I had to re grind the cowl a touch to fit motor, the alingment on motor in front is fine, so minute you cant tell. It hovers way better.

I re epoxied my rudder and vertical back on, so hopefully this is permanent. I will try not to let the new guy at field hold her anymore, haha. I thought of selling this plane, but have come to like it alot and think I am just going to hammer on it this summer. I got my eyes off that EF yak that doesnt exist and am not thinking bigger after talking to Chip. He mentioned a 75 cc Yak is coming and a bigger DV. So, I think I will hold off and see what comes down the pike.

tom did you buy the carbon gear for the Vision from Troy built?

Gotcha. I may have to look into that. I think a degree or two of right thrust would help mine too. Glad you got your tail fixed, keep them guys with the big clown shoes away from her now! [8D]

Yep, got my CF gear from Troybuilt. VERY nice gear.

Tom

thanks Tom, just wondered. I may purchase gear and wing tubes for the DV from TBM this winter, for now just build it as is. Yeah, rudder is on, prolly fly it later this week. Still baffles me on my snap rolls, why they are so slow, must be where my balance is, but your guys' balance is not far off mine, I am at 4.25 on the wing tip back. Got me, but it snap rolls about as fast as a trainer. I like fast snaps. I got full throw on everything to

Can it be your control throws? Mine snap rolls as fast or faster than any plane I've ever seen before. Are you using high rates... how high? I've got mine max'd out bevel to bevel or as close as it will go. Low rate snaps are slow but don't blink when I do a high rate snap or you'll miss it. That is probably my favorite thing about this plane. When I get a chance to get shoot some video, I'll show ya.

I know that I can produce 4 different "looks" to my snaps based on what combination of rates I use...

All low produces a slow lethargic but graceful snap.

High Elevator only gives me a fairly quick snap, but more tumbling than axial.

High Elevator and Rudder gives me a pretty quick snap but more "angular" vs tumbling.

High Aileron and Rudder gives me lightning fast snaps, somewhat more axial since the elevator is low rate... but still a snap roll, not axial roll.

They are all snaps with full stick on every surface, but I get different "personalities" of snap with the different combinations of rates. The one with bevel to bevel aileron and rudder is the fastest, as long as I DON'T throw high rate elevator in... THAT WILL SLOW IT WAY DOWN.

Tom

Mine is going to the bevels as well. maybe its my elevator tripping it up. But even my roll rate is not that fast. Like a DV or the Yak, those roll very fast, not this Vision. I have 8611 on all surfaces, 1.25 arms and set up about 1 inch on surfaces with Nelson hardware, I would not think its getting over powered. Maybe I should try to lengthen the control horn and max my servo throw out to 140 on my radio, this I have not done? But it does not roll faster at slow speeds, so I just figured that it was not being overpowered. I had this hardware in a Katana last summer and that thing snapped wicked fast. So.... I will have to play with this. Faster snaps sure would be nice.

My roll rate is fast, but I've seen faster. It's the snaps that I think are so great. But, I guess that's all relative. What is fast to me may not seem fast to you. Sometimes it's a matter of opinion, perspective, experience... whatever you want to call it. I just know that I personally am very happy with the speed of the snaps on my Vision.

Actually, so far, with only 3 flights on my Yak, I think my Vision snaps much better. They both are still newborns though, and I've got a lot of experimenting and tweaking ahead of me before I really know what either is capable of.

Tom

yeah, I custom fun fly planes, they have about 3-4 rolls a second. its all timing. I dont expect the vision to do this, but I am used to very fast roll rates. But like I said, my Kat last summer snapped fast, meaning, like most any vid you have seen of a gas plane doing a fast snap, fast and tolerable. My Vision is literally like a tired ol pig, just kinda does it, but not fast at all. My buddies Yak, nice fast clean snaps. I just have not any time to mess with this plane lately.

That really has me baffled... something just doesn't sound right? I wish I could get some video for ya... but, Being in PA, you are probably having the same problem as me here in Ohio... lousy freakin weather. I just can't get out and put any time on mine. Plus, I have to share my fly time between my Vision and Yak now.

By the time I get home from work, I've only got a couple hours of daylight left. Between the few hours available, 15+mph winds and rain all the time... very difficult to find fly time anymore. [] Oh well, just be glad I get to fly at all I guess.

Hopefully, the weather will get a little better soon. Thery're forecasting storms all weekend again this week. [:'(]

Tom

I know the feeling, the past two summers were a wash. So far tho, its been sweet. we get a T storm in afternoon, but usually blows apart or hits us then moves on for a nice evening. Weather has been great, thats whats killing me, but, I have brand new baby that takes up my time, so cant complain, just part of life. I hope to fly tomorrow or the weekend for sure at some point.

Its hard to do everything you want, I know the feeling, just a few hours after work, with so much to do, its hard. I try to pick one to two days a week I really shoot for flying, sometimes it works, sometimes the weather goes bad. As long as we do not have a summer like the past 2 I will be happy, they were horrid.

I here ya! I just started 3 summers ago. AWESOME summer... flew about 3 or 4 days a week. Tons of great weather, and I worked a job that got me home by 4pm every day.

