Running a 22x8 CHP prop. I like it the best, second up 22x8 NX, then a menz.

Yeah, after the rudders been kicked off, and basically I have wrenched on her enuf to know what I am into, I am just beating on it now, til she is gone. Hopefully she is around awhile, cause I am starting to like her more every flight, but figured I would use her to the utmost to help learn me some kool tricks.
She is limited on things that can be completed in flight, rudder is way weaker than I would like. Thats prolly the biggest downfall of this plane.

I agree on the rudder, but glad you're getting some fun out of her. How much fuel/flights through your DA? Still breaking in?

I'm running an MSC 22*8 on both my DA's while breaking in, then I'll try an NX 23*8. The CHP prop sounds promising too.

Tom

I am working on my 7th gallon. Running real good. smoothed right out after the 2 gallons of dino oil premix. I am using Amsoil 50-1 Dominator now, I have had great luck with it. I feel a bit better than the 100-1. I know both work, I just prefer to run a bit more oil.

I like the CHP 22x8 prop too....Much more punch than the Mejlik 22x10 I had installed on my DV.

Fastlif....In the first hovering pic it looks as if both ailerons are drooped like flaps---Is this so??? If so, then describe your setup.

The maiden on the Vision is set for tomorrow AM---After getting off work at 11:00 PM, it looks like another 2:00 AM session to wrap things up on my buddy's Vision. I hope that I'm awake enough to enjoy the maiden...[sm=thumbup.gif] I'd better be...I'm doing the maiden.................

Kevin

Kevin,
you are right, I have flaperon mixed on my one flight mode. Its nothing fancy, ailerons come down like flaps when given up elevator, and vice versa for down elevator. travel is about half of overall aileron travel in either direction. I need to play with programming on my other flight modes, I have two without flaperons, but they have lower traveling elevator. I started out with these on the plane when I first started flying it, and its not enuf throw now, so I always fly on the one that has more throw, which is the one with flaperons. Simple fix, just I always forget to program stuff at the field, and at home. You would think I would be able to remember this, but most nights I am happy just to get the time to go fly. It tightens up loops, and walls, anything that needs sharp corners. You can use spoilerons, this is prolly better for harriers, but I hate throwing switches during flight, and I fly other planes with flaperon all the time with no ill effects. Basically what I am trying to say, flaperon works better overall for flying and banging around than spoileron. If you dont mind throwing switches, spoils will work better for ya on harriers, but its not so happy with other stuff, or, compared to flaperons. I found in the early flights with this Vision that it flap spun better with flaperons than without. I dunno if it will work for everyone or it was just my plane, but it did make it better, its still no upright flat spin devil. Blenders are very good tho.

when you get banging on it, try it out, you may like it.

I'm trying to decide between the Kangke Laser and the Vision. I had a couple of question for you guys that have been flying your vision for a while now.

1) does the covering hold up or start to peel at all the seams?

2) did you use the stock CA hinges or something else?

3) the wing retaining method seems unusual, how is it working out?



Thanks
George

Covering holds real well, just seal it with nail polish. have not touched mine with iron or heat gun. and its strong stuff. I used stock hinges that came with it. I am using B&B hd ones on my DV, but so far, so good on these stockers. wing holder, great, takes the hassle out of putting it together. I find it great so far.

Maidened the Vision today!!!! All it took was two clicks of up trim---THAT'S IT!!! Flies hands off inverted. Pulls to the canopy very hard in knife edge even though I had already mixed in some down elevator. I don't know why some have complained about the roll rate as it was pretty good---Not quite as fast as my DV but no slouch either.

Let me tell you guys about Chip's new quiet pipe---GET ONE!!! With one of Chip's 22x8 props, the tach bounced from a max of 7700 to 7800 RPM with brand spankin' new fresh out of the box DA-50. I backed the high needle down to 7600 RPM for the maiden. WOW!!!!! The pipe is so quiet that you can hear the prop making a whishing sound at idle kinda like you hear on a full scale.

It is my buddys plane so I let him fly it on the second flight. He thought I gassed it up--I thought that he did....Well, my bud was doin' some of that pilot stuff getting used to his new bird when the engine abruptly quit. My bud did the best that he could given the situation, (low, slow, and upwind) setting her down on the bank of a creek in a briar patch that I swear opened up and swllowed the plane whole!!! I mean, it really disappeared!!! With me being the sole guy with long pants on I was drafted to retrieve the Vision from the snake, tick, chigger, poison ivy infested (Did I mention the BRIARS!?!?!?!?) tomb. The plane was hardly scathed!!!

Something you guys my want to include as an airframe directive---The open area in the fuselage which the canopy encloses, in my opinion, is a little weak. You can squeeze the plane in this area and distort the fuselage. I saw a pic a while back concerning a Vision that developed excessive dihedral after executing a wall. If you sqeeze the fuselage you can see the bridged area buckle as the wood there is very thin. I took a scrap piece of triangular hardwood that weighed next to nothing and glued it to the bottom of the "bridged" area. This GREATLY strengthened the fuselage to keep it from flexing.


Kevin

Good tip, thanks for it. Glad the flight went well, and you did not get any snakes to come out and play. Sounds interesting on the CHP pipe, I have stock pipes and have no problems with power, but maybe over the winter I will invest in one.
only reason I gripe on my roll rate is because it is slow, for me, I fly other smaller planes in competition that roll at 3-4 rolls a second, so, after being used to that, this plane feels like it rolls like a trainer. Just the way it goes for me and this particular plane.

