Thanks Sturtz... I thought about velcro...But.... I really don't like
using it, Plus as far back and tight as I have to go it may not bite
good.... I 'm thinking of cutting another access on the other side
so I can drill a couple holes in the center rib and wire tie... Thanks!!

Hey SPUD37.... Double thanks:-) Service on top of Service You
gotta love it!!!! Now get to putting some pics up:-)

svanos... I double agree with the UCD 46.... It's cheap...(cost wise:-))
Floats and Lands like you wouldn't believe... And on low rates and a
forward CG... It can make a great trainer/reentry into the Hobby...
It does require lighter landings and to always land on it's wheels:-)
Turn it up and away she goes.......... Better looks???? oooooohhh:-)
Maybe Barry will pipe-in on the funtana........ I think he gave his
away.....

Vtwin,

I haven't built mine yet - still in the box. I just heard that it required 'hot' landings and this is in line with high wing loading (especially if I put a 1.80 on it!). Sounds like Spud knows more about it than I do, but my info is from 3 guys in my club. They didn't say anything bad about its general flying, just that it was prone to snapping if landing too slow.

Hey Steve,
These guys on this thread have flown about all of them others. The Mayhem ,Funtana ,and the multitude of others out there. My feeling I get after following this thread for awhile is that this plane is kind of in its own category. By this I mean that it hovers well flat spins well & so on. One of the regulars here just built a twist that he likes also. But the things that all of us here can agree on is this plane has a forgiving CG range, has great slow speed handling[which is where you are in high alpha maneuvers], & lands great.

The CAP by great planes is a great CAP to fly it flys on rails [as long as you balance lat as well]. No tip stalls. Will snap out of loops with too much ele.. But lands as slow as a trainer. Our club test pilot flew my CAP as well as many others, & he states that all CAPs are usually great fliers. You just have to get your balance right and like most acrobats keep the wing loading lite. If your talking about the Hangar 9 120 size CAP then your 180 should be fine. If its the 1/3 scale then your going to want to go with gas. I thought about it some and wanted to add that the wings on the CAP's are kind of a thin symetrical wing so you may need to keep a little power on when you flair,then ounce your in ground effect, start to back it off. Most low wing planes act that way. Remember- ground effect is usually a wingspan above the ground, also that we balance low wing aircraft inverted, air is a fluid, so where am I going with this....... If a low wing a/c sits on it's airfoil[a high wing hangs from its airfoil], then if we slow down too much then like a boat in water[the wt of course floating on top] and we stall the tip of the wing[remember acrobats don't like washout] this will=tip stall........so on final when you flatten out your approach, just add alittle power[ about 1/3-1/5 throt] & keep the AOA of the wing low & you should be fine.

Hope I helped, Shawn

Hey V-twin,
The CAP 580 is a great plane. Builds straight and tru, and flys the same. This is not a 3D plane by no means. It is an acrobat that does all of the patterns that the full scales will do. Tumbles, snaps, loops, and rolls. Highly recommended if you want to sharpen your pattern skills.

Hope this helps, Shawn

Shawn,

First, the CAP 232 I have is the teal blue and white Hangar 9 version. So, it sounds like you are saying that I can't go wrong with either the 40 or 60 size UCANDO, but that the CAP (especially with a 1.20 instead of the 1.80) would be that bad either as long as I am very particular about the CG balancing (which I assume would mean that the more tail heavy it is, the more prone it would be to snapping over on a too slow approach)?

Any tie breaker opinions between the two sizes of the UCANDO? I have a Saito 60 and OS 91 which would power each one respectively. On the other hand, the CAP is bought and paid for and less needed to convince wife when she sees new airplane box! he he

Thanks, Steve

Hey Steve, I added some more explanation about CAP aerodynamics that might help,look at my last post to you, cause I think of some things late.

