Gday aussiepilot my name is terry i got the 50buck cap 232 minicraft one out the field that day and the redbull one is my brothers.ive just finsh a peter goldsmith cap232g with mvvs58 for power up front mate what a plane if anyone wonts a great cap232 id give the peter goldsmith plane a 10 out 10

kwboost,

I was just re-reading you post with all the stats in it and noticed one other place you could save roughly 4 ounces if you wanted to spend the extra money.

A PT model 18X6 Cf prop is roughly 4 ounces lighter with the exact same shape and thrust numbers as the Mezjlik and since it's lighter, the spool up will be even better

The other thing was having to add a bunch of down to land. My guess is when you cut throttle from about half throttle the nose starts to point up.

This could be an indication of too much down thrust. Typically when a plane does this on landing, down thrust is a bit too much. I noticed it in mine. Going straight up it would slowly start pulling to the gear, coming out of a hover it pulled to the gear. I added 1 full degree of upthrust and a full degree of right thrust and all that went away.

I've seen a few people on here and in other places having to add some up thrust.

You could also be just slightly tail heavy which on this plane is no real big deal.

The other thing is you could add spoilerons (ailerons come up to help dump some lift) to come in around 2 clicks above idle. Lou55 suggested this and I tried it and it works. I think I use about 30% spoilerons. It was just enough for me to still have excellent control but the float went away. I set it on a switch because there are times I want to float it in, like when I forget to set my timer and I'm having way too much fun and forget to watch my fuel and have to deadstick. This plane is easy to do that with, it's just so much fun

Bubbagates,
Thanx for your suggestions. I did look into the pt props. And they are much lighter. I propably will have a hard time getting it to balance though as the plane is already a bit tail heavy. I moved everything as far foward as possible, it is just so light in the nose. I propably could move the receiver up a bit but I don't know if it would make a difference. I want to keep the battery where it is so it is easily removed for charging (lipoly).
I did try using up thrust in my funtana 90 (it had the same problems) and it helped a lot. Next time I fly it I will see if it pitches to the belly during pull out from a hover. If so I will add some up thrust, If it doesn't I will go the spoileron route.
It did pitch hard to the belly during knife edge got it mixed out with about 23deg each way. Do you think this could be an indication of to much down thrust or just tailheavy?
I noticed with my fathers kankge 120 Cap that as we moved the cg back, it pitched harder to the belly. Went from 2-3deg to 20deg of mix.

Sorry please excuse me in the last post. When I said 23 deg of mix on the elevator I ment percent of radio mix. Hope this makes sense.

Nah, I got what you meant

Yep, too much downthrust will cause pulling to the belly in a stalled condition such as KE, hovering, etc...Also you may have a bot of up trim in the elevator to compensate

I had the same Kangke Cap and did not notice what your father is seeing, that's a weird change

The prop change was jsut an after thought. I did not think about the current setup and what it probably took to get it to balance

Yeah the kangke cap was a little on the heavy side. Powered with a saito 220. It is a great combo. Auw 13lb 14 oz. In an attempt to set it up for better 3d, I borrowed it for a week to put it on a diet. Got it down to 12lb 9oz. In the process moved the cg back a bit. Plane flew much nicer with the weight reduction but we had to put in more k-edge mix. My father flew it and for him he is a bit uncomfortable with the rearward cg so we moved it back foward. Needed less mix. I'm no expert at aerodynamics, but I guess this is a bit weird. I just assumed it was one of those crazy tendacies of caps people talk about.

I've got the BCMA 40cc in mine and it's great! Same engine, different distributor. BCMA is coming out with a Sport 42cc for $295.00!! Now that's a deal worth waiting a week or two for. Especially if you want to break into gas cheap!! They come with the EI, muffler, and stand-offs and great service from Adam. You should definately check it out at
http://www.bcmaengines.com/

Hey Bubba, you have any first hand experience with the 30% BME Edge or Extra? I'm thinking about building one of the two. From what I can see the hardware and extras are great. Everything is CF and the wing and fuse bags come with the plane. If this one flies as sweet as it looks I may have to add it to the hangar.
http://www.bmeaircraft.com/html/edgeII/extra.html

Lou,

Sorry, I have no experience with the BME planes. I have heard from several reliable sources the Edge is a sweetie. If it flies anything like my 33% WH Edge it will be a blast

They say that their Edge flies really nice. I'ts a pretty sweet looking plane with a great write-up but they all have that!! I really like the looks of the Extra but like the sound of the Edge's flight capabilities.
http://www.bmeaircraft.com/html/edgeII/edgeII.html

Hey Lou55 how are you?
I saw your video a couple of times!
Your cap rocks!!!!
Look,
i am considering also a BCMA.
Are they good engines?
Their price is very attractive.
Best wishes out there to all!

Kostas

We have the 26 and the 40 and they are very good engines. I'm just getting ready to buy one of the new MT 52 Pro engines from Adam for my new 30%. Their price is great and so is their perfomance. 21 pounds of thrust from the 40 with a Xoar 20x8. The new Pro line should be great. You can use the tuned pipes and cans from the DA on their MT 52 Pro and it's putting out 28 pounds of thrust with the muffler that comes with it. For $475 complete with muffler, EI, and stand-offs I don't think you can beat it.