Hope I didn't offend you about the roll rate comment as it was not my intent!!!---We all have different needs when it comes to flying. I like a fast roll rate too....I also fly jets and you get a lot of oooohhh's and aaaaahhhhh's when you point the jet straight up at full throttle and then peg the aileron stick to the stop. I shoot for as fast a roll rate as possible. What also looks real cool is to get going straight up and do max rolls to the left or right then reverse direction----Roll roll roll roll---BANG---then same thing goin' the other way. This also looks good when flying horizontal...[8D] The Vision, like the jet, would look great doing this too.....Especially with the extra power from the CHP pipe!!![sm=thumbup.gif]

About the plane pulling hard in knife edge toward the canopy---Looks like a goof that I made caused the problem.[sm=bananahead.gif] I set up the Vision by copying the basic program parameters from my Double Vision.....Seemed logical as the planes are virtually the same except for the wings. Of course I made modifications to the Vision program as necessary. Where I got into trouble was due to different brands of servos were used on each plane. The elevator servos on the Vision needed to be reversed as compared the the DV. I forgot to reverse the rudder to elevator mixing when I reversed the elevator servos on the Vision. The result was an extreme pull to the canopy when adding top rudder for knife edge. Problem is now fixed and we'll see how it flies on our next outing.

Kevin

Glad you found the culprit, I was really surprised by your description since mine actually pulls to the belly vs the canopy! [&:]

Tom

Been out with the Vision last couple of days. Have increased the right thrust and put in some up thrust so torque rolls are much, much easier now. Also tracks much better going vertical as well

Angus

Just a note to you guys, I was flying in Canada this weekend with the Vision, the one wings aileron servo mounting box broke free in the wing. No harm done, I noticed when I landed that the servo was not moving the aileron very much. the servo mounts in this little box, then thats glued to the wing panels, the whole thing broke free. It will be an easy fix, just a bummer it ended my night of flying. yet again I think this baby is a Ford underneath its skin. Man alive she likes to break. Had fun with the plane and the crowd liked the flights I did put up with it. Just thought I would let you guys know, maybe you would want to hit yours with some thin CA to help keep the mounts in place.

Hmmm. I think mine is a Ford too, cause it hasn't broke once... runs like a champ.

Tom

haha. yeah, no offense to said Ford owners out there.

Mines a Toyota. Dependable and reliable. My Synergy is a Ferrari and the old Capiche is a British Leyland Maxi!!

Tried flapperons the other day. Did help with the hovering etc but flat spins were no where near as good so took them out. Going to put in a touch more right thrust and up thrust when I get a chance. Will post a pic of the spinner relative to the cowl for you all to laugh at (looks like it's been in a fight with Lennox Lewis!!)

Angus

In some of my ealier post I stated I was dissipointed in the rudder. After the prop change to the CHP, it seems to knife edge better and much slower then with the Prince. Never thought the prop could make a diff in KE, however I guess it does. It does a great slow high alpha KE now.

Ynot, I agree, I did not want to say anything cause I thought I was just thinking it became a better KE er. weird.

Different props are designed for sifferent purposes... and RPM's aren't the only deciding factor to performance.

Propwash is very important as is how quickly you can "get on it" to start.

Sounds like the CHP is optimized for lower end torque and propwash, whereas the Prince may be more tuned to higher RPM's...

I have found on my Yak that the 23x8 NX at 400+ less rpms than the MSC 22x8 was by far a better prop for my style of flying.

Wheww............the tread fell back to the 4th page, thought I lost it.

Anyone have a spare left wheel pant? Mine decided to eject in some very high grass. The lawn tractor should find it.

Bought a turn key Vision from Chip. I think I like the Vision better than my D-V. CHP did an awsume job!! Chip test flew the plane and then sent me all of the controll settings for my radio. pretty much a no brainer. Took me about a half an hour to assemble and off to the field I went. Flew great, no trim adjustments. Check out the CHP helmet head in the photo.

Does anyone have experience with both the Vision and Wildhare Edge? How does the Vision compare?? My first gasser will be either a Vision, Wildhare Edge or Kangke Laser. I just can't decide []

I have owned four W/H 300's & one W/H 540. I'd never bash Tom or Patty at Wild Hare, great people with out standing customer service ( This is just an opinion) I liked all of the 300's. Dislike the 540 the most. Sold three of them, crashed two. I have two Visions and three weeks ago crashed my Double Vision. (Tx problems) The Vision is the best out of all this planes I am talking about.The Vision flies like a pattern plane .My W/H 540 would snap on a slow landing or a heavy cross wind. Add about 3% of spoiler to the 540 and it seemed to help. I think that you will be happy with either plane that you are looking at. I think the Vision is the better of the two. Good luck with your choice.

Greg

Roadster, i have been flying the WH 540 and never had a snaping problem on my landing's and in heavy crosswinds although i try not to fly in a heavy cross wind. your the 3rd one i seen post this about the 540. i dont know maybe i got lucky on mine and maybe i should keep it.

thanks Roadster

Seems like people who have flown both like the Vision a little better then the WH offerings, especially in high alpha.