Several of the guys have had both the 60[which came first unlike the chicken} & the 46. It seems to me those guys have come to like them both . Here on this thread we are dedicated to the advancement of airframe structure test with our UCD's by adding outrageous engines and torquing the heck out of our servos, of course this is when we hit our high rates. So currently I'm flying the 46 but I'd like to pick up a 60 some time.

Hope I've helped, SPUDS out.......

Spud,

Now that I've replaced the 50 on my UCD with a 91 I'm looking for a new plane to drop that 50 into. I thought that Chapman cap might be a good choice. I need a good all around sport flyer that will look good in patterns. Do you think you're underpowered with the 46 on there?

Thanks - v_twin1k

Hey V-twin,
I took the 70 4C out of my UCD & put in the CAP. I then took the 90 out of my Stuka and placed in the UCD. I really like 4 cycles. The 70 is great in the CAP & the 90 just has so much extra get me out of here power that its great on the UCD. I like verticle flight so the 50 would give you great performance but just no extended verticle line.

Hope it helps.....SPUD37 is of high left......

Wow, I just went to lunch to buy a camera and about 20 posts are made. This must be the hottest thread on the forum. Well that just tells you how fun the UCDs are.
Someone asked about a Funtana. It's an old issue I don't care to revisit. Just suffice it to say that is a bad airplane. Go to post 1986 of this forum to see my comments. It's a shame to junk up this forum with Funtana comments.
I can do a flat spin and even told how to do it in an earlier post. I'll try to look that up and list the post number when I get a little more time.
Welcome to you new guys.
Ok, now I'm going to try and post a picture, bare with me. I purchased a camera and went home on my lunch hour and took 2 pictures. After my brief training from you guys I'll see how I do.
Thanks,
Barry

No pictures. Ok I'll try again. This is in my hobby room of my engines.
Thanks,
Barry

Another one. This is the infamous Mayhem, (pit road baby). I've almost got it completely repaired. It's amazing to me how bad they can look and yet still be repairable. I've put in the firewall, the landing gear, the stabalizer, the rudder, the right wing, the motor mount, the prop, the elevators, and etc. I've got it almost completely done. I've got to rebalance yet and put some more monokote on the wing. But I thinks she'll fly again. I've been doing this instead of flying because I'm still in the penalty box.
Thanks,
Barry

Dang it. I'll try again.
Thanks,
barry

Nice shot. Must be at least a 3.2 megapixel cam ?

Spud made a very true factoid statement when he said :
That is so true about this plane. There are no others in this weight range that can do what the UCD does. Even my buddies with the really high dollar 33% or larger planes love to bring out the UCDs for a second plane. It's just so easy to fly.
I got a newbie 17 year old started the other day for his first flight. I had a Hobbico SuperStar MKII trainer with buddybox and cord all ready to go. I just happened to bring the UCD.46 along for my own enjoyment after the lesson. The `wind came up that morning quicker than I expected and foiled the plans with the SuperStar. (Hates wind) So,,, I said , "Dude,,, your gonna learn on something a little more snappy than this old trainer. His very first flight went great. He made turns and was doing figure eights before the timer went off. I programmed the rates to about half mine are when on low in the Trainer programming section. (Futaba 7-CAP) He was learning the basics at less than half the forward speed needed by most trainers to stay airborne in winds that high.
Later after the winds died down for the day I broke out the trainer and he really blew it. Falling off in turns. Trying to digest the whole rudder aileron during a turn process most high wing trainers have. Basically ruined all the confidence he had gained earlier with the UCD.
I landed the trainer ,, fueled up the UCD and once again he started looking good again. I don't know if this is a bad thing I've done or not. And I expect to hear negative feedback from the old instructors on this one. But as the kid said himself ,,,as I had him cleaning nitro slime from the planes. "If I had to learn on that trainer again I was just going to go back to my RC cars."
Hmmmmm,,,, I hooked another one using my UCD as bait. Mauhahahaha[>:]

Hey Barry... Great job on the Mayhem... Great pics... Great cam..
Now do more pics:-).... You sure that Mayhem was broke, It looks
better than if I put a new one together...
You must use a lot of hot water huh....:-) I was wondering why YS
are always out of stock on 110's.... MMmmmm..

