You can get it at any hardware store, Lowes, Menards etc. It will probably come in a 2 ft piece

I'd have to agree. The 36GT would not be enough

As far as using the fueler, I would also agree, those things tend to start sucking air

Yes, you need to replace the coper line in the fuel tank as well, remember, 1/8th inch everything including the clunk, copper tube and fuel lines to the carb

Maiden the Cap Friday morning, all was good. Lined it up ,gave it some gas, tail came up. Then vertical it went. It trimmed real easy, only needed 2 clicks of up. Then the engine died. I hate dead sticks on maiden flights[]. Got it down ok. The thing really floats! Took it up again today, new plug, richened up the lower end. Thought maybe I had it too lean because it died on the maiden, just above idle. Anyway, got her up in the air today. All I can say it wow[sm=thumbup.gif] I still have it rich, but the 160 fx pulled the Cap with no problem at all. The vertical was unreal, it went up fast and stayed going up fast till I could hardly see it. I dont see a problem when it comes time to hover it. I surprised some people says its under powered with the 160. Not true! This plane is a blast to fly, on 3D rates the rolls are just a blur. I'll be back out tomorrow to see what if any mixing it needs. Like I said before ,the plane floats like a 40 size profile. Might have to do the mix Lou and Bubba did on theirs to take out some of that. But as you can tell, I'm very happy with this combo, I cant even imagine it with a DA

Hallelujah!!!
Problem solved without destruction. I bypassed the fueler(it's still there for fueling only)and ran the 1/8" tubing as direct to the carb as possible with a new hole in the firewall. This was not the major problem though. The low end "disc" was about 1/8" to the + side. I had no idea this thing was that sensitive but once I put it back in it's center position and did the tubing stuff it fired right up and ran up nicely.
The idle down low(not enough thrust to move the plane on pavement) was a little rough but a few clicks of trim and BAM! Solid idle and smooth transition to top end. Later I found a small tear in the tubing from the muffler nipple to the tank vent. I restarted it BY HAND and it ran great and I was even able to back off a couple of clicks of trim for a good idle. At full throttle the Menz19x8 sounds wicked. I don't have anyway to measure the thrust, but it's a lot. After reading sewerdudes post with the 1.60 and after knocking the gear off my Extra today(hole on taxi)I'm stoked to drill some holes in the sky tomorrow.

Thanks to all for the help. I'll post on the maiden tomorrow
Rod

Glad you found the problem Balsafire. The Moki is going to pull the snot out of the Cap. Dont worry about babying it, the Cap can take

Never thought to look at Lowes for that stuff. Thanks sewerdude.

Nice plane balsafire. I am going with a Moki 2.10. I decided to build this plane when I found this thread. Lots of good help here.

Thanks also to you bubbagates. This site is great!

Sewerdude

Is your idle low enough, you can get the 160 to idle really low once you get the low end leaned out properly. If forget which prop you went with and if it was the APC18X6W then it pulls really well at a fast idle and will make the plane float a lot.

Balsa,
Glad you got it worked out, you're gonna love this thing.

I actually stuffed myine back together last night after sitting and catching up on this thread and got 4 great flights until I did something really stupid and fueled it while it was charging and got the fuel on the connector for the charger and shorted the battery. DOH...

Easy fix though and if the weather holds out tomorrow afternoon I'll toss it into the sky again

As far as using a DA50 all I can say is do a nice scale takeoff, point the nose straight up and plant the throttle (in that order). Then count and you should be around 1000 feet in about 5 to 10 seconds. Now toss a snap in it with just rudder and aileron it will pull right through and keep truckin'

Then switch to all out high rates, push the nose over and as the plane gets to the top of the arc, plant full left rudder, full down elevator and neutralize the ailerons and if you time it right it will wind up right into one heck of a KE spin. This works for glow and gas. You might need a bit of left or right aileron to get the wings perfectly vertical in the spin but once you get them vertical this thing will wind up right around the CG point and rotate like there is no tomorrow.