Hey Bubba! They just put out a 100cc twin also for $825.

Lou,

I missed the link to your video....can you post it again please

I'm not sure which one he's been watching. The first one is of Kyle flying the plane for the first time with the 160 in it and the second is the maiden flight with the BCMA 40cc in the plane (pretty uneventful) so here are both of them. Enjoy!

http://media.putfile.com/Kyle-3Ding-My-CAP-232

http://media.putfile.com/BCMA-40cc-Maiden-Flight

Hi there bubba.
Let me ask you a question?
I saw a video that Kylie 3d's a GP CAP 232 with an OS 160FX!
Is it your's?
If yes,
i want to ask if the stock muffler of the OS 160 fits inside the cowl and doesn't interferce with the firewall box.
Also,
i want to ask if the newly introduced OS 200FS SURPASS would be a good 4 stroke.
What do you think?

Thank you for your help,
Kostas

I think that is Lou55's plane. whaturi's video is my old one. I honestly could not answer about the muffler

The 200 Surpass would probably be a good match

That's my CAP and I've never owned a stock muffler for the 1.60 so I'm afraid I couldn't be much help with that but I can tell you that you can get a BCMA 42cc gasser for $295.00 that will fly the heck out of the plane a lot cheaper then that Surpass. I just ordered a Pro 52cc last night for a 30% plane for $475. Adam only charges $35.00 for overseas shipping too! I'm now flying mine on one of his 40cc gassers and it's awesome.

Your BCMA 42 had EI?
Or what?
So,
you think a gasser is better for this big Cap?
You know it will be my 1st gas engine,
so,
i need to buy the equipment........tank for gasoline with handpump,tygon fuel lines etc[:'(]

Kostas1,

It's really not as bad as it sounds. Once you make the transition to gas, you'll never go back. Think of it this way. $2.50 for a gallon plus another 5 bucks fir a quart of oil which typically last 5 or more gallons depending on the mixture being used versus $10 or more for glow fuel, little to no clean, no need to carry a flight box, just fuel, TX and whatever tools you need to assemble the plane, and this Cap only requires a screw drive to install the wing, or if you are like me I replace those wing bolts with hex head nylon wing bolts. Oh yes, now you are going from using 1 or more ounces of fuel per minute on glow engines to less than one ounce per minute on a strong 50cc gas engine so you can even change the tank out to a much smaller one.

Yes, you will need to replace the stopper, not the whole tank, you will convert to Tygon fuel line at close to the exact same cost as glow fuel line and for EI ignition you will need an extra batt and switch. If you stay with NIcd or NiMH you can stay with your current charger.

If you fly like I do, you'll break even in less than a year. I think I broke even in something like 4 months. 2 years ago I spent over $700 on glow fuel for 4 planes, yes I said $700, the year after I spent like $200 on gas and that was for all 4 planes after converting them.

I have a friend that I fly with quite often that once said to me while he was standing behind one of my gas planes (he never saw or heard one to that point in person):

"that thing smells like yard work" and you know after thinking about it for like 2 seconds he was right because you are essentially running the same mix as you would in a weed eater, chainsaw, etc and in some cases you are actually using a converted weed eater/chainsaw engine.

Later that day I left him fly it and when he landed I asked him if it still smelled like yard work now because he was just amazed at how smooth the power was and was grinning like we all do when we flying something we are having a blast with, he proceeded to flip me the finger and converted 3 of his planes within a month.

OOO,
Bubba,
that sound's brilliant.
You are very helpful too!
Thank God there are persons like you ( and others ofcourse) that can help you.
I talked to Scott at Brillelli engines.
Asked him about the the 46GT.
He told me that this engine is not good for the CAP 232,
and,
that's because he is coming out in a few weeks with a 36cc gas that weights less than the 40,
but has the same power!

I've gotta get me a gas plane. I really wanted to do it with the cap but weight was the more important factor with his build. I am seriously looking at the gp yak 54 (continuing with this performance series) and going with the bcma pro 42, or maybe bme 55 if it's ever released.

I have the BCMA 40cc and I can tell you it is powerful. The new pro 42 is supposed to be even more powerful. I just ordered a 52Pro for an Aviation Models 30% Extra 260 I'm going to put together. Haven't heard any hard facts on the 42 but after 7 20ounce tanks of gas the 40 puts out 19 pounds of static thrust with a Xoar 20x8. More then enough for the CAP. Once it's broken in it should develop 23 pounds of thrust in the air and 20-21 static.

Sorry, I just saw this. You are welcome and no problem on the help. I do not know everything but I do a lot of research while I'm staying at a Holiday Inn Express <wink>

Seriously I do do a lot of research and test a few things. I know a few really good people both here on RCU and in person and they share a lot of good inf with me.

As far as the 36cc, if that is really true and I have no reason to not think it isn['t coming from Scott, then I can see this plane at 12.5 to 13 lbs on an egnie4 that does what a 46cc does and you'll have the same thing as if you would install a Da50 at 14lbs

Bubba that helps a lot.
Am,
can ask sth else?
What's the difference between BCMA engines and BRILLELLI?
Is there any real difference?

I'll let that to someone else. I have no experience with either of these