PP did insure two two packages. I was told that there where some small bumps marks on the box and also FOOTPRINTS, so I'm eager to get home and do an indepth in-box inspection. I really hope that all is OK and that no damage occured in shipping. Anyway, I look forwarded to getting her together and seeing what it will do. I still have a couple of things to finish before DVs. Hmm, maybe I can sweet talk a buddy into doing mine...one of the two is his!!!

Mark

Mark...how did you get it shipped from the states?....must of cost a small fortune.

Simon,
Carla shipped it from Plainesville, Illinois to Brussels Int Airport for $210.00...that is for 2. One would have been $175.00. No problem there, that is a great price. The problem occures when it gets to Belgium. The shipping for $210.00 is NOT door to door. It is door to port. The Belgian portion of the shipping coutry added Euro140,00 ($168.00) to carry them 45 minutes down the road and process the customs paper. Belgium authorities then added taxes to the purchase of Euro303,00 (+-$360.00). I think that they used a 1:1 rate when figuring taxes or import taxes far exceed the 21% VAT. Go figure, I can't get any more information on these issues.

Basically, I imported 2 DVs for just a bit as it cost for 1 DPM Ultimate. That was $400.00 for the airplane and $480.00 for shipping and customs.

Now, remember, this is Belgium and they tighten down the screws harder on the customer than most other European countries, taxing both the little customer and retailer to death (and then they wonder why off-books labor is sooooo popular, heck, it is a national sport). Check with your local import office and see what duty taxes are for hobby goods. Then check with your end of the shipping company and find out what you local costs will be. Door to door shipping does not include final leg delivery in most cases and DOES include very high costs for processing. It takes lots of research to really understand end costs for importing good for private use. This time I was fairly close. I figured about Euro350,00 for local costs.

Lastly, on the issue of costs. I learned long ago that if I wanted something to just deal with the costs and move on. I'm certain that when I take my DV out on a nice day with the DA50 turning nicely that the cost issues will quickly wash themselves away.

Regards,
Mark

It's not a pattern plane nor does he claim for it to be. But it flies pattern-style maneuvers better than many aircraft sold as IMAC competition planes.

Rolling circles were very hard for me to get to look nice with this plane until I used a 7 point mix for rudder to elevator and spent an entire flight with lots of
short landings getting the mixes just right.
Now that I've done that it beats the socks off almost anything not pattern specific. I love having an aircraft that I can do rollers and tail touches with on the same flight!

That's just the info I was looking for. My next plane will be a DV. Barryb - could you post more details on the 7 point mix, I'm new to computer radios (been out of the hobby for a while) and have a new Multiplex EVO. Why did it take so long to get it just right and what type of radio did you use.

You can see why I'm interested in the DV - I have a penchant for biplanes. It's a Goldberg Jungman with a YS 140. It's nice but I want more!

Thanks B.T.

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Great news. The DV made it without damage. Although the boxes seemed a little trampled and soft, the contents of the box where unscathed. Well packed and and taped into place, everything looks good. THE RUDDER IS HUGE, YAYAYAYAY!!! I like huge rudder!!!

First thoughts. Great looking airplane. Nicely finished, pretty colors, smooth and definately of the highest quality I have seen in a product from China. Excellent paint on the cowl. Overall, a superb, even tremendous value.

After a quick once over and putting it back into the box I have only a couple of concerns. The nicely crafted servo boxes in the wings don't look quite wide enough to accomodate the Futaba servos in their standard case size. I really do not want to go chopping into them. Thoughts anyone? I did not actually try fitting a servo, they just looked narrow. Secondly, the interplane struts are not RTF. The cutouts where not in place. Mistake or is that the norm? No biggy, an hours work to align, drill and cut. F2 needs a spot of epoxy on one side of one of the airplanes. That's a one minute job. Lastly, the spring latch for the canopy does not have a very positive springy latchy feel to it. I'll have to fiddle with that a bit to ensure is stays well put.

Now all I need is time, a bench (no room for a while), an exhaust system and I'll get it together.

Lastly, does anyone know the matching color for the red. Chip calls the covering Chinacote so I figure I'll have to find a close match in Oracover. Is Ferrari red the closest? I want to open the covering by the tail to move the anti-rotation pin support and have the professional result as shown in an earlier posting for lowering the incidence of the stab.

Regards,
Mark

Mark,
Looks are deceiving but the stock servos will fit. The instructions show a prototype strut. Just put the struts next to the lugs that are screwed into the wings, mark them and then drill them. We did it at field at Joe Nall, it took 5 minutes, I forgot my struts at home and had to rob a set out of my new kit. I also tap the lugs to 6-32 so that I don't need to install nuts on the screws, makes putting it together a little easier and quicker. Also it is not nec to cut the covering to lower the anti-rotation pin. Just file the slot down, take a piece of 1/4 plywood or bass wood, drill a 5/32 hole in it, then sand it to fit the open area above the pin. The pin is 5/32 and that is why you drill the wood to fit the contour of the pin. You then apply ca to the wood and install it above the pin. I did this on the 3 double visions I have put together so far. It is takes about 10-15 minutes and is a permanent solution that doesn't require cutting the covering. Concering the hatch latch, It is a tight fit going in to the hatch. just pull it forward into the hatch and it will stay put. after quite a few flights it will loosen and seat itself. I ended up using thin ca to harden the wood where the pin goes into the hatch.

Mark Trent

Good stuff. Thanks Mark. OK, a couple more questions. I have read where some folks have mounted the motor forward of Chip's recommendation. He prefers to keep the motor further back. What are the solutions for accessing the mixture screws? I plan on mounting per Chip's advice and just opening one hole in line with the carburator mixture screw slightly behind the firewall. I prefer a simple an elegant solution.

Just for chat sake...I shall give my friend his DV next week at the second Inter-A class contest. I look forward to hearing the comments of the other pilots. It rreally is a nicely built machine.

Mark

Mark,
Make the standoffs 1 5/16". this will line the needles up with the firewall. Then you drill a hole through the side of the firewall to access the screws. You can see the screws through the air hole in the cowl. By drilling through the sidewall It makes a nice guide for the scredriver and prevents it from coming off while the adjustment is being made.

Mark

Here's a tool modification that makes adjusting the DA-50 carb needles a lot easier.

This is not much of an ARF. Its really more of a partially completed kit. The manual sucks, it says to set the throw according to the chart and the chart is blank. It says to use 1' arms on the ailerons but anything longer tha 1/2 inch puts a serious side load on the High Dollar control horns. The control rod ends for the High Dollar horns all have to drilled to 4-40 tap size so the control rods can be threaded in. Going by the recomended parts list I bought 4 - 2 1/2 inch titanium rods only to find out that the correct length is 1 7/8. The purple strips are all falling off.

Joe

JBrannon-

Good luck getting help! Oh yeah, better luck getting it close to the advertised weight of 13.5 lbs with a 50cc engine - or is that what it's supposed to be without engine.............TBD