Now do a level pass inverted at about 300 feetat half power on low rates, right in front of you add full left rudder and wait about 2 seconds them plant the right stick into the upper right corner and go to full power and hang on because you just did the most beautiful tumble you ill ever see. Just hold everything and it will go around 2 or 3 times and fall into a flat spin, inverted, if not just recover when you feel like it.

And the really cool thing is you can keep doing both of those as much as you want. The tumble will most likely crack the balsa floor under the canopy but that's about it, don't even try to fix it as the next tumble with just crack it next to the glue joint

I maidened the Cap yesterday, and with the Moki 1.8 and an APC 18x6W it was a vertical missile. My all up weight came out to 12 pounds 12 ounces. The plane flies incredibly smooth, but it seems a little pitch sensitive. I have it balanced right at the 5 3/4" mark, and will have to experiment with it some. I am also going to put the rudder servo in the tail, that way I can remove the 1 ounce of lead I had to put on it to balance. Landing is a pain, thank god we have a long runway! I have never seen a plane float like this. Any of my other Caps would have snapped right out on me if I tried to land that slow. I need more right thrust because on a vertical line it pulls to the left pretty good. All in all, I'm very pleased with this plane and I hope to have it around awhile.

Great to hear on the maiden

Keep your low rates at book settings or even a little less. I know it will not look like much but it's plenty. I seem to remember I'm moving 1/2 inch on low rates measure at the counterbalance

I maidened the Cap yesterday too. All up weight is 12lbs. 4oz. Throws are low rate at book specs, High rates are MAX rudder, 45 deg. aeilerons and 30 deg elevator, all at 70% expo. At a c.g. of 5 3/4 it is just a bit tail heavy so I went with that. With a slight breeze down the runway take off was very scale. I had to input 3 clicks of up elevator and 2 clicks of right aeileron for hands off flight. Even on low rates with this much expo the rolls were lightning fast. I just flew some laps (with a few rolls) and low speed passes to get a feeling for the landing. Our field is a dry lake bed so the long glide slope was fine and it touched down nicely. The gear is a bit springy for our rough feild but after one small bounce I flared it in and kept it rolling.
We checked everything out and it was time to put it through its paces. I took off and switched to high rates, puckered up and yanked the sticks into a snap. It was just a red, white and blue blur that ended up inverted. Not what I intended but it looked cool[8D]. I slowed it down and went for a wall. Perfectly straight up with no tip stalling at all so I pinned it and went vertical. Here's the bad part.

It was going vertical like a rocket...for about 4 seconds. It flamed out at about 150 feet. Just prior to this another pilot had crashed(total loss) and he as well as 3 of his buddies are on the runway inspecting the wreckage. If I landed into the wind I would have been going right at them. I went down wind well past them and banked sharp left to set up an approach. Remember the High rates? I didn't. When I got it turned into the wind I was only about 5' high and over corrected to the right and went down right wing low. Sounds bad but was pretty minor all in all. The Nylon wing bolts snapped and the fuse hit on the gear and spinner. It seperated the former that the wing dowls go into from the fuse but did not break it, just the glue joint came loose. The right wheel pant was destroyed and the cowl scratched on the botton. I thought the right wing half was toast but it will be an easy fix. The spar is fine and all the balsa pieces are there. All that said, For what I got to fly it I love this plane, Just got to find out whats wrong with the engine setup. I was running it rich as the smoke trail and oil on the bottom of the wing and fuse prove it. We did a vertical on the ground at initial startup with no issues. I found a guy selling a ZDZ 40. wadaya think.

I've already repaired the fuse and will do the wing tonight after I go get some Mono-cote. I'll wait for some input on the engine before I decide what to do. I'll say this, It is a well built plane. Kudo's to Great Planes, It could have been a lot worse. It'll fly again soon[8D].

