No worries Sprink... you are understood.

As for the dihedral... really, I was pushing CPLR to give me negative feedback when he flew mine... I knew he liked it by watching the flight.... he was reluctant at first and I told him I needed some constructive criticism... at least a bit...

Hence the comments aired in the capiche site, only one of which was design related, the rest was related to the bog standard gear I used... The dihedral was a minor point but he really didnt see it as worth a great mention.. lets face it, you can take what is supposed to be a pure reponse model and change it depending on weight distribution, spats, no spats, canopy position, AUW, prop selection, weather conditions... bla bla bla..

I think that why we have some people come to us and say theirs is perfect on k.e and others who say it needs a tiny bit of coupling.. All in all though it amounts to half of nothing..

Philly... keeping dreaming about that FFly wing and when youve cracked it let us know !!! LOL

From what i have seen, Sprink is a better pilot than he says, i think he is being a bit modest!
The picture works now by the way.
Next saturday even though the plane is already great at knife edge i am going to try to add a little mixing for the knife edge and flat circles(only 1 or 2% aileron).

sprink: you've really confused me now...
you wont get an edge on the wing tip.. ok, but now you have a line where the tips glued on AND you've still got a tip to cover... looks like your going to over lap onto the wing fron the tip??? open for ugly lines...
hang on.. i'll take pics...
ok, two pics...
the capiche tip is the wing film curved down, then the tip trim put on and sliced clean.. the Shrike was the other way around, i did the tips first, then sliced the wing covering to the edge. both are prymoled on the join.



i remember Malc saying something about a different shape to the FF wing from normal paralell.. just wondering how tapered tips would effect it. was there a basic shape? something i can work from. i know enough to make a FF wing that would work, but it needs to be a Capiche wing, done in Capiche style

Hmm, now I'm confused.

Current plan (too late to change now, too far down the wing covering road) is to cover the wing, excluding the wing tips.

Then decide what colour to do the wing tips (leaning towards red at the moment), and cover them.

Then glue the wing tips on to the wing.

If I do go for red, then I will get a join line, but it will be fine. If I go for another colour, the join line wont be so easy to see as the colour will change at that point. I'll try to take photos tonight when the wing is done.

Looking at your photo, you have covered the wing in white, folding/stretching/shrinking the covering over the edge. Then covered the end with the purple, and trimmed around the edge to line up with the wing tip? Just think my method is a little bit neater.

Mind you, if the best we can argue about is how to cover the wing tips, says a lot for how good the plane is.

pretty much, except you don't need to strech and srink, you end up with little 3mm deep tabs you just fold down. you do need a sharp knife to get a clean edge.
'm not so worryied about a line in your case, just at best a v shape where they meet ( dure to the curve set whe ironing ) at worse total missalignment. ith the tips in place you sand the lot down. if you can't do tips neat, you've got two edge on unneat faces to glue... i just see it as over hard and bad news, too easy to get wrong.

Mind you, if the best we can argue about is how to cover the wing tips, says a lot for how good the plane is.

AGREE

Hmm, so now you have got me thinking, and now I think that perhaps I should have stuck the wing tips on first.

Oh well too late now.

Thats a pretty Scabby looking tip Philly

Try this one As you said cover with a minimum overlap then just cover tip flat.

Very easy

A funfly wing with its massive compound curves a diffo story

OUCH!!!!

malc, mark simmo had a bit of trouble with the cap 50 e the other day, a couple of very nasty glitches. nearly went in!

he said you were using pcm receiver but he was using ppm receiver.
i thought if you had a glitch and lost signal on pcm then the failsafe cuts in, or is that a myth? enlighten me

PCM = Pre Crash Mode

that tip is fine mate, and in fact, done as you just said. just in less words.
seeing as the colour difference is a bit obvisious i thought it looks ok, even that close!

now.. what little doodels did you do for a FF wing?
and now Cartman i'm not doing a blown up Killer Bee wing. it'll be more or less Hypeish. Esp if i get the Chopster to help out

With a pcm receiver then it does cut into failsafe if a signal is lost, but that failsafe needs to be set before hand. If not all it does is hold the previous position. The ESC should also have a failsafe to cut the throttle if it gets funny signals.