But, the last two summers have sucked. Flew more in one month my first year than I did all summer the last two years. Crappy weather, working two jobs, the house, etc. Now I have a job that keeps me till about 6pm. Half hour drive home, eat, load planes, half hour drive to the field... lucky to get an hour in beore dark... IF it's not raining or wind blowing. Weekends are raining and/or too windy 90% of the time.

Maybe I should take up RC cars/trucks? Weather doesn't matter and I don't have to load tons of gear and drive across town to use 'em?

Tom

yeah, makes me want to play the lotto.

I run 1/8 scale buggies, we just got done building a track at the flying field, let me tell ya, its a hoot. Like you said, when its windy or rained, can still run.

I run buggies, too. I may have the same amount of cash in my buggy as I do in my Vison, sad. Mugen MBX 5 with all the Fiorni hop ups, K3 shocks, JP Mod P5, Jammin pipe and a bunch of parts and tires.

Last season, I would bring my foamy to the track and fly in between the heat races. I got 15 or so of the hard core racers into planes and several of them have dropped cars all together. All the car guys transitioned to airplanes instantly. None of them ever owned a trainer. Most went to sticks and most are flying 3D planes this year.

I'd love to get into the monster trucks... I'm a 4x4 lover. I just can't afford to start another money pit hobby and start another learning curve all over again. Looks like a lot of fun though, and sure would help to get me through all this crappy weather. [:'(]

Tom

I'm just about finished assembling a Vison in the new color scheme for a buddy of mine. The new scheme looks MUCH better in person that in the pics on Chip's site. As for hardware, we are going with JR 8611/A's all around, lipos on both the ignition and RX, DA 50 with one of Chip's new quiet pipe systems, and one of Chip's new 22x8 Brazilian wood props. I have a DV and love it---My buddy wanted a plane that has the looks of the DV fuselage, but not a biplane, and a little more tame flight characteristics as compared to the DV..We'll see how it goes early next week.

Kevin

Ynot, cool car man. not to get off subject here. Cars a hoot, easy, and take a beatin. I run 2 Hyper 7's. Tom I think this would give ya something to do in our less than perfect fall and spring months when flying is so iffy.

Kevin,
Sounds great on the Vision, setup just like mine cept for the pipe, I just run stocker. 8611 are sweet. Post some pics and let us know what you think compared to DV.

The Vision flies VERY much like the DV... except the DV is a tad better in my opinion. Like most planes, the key is your CG. Where you balance it will change it's personality dramatically. Balance it forward and it will be more docile than the DV. Balance it rearward and you'll have a near "wild child" on your hands that will do anything but keep you on your toes!


Yeah you're probably right... however, bad weather is my only excuse for getting any "real" work done around the house It's also when I get my building done.

been thare doon that snaps use more amps out of the batery than any thing if you don't have week servos even if you have strong baterys is the alerons geting the amps it needs I held my 38% 3 servo wing whith a amp meter on the servo lead it read 6 amps at stall ! split the power up have large wire use y on power leads.when I did this to a plane it was a difront plane all the way and 6volt is grat but it needs more amps to do the same thing faster.

whell thats my tow cens whorth

Yes that's true, but these aren't 38% planes with 3 servos per wing. We aren't drawing anywhere near that amount of amp load on the Visions. I'm using 4800mah LiOn packs and split/double wires going through the regulator to the receiver. I can supply MORE than enough amps for the servos in the Vision.

Tom

Canonball, ????? is that some kind of cript code english you jotting down there bro? wow, got me all confused, thought I was watching MTV for a sec.
thanks for your input. I think I am getting enuf juice to my servos, I had same batteries and servos in a plane previously, and they made that plane snap very fast.

I see some of you are adding right thrust....On the plane I'm building, with the engine mounted even with the firewall, I noticed some right thrust built into the firewall but the spinner doesn't exhibit the same amount of right thrust as the cowl. When I shim the engine to match the cowl---Holy cow!!!!! It appears to be waaaaaay too much right thrust. I'll fly the plane to make up my mind about what is right vs what looks right concerning the right thrust. Guys...How does your engine line up with your cowl without adding any shims????

Concerning the CG---I found that with my DV the CG was a tad too far back for my liking when placed on the hatch line. The tail would even sink when coming in for a landing. I talked to Chip about it and he recomended mixing in a little down elevator with low throttle. I did this and really didn't care for the way the plane felt. When landing the Vision, have any of you noticed the tail dropping with the CG at the recommended point????

Kevin

Just like yours. Cowl looks like it wants way more right thrust... plane flies like it needs more, but not as much as the cowl shows. I have to pull my cowl over to line it up and the angle molded into the front of the cowl is very extreme.

No, quite the opposite. Balance at suggested point, mine felt quite noseheavy. I moved mine way back... about an inch. Still no taildrop.

Tom

Thanks Tom!!! Looks like Wednesday is going to be the day to maiden the Vision....Working evenings does have some advantages---Flying all day before going to work!!![8D]

Kevin

No tail drop on mine. I added right thrust, I like it better. Pic from past weekend.

Another, drive by harrier...

Good luck on your maiden Kevin! She's a *****cat

Nice pics Fastliff... you'ver got her right down on the deck now! [8D] What prop are you swinging?

Tom