Happy fly'in all
Rod

Sorry to hear about your mishap Balsafire! Glad it isnt to bad and you'll be in the air soon. I flew mine over the weekend , the 160 is still rich, but like I said before its got plenty for this bird. Finally got to weight it, came in at 12lbs 3 oz. Weighted it with a Berkley fish scale. Guess I got a light one. I've got my cg right at 6 inches, yes, it floats like no other. but like Bubba said once the 160 is broke in I'll be able to slow the idle down .My vertical seems pretty straight, so I'll leave it as is. Oh, the knife edges arent to bad either. Yeap, GP did a good job with this one

Go to page 9 of this thread and read the first entry!! LOL It sure floats a lot!!!

Floating isnt the word for it Al, lol. Yea, like you it was gliding along at 6 ft high clear across the runway. Had to come back around couple of times to regroup I cant believe it didnt snap or drop a wing. I kept waiting for the worse the first time . The thing glides like a 40 size profile. I'll give the mix a try. Thanks

That's exactly how my flights went. On the last flight of the day, the wind kicked up some and I thought awesome, now I have a head wind to slow me down and I can land easier. Um, no.. it just floated right on by. I had the Moki ticking over at 1500 rpm on idle with the 18x6w prop and it wouldn't stop pulling.

Balsafire,

Reading through the post, thinking about using my zdz40 f3A w/ cabon tuned pipe in this plane, picking up a 4-stroke 120 for my HAwk, when I read, what has re-comfirmed what I do not like about glow engines and idiots out in the middle of the runway. Anything can deadstick, it just seems that the gas do not as much. THis could be that when one gets gass he has more experience with planes and egines in general, but I think that most of it is that Gas engines are for bigger planes, glow are for smaller ones. With the release of lighter gas engines now, one should always try to use the gas engines in planes like this.
I had thought about picking up a Giles Ultimate-RC and put in the Pattern ZDZ 40.... would weight in a 11lbs (talk about foamy power) Looks like the GP cap would weight in around 13lbs if I used that engine in it.

You have refreshed my memory at just how fickel the glow engines can be. I do not want to risk the GP hawk with a deadstick from a glow 120 4-stroke on my 1st flight.....
I think I will have to rethink this decision once again,,,

Justin

I dont think because you buy "gass" you know more about egines in general. Its a cost factor a lot of times. Remember some like glow, some like EPower, and some like gas. Experience has little to do with it.

With either gas or glow you need to know how to tune. If not, your going to have dead sticks no matter what. Gas is not less prone to dead stick than glow by any means.

Well, I received my Cap today only to open the box and find a totally destroyed fuselage. It looks like someone put it in the box all busted up. I can't blame this one on UPS. I called Tower and they will be e-mailing me a return ups sticker. I was hopening to have this plane ready by the first of June. Doesn't look like this is going to happen now. I agree with you Kochj, I think a big part of people having more problems with glow than gas is the inexperience. I recently bought my first gas engine, used. No one at my club flies gas, shoot I never saw a gas engine until I bought this one. Since I bought it used I didn't get a manual or any instructions, but by tuning my glow engines I knew exactly how to adjust the carb on the gas engine. When I started in the hobby there were many dead stick landings until I learned about correct carb adjustments. Back to glow, I haven't had a dead stick on the last 4 or 5 glow engines I have bought.

I think you'll find that glo have more dead-sticks for one major reason, no ignition. I run a on-board glo-driver on my 160 and it can sit and idle for 15 minutes and still throttle right up. Never had a dead-stick with it or any other engine I ran the driver on. If you're afraid of dead-sticking a glo engine, get an on-board glo-driver and set it to come on at 1/3 throttle and below. You will still need to tune the engine properly but you won't have to cut a hole in your pretty cowl for your pocket glo-driver.

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What brand of glow driver do you use. I need to buy a new one for the Moki I am putting in my Cap.

http://electrodynam.com/rc/EDR-103/index.shtml

Thanks Lou55