Oh dear phillybaby. sorry to see a smashed capiche.
I am due to fly mine again after a long break up in wales- but this time with the extra side and upthrust i talked about earlier. I will post an account of the result for anyone remotely interested!
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Test.
some have mentioned a problem posting to this thread in the new Capiche thread.
EXCAP232

No problem posting or editing

all got sorted a while ago, thanks

Extra upthrust produced no perceptible difference to flight characterisitcs. However an extra degree over the amount built in to the kit results in it screwing to the right out of tight positive loops. the elevator joiner is fine so i think i need some more investigation to find the problem if it persists after half a degree is taken off.

Both me and the other chap with the capiche at the field agreed that transitioning from the elevator to harrier is more tricky with this plane than has been said. As soon as you touch the rudder to correct a change in direction the wings react violently. I guess we both just need more practice but it certainly isnt a case of "just add power and the nose rises into a rock steady harrier"!
Next time i see The Boy, surrey3stlyla or ali, i will ask them for some tips on harriering. Maybe its my fingers that are the problem!

Other than that, i am very pleased with the Capiche and looking forward to its big sister!

mine used to be ok to steer around with rudder in the elevator, but a bit of throttle to raise the nose to land or harrier tended to make it pitch about a bit before it started to fly again, but if you add power when you've got that much elevator then let it go thats exactly what i'd expect. i blame my fingers for that.
i still wouldn't elevator land the standard wing, learnt my lesson last time i tried that
maybe i'll get to try elevators again next month

Hi,

Good to meet you down the field luke.

Another few flight on my Capiche and I have now moved the CofG back since my first flights to about 125mm. Fairly strong wind again.

The inverted flatspins have improved dramatically - really slowing down and looking really graceful. Waterfalls have tightened up a bit, especially with the help of coupled flap. Parachutes and walls have improved a bit (they were pretty good before) -still can't do a proper falling leaf though. No real difference in knife edge although the more gusty wind made it harder.

As luke said Elevators seem to be rock steady, but as soon as I transition to a harrier the rudder seems to become super sensitive. I can keep it steady for a while but it is nowhere near as easy as with my Midwest Cap232 (which admittedly is quite a bit larger plane). I am going to try a bit more sidethrust as it does always pull to one side (also in vertical climbs) which may help a little. I have tried mixed elevator with up flap but this just increased the speed of the plane and didn't seem to make it any steadier - although I will try different amounts of mix)

Still having great fun with it.

Kevin

I didn't pay a huge amount of attention to either Luke's or Kevin's flights (trying to sort out my new GP Cap 232).

However a few highlights I did pick out were:

Luke did a fantastic elevator landing. Just about straight down in the strong wind, but absolutely steady. He also did something that was a real surprise when he did it, a roll straight into a wall. Looked very impressive, and the wall is unexpected.

Kevin's flat spins were very nice, the rate of decent controlled by the throttle til it was stationary. He also did a nice rolling loop, and some nice steady prop hanging.

Not much to report on my Capiche, fuel proofed the firewall, and started covering the rudder. Things calming down in the office this week so hope to get it all covered and the decals on by the end of the week, and if all goes well engine and radio installed on Saturday so I can fly it on Sunday (unlikely I'll be able to do it in a day, but you never know).

3drcheli - rolling to one side in a harrier, it could be a balance issue rather than side thrust. ? My harriers were better once I got the lateral balance sorted.

Thanks Ultimate, I will try that. I haven't latterally balanced it and it is falling off to the silencer side so that certainly won't be helping matters.

Kevin

hi luke
i just read your post on the harrier manouvere,if this is any help try not to be to agreesive with the rudder cos you can still use those ailerons to walk it around which is smoother than just the rudder useage,but dont forget to use the throttle aswell to balance it all up.just practice mate.
cheers mike

I just realised...

Ive been calling the vertical parallell descent a harrier.. but it is in fact a parachute, which is what I originally thought ! I dunno the UK vs US lingo !

The harrier then is the forward moving high alpha stuff a bit like a prop hang moving forward right ? I call that walking the dog !

Anyway

I have some footage of my C50 from a couple of months ago doing the parachute down to the deck, then into harrier toward the camera followed by a right hand harrier circuit around me as I stood on the run way.

Also got the landings.

Just gotta get the time to see my webmaster about transfering from 8mm tape to pc and then to the website...
So little time... I NEED A HOLIDAY !

PS - the C140ex EP will be re tested soon.
PPS - full range of accessories coming soon for the C50 too....In fact JIMBO is getting some of the first bits !

errr Archie no,


I thought the vertical parallel descent was called the Elevator, Harrier is with throttle to give froward movement at high alpha, and the Parachute is a vertical downline, throttle at idle, then apply full rate elevator and the model stops dead in its tracks. From the Parachute you can then easily transition into a harrier. Someone please tell me I'm right, or correct me !


In the harrier I tend to use ailerons and rudder in tiny movements to steer around, as the rudder is too sensitive on its own as Luke observed.

walking the dog I think is going from a upright harrier to an inverted harrier via a brief prop hang ?

oh blimey... my head hurts !

ooh ooh can I have a go:

Wall - fly straight, full up elevator, plane goes vertical and stops dead (like hitting a wall)

Parachute - a vertical downline wall. (like a parachute opening on a skydiver)

Elevator - from parachute, keep the plane horizontal, while descending under control with little forward air speed

Harrier - Using more throtle bring the plane's nose up and commence forward motion at high alpha (Kevin's avatar shows his Midwest Cap doing a Harrier)

Walking the dog - something you do when you want to get out of the house.

i had this argument with Nathan a while ago...
a Harrier can not fly forwards with it's nose high when in it's hover, it flys backwards lol

i still call the vert decent a harrier even tho it's a elevator.

Nathan has it all on his site anyway.

in the wind a harrier would look like a hover, ie stationary, or going backwards but slower than the wind speed. A hover into wind iould go backwards with the wind at the same speed as the wind, with the model pointing vertically upwards. IE If its leaning into the wind then technically its a harrier.

but there again, who cares

lol

Ive read about 1/4th of this thread and i see no USA posts, is this bird available in the uS? anyone here flying it? One thing i ask is does it harrier well, the harrier is the one thing most "3D'" planes dont do well. Also how much is £130.48
in American? What the heck is a quid?

try X 1.6 will give you a good estimate of US$

What you need to do is gang together and order three or four then the carriage will be less of a burden.

wow $208.00 is a lot of scratch for a kit

a quid is UK slang for a pound (as in buck is US slang for a dollar)

Quick update -

Covering nearly complete. Just a bit of trimming and putting on the decals to do. Should have some photos for Thursday.

Agree. IMO, you will not see that many Capiches' flying over here for that very reason.

I have read most of the posts on this plane, as for me, the price/performance is just not there......yet. Time will tell...

I hope it does get to your side of the Atlantic for a reasonable price, what I have seen so far shows it is far too good to keep to ourselves

Yes, but I buy a kit with my heart first, head second, wallet third (which is why I have lots of fun but no money ). I will always be happy to pay out more for a kit than a BARF as I enjoy building them as well as flying them, and I like them built to my specifications.

Having said that the Capiche is the first kit I have built for a long time where I don't think I have made much if anything in the way of changes.