Baron, thats what I was thinking about Phils tips, but didn't want to say anything...

oh no, theyre all having a go, hahahahah!!!!

just ignore them phil, i think theyre ok

so pcm will just hold the servos where they are until a clear signal is 'locked', rather than letting the servos move?

whats wrong with you guys? sure the Capiche tip has a tiny bit of purple missing near the LE where it tore not cut, but the pic is about 1.5 times bigger than real life! once further than 3" away you can't see that! come on then, lets see your over laps amd tips close up

as for the rough bit on the Shrike... thats where it lands and hits all sort of moo poo and electric fence stuff..


compaired to the rest of the film which is lifting on the tail etc the tips are blimmin perfect :P

Has anyone from the US ordered this kit?

I use PCM rec but as Sprink says I dont set failsafe. I think Mark will try a diffo rec and see.

Philly if I was going to do a Fun fly wing!!! I would probably start with the same basic centre and take a bass spar out from each side of the fuzz to first servo bay position.

I would then build a box around that fits the fuzz.

Then take the Cougar wing section and cut three ribs with the box shape removed from the middle. If you then moved that box shape down in the next two ribs (say) 1.5mm you would create a little dihedral. Keep the LE straight and make a Hype type tapered ailerons.

A lot like the planform of an Acro wot.

With a bit of luck the position of the cougar spars would allow you to graft them on top of the original section.

RC_ sport, I beleive that one or two may have been shipped to the US. You need to contact http://www.carboncopyuk.com/ for international shipping apparently.

Cool
Thanks Malcom, i was thinking along the same lines the Cougar/Hype section really does seem to work as well as the very rounded LE's at low speed, but also work better at high speed.
my other center section idea had the main spar running in the same plan as the standard Capiche wing, with the larger chord of the FF wing the spar would be behind the high point, a departure from standard construction which would leave the D box tapering back at the rear, but i don't see a problem with this. it would also be simplier than having a main center spar, that then has to start a new spar once exited the fuz.
glad you want dihedral, i did wonder. i take it theres no taper on the ribs, no different section at the tips. ( aiming for the no wing rock as per standard wing, which both Cougar and Hype show )
no matter which center box i went for i'd use the existing center section, but the thicker wing would mean the belly would be that much smaller. the hardest bit is then working out which way to shift the wing to getthe same CofG reaction.. ie, for those how like it forward, the FF wing CofG is forward, for the tail happy charlies, it's back.. i'm in the middle, so i'll find out where the Hype CofG is from choppy ( drawing of the section too )and get it done mid way...

oh dear, i guess i'm really gonna have to do this now

Malc, could you send a quick scribble of your description.. just incase my view isn't want you were getting at.
Thanks

phil,i have the cougar section on paper in the shed. i copied it for future projects such as this when kim spanked his leccy cougar and i had to fix it!

ill dig it out later

cool, i'll need to tweak it a bit, i offered the Cougar wing to the Capiche eariler, deff needs more chord, but the good news is the section looks to fit the bay without too much alteration. should make the centre section easier.
the Cougar wings a bit small, but... it had potential lol
i wont do a Corbin jigsaw on it, but will see if i can get the ribs cut like steve did for the Mini Rapiers. After i've done it and given Malc the plans, he can work on making it a Jigsaw

Sprink, I have, but they want 40 Pounds to ship. I'm not sure but I think thats alot of US Dollars.

40.00 GBP United Kingdom Pounds = 66.6365 USD United States Dollars

Thats better than the other direction! I once enquired about an Aeroworks Edge 25%. $275 for the kit, $250 for the shipping[X(]

Gave up at that point.[]

Part of the problem is the USD/GBP rate at the moment.

I think I'll wait till someone imports them.

You were askin for it!

well theres a hint of yellow at the front. but thats cheating, too far away, and edge on.

but look at the glint in the capiche 50 decal.........almost as nice as yours!