na, buy the proper pipe and it save in the long run

Just had a really fun two flights with my Capiche today. Ive got the set-up pretty much sorted now. Think i need to mix in a bit of right aileron with right rudder though.
The harrier pull up from a parachute i did rocked the wings a little, but that was my fault, just need more practice.
The Saito 72 is a great engine for this plane. Vertical uplines are effortless and the size of rolling loops you can do is only limited by your eyesight. The noise is really nice too.
One thing i have noticed with the Saito 72 is how quickly it spools up in flight- with normal two strokes you open the thottle and wait for the speed to increase whereas with the saito if you are chugging along slowly at just above idle and then slam the thottle open the thing accelerates like a bat out of hell!(this could also be due to the very light weight too.)
I think youre going to like your plane/engine combination Sprink!

Archie
Any words on a US distributor.

I think the Capiche would do really well in this market. Most guys over here are flying the UCan'tdo 3d 60 and the UCanSnapYourWingsInHalf 46!!!!

Luke
Your capiche looks really nice. Good original design on the graphics.

A quick update everyone. My Capiche is now ready to cover. Spent about six hours today in my parents garage tidiying up all the odds and sods prior to covering.

Wing leading edge done, (sharper at the root, flatter at tip, as per instructions), belly pan fitted, wing mounting holes drilled, mounting plate supports sanded to shape, and final sanding for everything.

Will post photos tomorrow, along with weights and full update of things so far. Haven't got time to night.

See ya soon

Anyone have the all carbon fiber version of the Capiche 50? With the carbon fiber cowl, canopy, etc...


Steven

I have not been ignoring everyone... just been real busy...

West RPM and Pipes..... Nail on the head Philly.... If you use the throttle pipe on the West you loose rpm and throttle response... MUST BE THE MINI PIPE..... hence when customers ask me for a Capiche pipe its always a question of what engine its for...

Versus YS ..... sorry Philly I know you dont like em but that 900 is worth having but more importantly, its the torque and throttle response thats the winner... pretty much as outlined by Lukes experience with the Saito .... little to no spool time.... and dont bother telling me that there is no delay on the west 50 with the 13x4W cos there IS ! But at the end of the day its a matter of preference and performance requirement.

Low 3D stuff demands a fourstroke for me anyday of the week, and the pressurised fuel system fuss free operation brings its advantages too... the C50 has been designed in such away that you can bring the tank back in the fuz to inbetween the leading edge cheeks of the wing, so that it sits just infront of the cg point easily.... of course if you want it further back its gotta go into the canopy!

Shadow... no US distributor at present.... Carbon Copy UK are handling international orders though www.carboncopyuk.com

Shortman.... Carbon version ? Main diff is appearance and a little weight saving.... Why do you ask?

My C50 has been pulled from duty temporarily for a thorough check over and inspection... its worked pretty hard in the last few months and I want to see if anything is getting tired on it.... AND... its getting an engine transplant !

The Magnum 61 RFS has been fantastic in it... it really is a good engine.... but I am in the top quarter of the throttle for torque rolls etc and its all a bit marginal for those getaway quick scenarios... Its a perfect match for people who want a nice aerobatic model... but for 3D aero... a little short as I said...

So..... YS 63 from my Flip 3D is getting a new home sometime soon ! Same prop and I should get another 2000 or more... that'll do it ! I guess the weight will go up a tad but I was pretty light to start with at 4-11.

cheers all..

i've not had a play on a 4 stroker yet, even tho i almost got my hands on Deans Acrowot ( could have killed two test birds in one stone then ) but while i'm used to my spool up time of my two strokers, i'll remain in cheap fuel land

must get a mini for the poor 36 in my Cougar, it's on a Leo muffler, getting a half decent 13.9k, but it should be more like 16.
heres a weird one for you...
APC 10x4 13.6k
Master 11x4 13.6k but cuts when going from mid to full throttle!
APC 11x3 probably about 13k, more load than the Master, but doesnt cut.. weird..
when i've got the pipe Choppy recommends... 11x4 APC!

ps, new 36 design has a backplate that bolts right onto the Cougar firewall.

...absolutely stunned.

So the plane is now finished in terms of building. Photo below shows it done. Ailerons are on the ground as I haven't yet cut the hinge slots in the wing trailing edge. Only bits missing are the wing tips, they will go on once covered.

OK, so why am I stunned? Well, I put it on the scales. Then moved the scales round a bit. And tried it again. I put other weights on the scales to check they were working OK. Weighed it again. Checked in the kit box to ensure I had included everything, and nothing was still to be done. Nope, only conclusion I can come to is that the weight is correct.

609 grams!
Thats a shade under 1 lb, 5.5 oz!

