Doug.
I am sure Horizion would send you whats missing , give them a call.

go vertical
Good idea. Only problem is that I bought it off an idividual and he used them on another plane.Rats!
Horizion Hobbies sells them as part of a wing assembly.

Doug

the dimentions are
lenth 28
with at root 5 1/4
with at tip 2 1/4
as for thickness use the trailing egde at root were ALI.meets wing
at the tip it is 1/2 in thick

My showtime is ready for maiden. I have the CG right at recommended, dry. (will be nose-heavy with fuel).

Is there anything to watch-out for on the first flight? Is it a fast lander or a floater? AND how much expo on low rates? I have heard others say that it's a VERY responsive plane.

I am running 6V Fromeco 24 and a reg with 8611a on rudder and HT analogs everywhere else. Engine is a Saito 1.25 with a 16 X 4W APC.

OH...and do you guys recommend the SFG's on maiden?

Thanks...

Hi guys!

I would like to begin this post with a review of the Modern Language Associations latest adoptions for grammar revisions -- No, just kidding. The thread has been kind of quiet lately and I thought I would just share with you guys how much I'm enjoying this plane still. I have my CG just spot on the recommended or a hare forward. My YS110 is still pretty finicky, but I'm learning how to adjust it pretty well and it really is pretty strong in this plane. I'm not at all very good at 3-D stuff -- I got the showtime to learn that with, but I can do a very pretty harrier with this plane. With the SFG's on, there is no wing rocking -- without them, the wings rock just a little bit. I am hovering the thing better, but still only about 10 seconds or so long, but it makes me smile when I do it. I really like how this plane handles. I have a special "low rate for babies" setting on mine with about 50% expo now and my low rates are maybe around half of the factory spec low rates, but I am increasing the low rate throws every flite by a bit. I should just go ahead and set them at the full factory spec low rates -- this plane is not difficult to fly at all on the low rates. I am even flying it on the high rates and just being gentle with the sticks.

The plane for me seems to land differently according to the CG you have set. With forward or backward CG the plane is a slow lander and it doesnt float too long (unless I have the idle too high on the YS ) ). WIth the rearward CG, the tail will drop as the speed slows, kind of like it wants to go into a hover. Both ways, the plane lands well. The only problem I have with the landing so far is that the bottom of my SFG's are becoming pretty scuffed This is a great plane -- don't be afraid of the amount of the control surfaces -- Iwas but the plane really isnt "crazy" with the high rates like you might think -- its still very responsive, but not like a 40 sized plane with the throws too high -- that's a nightmare. The Showtime just does what you want it to much faster.

The only other thing I would say about it now is that I took a lot of time with my elevators and finally (after re-hinging them 3 times) got the linkages adjusted properly and the servo travel set right and the servo speed set right so that they match perfectly. The plane's flight performance improved much more than I thought it would -- it's worth the effort to take a few hours to get them perfect.

Sorry -- one more for Ag Expert:

I did not maiden the Showtime with the SFG's on. I believe that most people dont on their maiden flights. The plane flies much better in my opinion with the SFG's on. The rudder response is hard to imagine with them on. They tend to stablilize the plane -- like when the plane is rolling, it seems to me that it is more axial with the SFGs on. However, for me (and I'm not that good yet), I do not like to land the SHowtime with the SFG's on if there is wind. It could be that I am more nervous about scuffing them (too late), but it seems to really blow around a bit especially when the plane is on final and is just a few feet above the ground. Without the SFG's on a windy day the showtime does ok. WIth them, it blows around more.

agexpert
there should be no suprises, the plane is real honest if set up right. I would sugest you start at low rate settings. If it is a little on the windy side,I would leve the SFG off. landing is slightly faster than the funtana, wich is pretty darn slow. good luck.

Very cool Thanks for the help.

It's been almost a year since I soloed and I can hardly believe two things: 1) How far I have come; and 2) HOW FAR I HAVE TO GO. I have flown some kind of airplane about 6 days a week for almost 11 months. The Showtime will be only the 3rd or 4th plane I have maidened on my own, (not including 10 or so foamies).