Not quite sure where the other 1/4 lb has gone compared to Hercmate's and The Baron's. Did I get lucky with lighter wood? Am I a builder extraodinaire? Or have I missed something vital? All this saving is in the fuz, as the wings are a shade under 10 oz, the fuz is 11.5 oz.

Anyway, my thoughts on the Capiche build:

- Certainly one of the easiest kits I have built. No, it IS the easiest kit I have built. In all other builds I have always come across something which I have found tricky, and have always ended up changing things for one reason or another. Not the Capiche, it is built absolutely stock.

- Also one of the quickest I have built (close run thing with the Glens Models Cap 58!QUOT!). Only just over four weeks since getting it, and two of those weeks, I was very busy at the office slowing me down.

Er, well thats about all I can say really. Thats the trouble when things go this well.[8D]

Right, well I'm off to have another look in the box to see if I have missed anything, and carry on covering (wings coming along nicely).

Ooops, so stunned, forgot the photo.[&:]

Sprink.

Good mate but I think the web site shows mine with a canopy and cowl @1 lb 10ozs
BTW.
Flew a Madness on Sunday with the West 50!! Even with the lesser throttle pipe @11K it was BALLISTIC and the Madness it was in is a good 5ozs heavier than MY Capiche. Must be brill on the mini pipe @12k!!

Stark contrast flew an Aerostar with a 46 and muffler today [&o][&o]

Lacked just about everything!! Desperately needed a pipe and a 1lb shaved of its 6.5lb AUW Nasty toy.

Sprink

B***er forgot!!

Why on earth will you add the tips after its covered

my 12K figure is on a rich setting still, 12.6 i think to be sure..
one i was still running in, two, i kinda like the trail it leaves at full throttle

now to do it all again when i get it back Wednesday.


i thought the thread title thing had been sorted, hopefully it'll go back now lol

Has anyone tried putting smoke i their capiche? I thought of bunging in a 3oz tank and a pete tindal smoke pump, considering that ive got a fourstroke in it which is supposed to be good for making smoke due to the nice hot silencer.It will increase weight but i thought it might look pretty cool. Any thoughts?

I often make a balls up of covering the tips of wings. As they are nice and thick, I can put them on afterwards, so the edges of the covering are sandwiched between the wing and tip.

Also, not quite sure what colour to do them in Red, White or Blue. Will see what looks best when the wing is covered.

Luke, 3 oz will give you about 30 seconds of decent smoke!! you will need to squeeze a 8oz tank in if you want it to last a quarter if your flight and to fit a Pete t pump at about 3oz (guess) you are now creating yourself a nasty toy!! you will also have to fuel proof the entire airframe and all the covering joints very well and be prepared not to be able to pick the plane up after a flight (Sllliippeerryy

these tips are easy, no curves.
film the wing, leave about 3-4mm overlap on the tips, then simply slice some film on the front curve ( this allows it to conform to the D shape curve, cut from the wing edge, outwards in quick straight lines ), the back is ok apart from the back edge which will need two slices , then simply roll the iron off the wing onto the tip edge taking the film with it. then cover the tip in balsalock. now use some scrap from the wing and just iron it flat on the tip. use a knife blade laid flat on the wing to push through the tip film, then drag the knife along. seal the edge with prymol
job done.
all other tips are either a varitaion of this, or covering the wing it's self, ie for Cougar style tips.

did considerer smoke, but with the fuel problems i decided not to.

Thanks for the reply Dave, guess there only a point in putting smoke in a 2.5 metre plane upwards then.

I know you guys are very very busy, but do you have any updates on the progress of the Capiche funfly wing?

Dave... you beat me to it on the 3 oz of smoke fuel !

I believe a conservative estimate for descent smoke is 2oz perminute, and thats provided you can be lean with it.. i.e. if you have a pre heat, or the likes of petrol where it all gets burnt.

C50 forget it..
C140... now thats doable...seems a shame to add 10 ozs plus to the AUW, but it would carry the weight well.... but then again.. use a YS and muffler and you got smoke for free !!

Capiche FFly Wing is shelved at present.... 140 priority... and then..... we'll see...

yikes, surely the Baron has some fagpacket drawings as to what shape he was going for and how to get around the spar placement/CofG problem.
hope the shelf is at eye level so it won't be forgotten, the cat was let out the bag and i think quite a bonus to the Capiche appeal.
i don't want to have to design and build my own when i know what Malc will come up with will work 100 times better, then again, if i crack on, maybe i can sell you the design now theres an idea lol

now, whats the hypes wingloading..

Sprink

I am pleased and not surprised to hear that your experience is not uncommon !

Trust me, and the Baron knows cos he had to make the changes to the CAD files, we went back and tweaked that model in lots of little ways to make sure the details counted !