One thing I have noticed about 3D. It's so much fun that it takes HOURS away from IMAC practice, (I'll be in basic forever). Another thing I noticed is that, like most skill-based activities, this is a mental sport.

Maidening the Showtime will be much easier on my nerves thanks to the help from this forum, (I think I have almost $900 in that plane). This being a very cerebral activity, confidence is important..and having a place to ask dumb questions is an enhancement to my level of confidence.

Thanks Again!!

I have flown mine with a YS 120, saito 100, Evo 26 gasser, and now I have a OS 120 AX. Who else is flying this engine and how do you like it. I imagine verticle is awesome. This is mainly just for Pattern practice, I have profiles for 3 D.

Wow well after i maiden ed my bird the other day, with also the unfortunate happening. I cant even think of giving the rudder more authority. That was one of the reasons for the mishaps on the landing. I believe i gave it 35 deg on low rates vs the 50 deg on highrates, and that was more than enough let alone not having the SVG's on. Then again i only just flew around the circuit a couple times without doing any real maneuvers.
I recieved my new elevator from the LHS, which i might add where i work, which after recieving 40% off the orginal 45 dollar item. Yeah not bad. However im still waiting for my rudder servo to come back from hitec due to repairs. Now after i see that the price of the 5645's is dropped considerably when i orginally purchaced it, i should of just bought a new one. DOH!!

Rtolle, thanks for the advice. I´m also using the AUX1 on my 6102 for the second aileron servo, and the only remaining free channel is the GEAR, but can´t find a way to mix it with the elevator channel as it seems to have a limited travel for gear, and also I can´t inhibit the gear switch. Any Idea?

Thanks.

You can mix the elevator to the gear channel. Use mix 4. Then set your travels in the mix so they move equal distances. In the mix it asks you for a switch. Scroll thru untill it says always on. Now go into the setup mode that allows you to change models. As you scroll thru the options there is a list of switches that appears. Select the gear switch and you should be able to inhibit it. I believe this is what I did on my Funtana but I'll have to verify that later tonight.

Rtolle, I´ve got it!! Thanks a lot for the info.

Rei

No problem.

Guys, I'm helping a friend put a Showtime together at the moment. He's planning on running the Supertigre .91 2 stroke. No fancy flying just some basics. Have any of you run this combo and if so what did you think? Thanks

I assume he's using the ST G90? If so, he'll have a good time. It should have plenty of power for basic 3D, should be able to hover just fine. Those .90's are actually really good engines as long as they get broken in properly. I've found them to be just as powerful as some of the more expensive brands and if tuned correctly just as reliable. They also use about the same footprint as a .60 and weigh about as much as a .60 as well. The only time I ever had problems with my G90 was when I tried using a Pitts style muffler. I think it was because the muffler had two exhaust tubes and did not create enough tank pressure. If you run into that problem, try pinching off one of the tubes to create more back pressure.

-Pat

Hi People.. Had a good morning until...

I had been flying the S.T.... All was going great, on the 4th flight I was doing some hi
speed blenders, mad it was crazy, got a lot of ooohs and ahhhs... on the last on i came
out into a K.E. I then started doing touch and goes(2) from my end of the runway then
one from the other end, all was going just great as she was coming towards me I thought
I'd try (a first for me on the S.T.) a low hover after lift off, so I let her roll on the runway
to me, but it started drifting towards the fence, a I added some rud. nada.. added more
nothing, I should have figured it out then and cut the throttle, But No... I look at my radio
to make sure I'm moving the rudder[:@].. Yep. stick is moving, but nothing, but the fence
is right there now.. I hit the kill, but too late, into the fence she goes[:@]
To my surprize not much damage... A broken mount, cowls a bit torked and scratched, but
can be reused.. So far thats all I can see wrong, I thought for sure the firewall was history,
but it looks good... I did get fuel in the belly[:@] as it crack the tubing at the fuel nipple and
the old YS pressure pushed some fuel out, but it got cleaned out pretty quick. At home I
used some foaming carpet cleaner then wiped clean and letting it dry out.. Hope that works..