The very real fact is that many folks out there still believe that ARTF is best at this size... yes there are many good artfs at this size, but those that appear to be better value for money are not always performers in the air.

My direction with this model was to convince people who say they dont or cant build, or they dont have time, that this is not necessarily harder to assemble than an ARTF and what you will get for the effort is a whole lot more than the sum of the parts !

The truth is that people who spend the time building and get a duffer are irritated.... Ive built a few ARTF planes now there is so much choice and the same can happen... thing is folks are scared to make the same mistake....

Capiche 50 is no mistake believe me (and plenty of others) Now we are down the line a bit I am more confident than ever that anyone who comes back and says they have an issue with flight performance has either misunderstood its role (shouldnt happen with the website ! we bang on about it enough), is mistaken/inexperienced, or they have done something wrong with the build or set up...

I dont know you, or how good your flying is but if you are not impressed with the performance on the air then you mist tell us precisely what is happening and we will surely have a solution...... too many of them go too well !!!

YOU HAVE MY ATTENTION !

Good luck... looking very good so far...

Did you say what motor you were using ? and what covering ?

Philly

FAG PACKET !

TIME..... We dont have as much of it as you do !


Club mate of mine was in your neck of the woods recently.... he met with someone called Peter Faulkner I think...

sorry off topic..

Archie, seriously, has anyone moaned about the Capiche yet? something that can't be done with more expo, less throws, move this, change that etc? apart from CPLR moaning it didn't have enough dehederial lol

Sprink: i can't see that pic, it just takes me to the main forums


awww i want my motor back and run in.. i'm really missing the Capiche, good news is, it might be trimed up by next week

yer fagpacket, we all do little drawings, dont we? right now next to me i have a delta, with a squiggle for the engine, a line for the pipe, and a no drag hinge/control horn...no not the bent rod design, far simplier.
and i'm sure i'll photo shop a few funfly wings onto a Capiche fuz before i pick on a shape.
right now trying to work out why the Capiche dosn't wing rock, and how i can get that in a FF wing, also will it screw the KE lack of coupling etc.. lots to consider, but the bigest headache is the CofG, and how that effects the spar.. two ways for me.. will draw to work out.. liking the sharp LE of the Hype/Cougar.. doesn't hurt the stall, ummmm.....
Time when your unemployed is worse, you have time to do everything later, you end up doing nothing.

only know one peter, unsure of his last name... hope you only got good reports of our club


back to topic...
night guys..

peter faulkner=crashmaster pete! you got the right one!

ahhh i thought so...
he did keep telling me in the past
"i've got a mate how knows the guy that makes the Capiche, i can ask him if you want"
it was a while before i got him to understand that i talk the man himself lol

i had a dream last night, about center sections and balsa shims to shift the wing around and get the CofG right on the FF wing[], only now i'm awake it's not as easy as that.

Philly, re photo, worked last night, think RCU may be fiddling with something. Will edit if still not working later.

As for how to do wing tips, yes that is how I usually do them. However you end up with a film edge at the wing edge, and I find it difficult to get that nice and neat. By sandwiching it between the tip blocks removes that problem.

Archie, I have been flying for four years now, and while trying not to big myself up too much, I feel that I am starting to get quite good (though going to the Freestyle comp has really inspired me and I have been pushing myself a lot since then). It'll be a while before I can fling it round like I saw Luke doing, but I'm hoping the Capiche will help me along the learning curve.

I also really like building, so have avoided artfs (Over the summer I got a Flair Lark. It goes OK but after a few flights I'm planning to sell it, I have no connection to it). Every kit I have built from my first trainer has flown well, though some a lot better than others. I therefore do not expect the Capiche to fly like a dog due to my building, nor do I expect it to fly like a dog because it is inherently bad. I expect it to fly well, the question is how well.

Expectations are high, due to this thread, the RCME reports, and the FlyCapiche news letters, so I hope it lives up to them... we shall see. Certainly I'm impressed so far. If the flying is half as good as the build, it will beat most of my previous planes. On the other hand, if CPLR's only criticism was it needed a tweak to the dihedral, I very much doubt I will spot any faults.

As I say, I have built a lot of kits, and even three planes from plans, and this is the first plane I have built in three years "stock". Everything else has had a number of changes during building (eg: my Ultimate's insides taking a complete reworking to get the CoG right), but that has not been neccessary with the Capiche. (though I haven't tried fitting any radio gear yet)

Hmm, having re read this post I hope it doesn't come across the wrong way. I'm not trying to be critical or anything, just trying to explain my position. At the end of the day, I am currently a good sport flyer who enjoys building kits, but one who wants to improve my flying, and so I beleive the Capiche fits the bill 100%.

On build note, my wing is over two thirds covered already (must be getting good at iron weilding) so hope to finish it tonight (wing tips excepted!!)