Guess the engine mount is just the standard hangar9 90 sized mount??

Ohh... A backed out srevo arm screw started all of this, I checked all before the first flt. and
all was good and tight... Guess I'll use "more" loctite next time, this is the second time that
screw backed off just far enough to let the arm slip off the gear.. I put just a small drop after
that... I'm coating all of it now.....

locktite on all linkages is a must. I also learned the hard way after my maiden when i relized that i lost the servo arm screw on my MG servos and a few of my screws has backed out on the linkage itself.

I hear you on the loctite.. I use it on almost all, but had a small problem with it on the
servo arm, I do check all at the start of the day, and since this was the second time that
the same screw backed off, I did use a "little" loctite... I'm coating now!! But the thing the
gets me is I said that I would check all the screws every third flt.... This was my fourth[:@]
And the other big thing... If I would have just killed the engine instead of keep trying the
rudder, and after twice moving the stick, looking down at my radio to make sure
Ahhhh The brain plays funny things at times.... Damage is super light, I may fix the cowl,
but at $13 I think I'll just get another......

Might it be your elevator halves? Are you mixing elevators or using a Y with a reverser? From your pic, it appears your left elevator half is slightly more "up" than the right. Maybe just the way it looks. But I would still trim some more down in the left elevator and fly and retrim on the radio for level flight. Then see if that doesn't allow you to retrim the ailerons.

raideron
Lady luck was with you me thinks. Which YS are you running on Showtime? I'm thinking Ys 110 or Saito 125 for mine. All I have to do is make a couple airlerons and one SFG. Probably not ready for something this acrobatic after flying UCDs and trainers. Loctite on servo screws? Does it really help? What make servo had the problem?

Doug

Loctite is a good idea on metal gear servos, for sure, but I've never tried it or found it necessary on nylon or Karbonite gears.

Dougwill, either of those engine choices are going to be great in this plane! And, I think if you can handle the UCD's, this will be no problem on the lower rates. Just keep it up high for the first few flights while you get used to it. You'll find it's a very honest airplane and handles much like a pattern aircraft on lower rates. Then, after you've put in some time on it, try increasing the throws to your liking.

Hey Doug.. Get her up.. I like my S.T. So far after tons of flts.. no bad habits has
show itself.. Built stock, just stretched my tail wheel springs to where the rudder moves
about 1/4 either side of center before the wheel moves.. And I epoxied the stab on...
I'm running the YS110... It's great for me.. I have HS5945's on all but the throttle and
the rudder arn screw is the only ine that has backed of twice now. Loctite works, but I
hate using it on the servos, I do everywhere else, last time the rudder screw back out
just far enough for the arm to slip off the gear I used a "small" drop, but I'm coating now.
If I would have done like I said and checked before every third flt. I think all would have
been ok...
Yeah I lucked out, tho it would have been better if I would have just killed the engine
after the second rudder try[:@].. Ohh well... Parts should be here soon, I did find the
L.G. block cracked a bit the gear looked good, but thats fixed and just waiting for the
mount and new cowl and she will be ready again...

Maidened my ST today.

Best flying glow plane to date. Does anyone else have problems with inverted harriers? I'm running a Saito 1.25 and CG is just aft of recommended.


I REALLY LIKE THIS PLANE! Anyone wanna buy a Mayhem?

Been flying my Showtime now for about a month, last weekend there was absolutely no wind and I have a hard time getting it to fly straight and level hands off. The trims are so touchy that it can be flying hands off at about a 10 degree climb, one click off down trim and it now flies 10 degree dive. I have a hard time finding a happy medium, the ailerons are not as bad but still very touchy. On the ground when you watch them, they barely move with one click but it sure makes a difference in the air. Also checked the elevator and it seems to be moving the same and equal at neutral.
Using the Saito 100 and I'm happy with the performance, nothing to write home about but still fun.
Jack

Jack, sounds REALLY tail heavy to me. Did you measure the CG at the wing root next to the fuselage? The instructions tell you to measure it from the wing tip, and that's WRONG. They still havne't corrected that as far as I know.

Try moving that CG forward and see what happens.

-Pat