SO WHO SAID THE U CAN DO IS AN UGLY PLANE[>:]

Ha, just kidding Svanos, though i think its a kick *** plane myself. I am in a small club and am lucky to have the first one at the field. Maybe not for long by some of the looks it got, especially after I flew it around a bit. And landing that thing, on one of my landings it was coming in so slow i almost put my box down to go take a leak.

From what I have read on this forum if you have a 60 and a 91, and the 91 is a 4 stroke, get the 46 and put the 91 on it. I have a 46 AX and am definetely considering an upgrade. (My kids can always get student loans for collage.)

I really do like the looks of the Funtana 90, but not so much the 40 size. Barrier, was it the 40 or the 90 you hate so much.

UMMM Barry you have FIVE YS 110's and I have none You could share one, lol Nice stack of motors man! I'm going to with a ys 63 or another 82 saito once I get my boxxer built.

raideron, Yes, I'm sure the Mayhem was broke. Thanks though, if you can't tell it was fixed then I did all right. You could tell if you looked closer or if I took a better picture. But I am very pleased at how well it has repair.
I need all the hot water because that's what I'm in for buying all the YS engines. I'm not sure how I got five. Last October I didn't have any and tried to buy one. They were hard to come by but I found one, then, two, then three ...
sctcrash, My Funtana was the 90 size. I started with a Saito 150 and ended with the YS110.
Oh, and I think the UCDs are very nice looking planes. Especially the 46. I even like the Giant one. But I doubt I'll buy one. It's just too big for me. As you can see, I need to stay around a YS110 engine.
I think the camera will be fun. My first digital. And it really wasn't all that hard to post. But we'll see if I can remember how to do it again when I get home.
Thanks,
Barry

thanks Barry, i dont know what to do so im still pondering and flying(as long as im flying im ok)
WOW i go away for a day and look what happens,you could possibly go into prop sewing full time with all these newbies


welcome to all! i cant remember all ive just read and running low on response time[&:]

hey spud, nice pics(im envious) but one of those planes is for sale in the aero trader, i might buy it[8D]

alright Barry, now lets see some more pick, of you flying[X(]

SPUD37!!!!!! I GOT IT!!!!! I got my new profile foamie! This one is called a "Proudbird" It's got a 36" wingspan. I found it at a local hobby shop for 160 bucks. It came with a Himax 2812-085 brushless outrunner motor, a Castle Creations 10 amp brushless speed controller, two Hitec HS-55 feather servos and one picco micro servo of some sort, a futaba RX and it was all built up with a carbon fiber rod the length of the wing at the CG and tri stock the length of the fuse.

I bought this plane to get my grip on 3D flight before I did anything serious with my UCD. I flew it yesterday and this thing is freaking awseome! It will prolly do any kind of aerobatic thing you can throw at it......or at least what I can at the moment. I did a really good flat spin but I cant figure out just how to do an inverted flatspin. It hovers really well with the power (a little less than 1/2 throttle) but I have a hard time doing so because of all the wind. Overall I like it and I think this thing can really get my nerves callmed down when I really tear it up with the UCD.

So what do you guys think? I think everyone should get one of these. You can fly it without going to the feild. Which means not spending $$$ on outrageous gas prices, you don't have to use nitro or clean up any, and you still have just as much fun with it as you do your regular plane. I think this is a good investment to all 3D flyers to make and have as a sort of tool to their fleet of planes!

HERE ARE SOME PIX!!!!!!!!!!

Joe

Nice plane Kokamo!!!!!!!!!!

Okay guys last post for today:

The Blender which is a modified invert spin-dive strt dwn reduce pwr- start a left roll-2 rolls kick right rud-wobbles then full down ele-reduce or remove ail all together-& wahla-a flat inverted spin..........This tech is from "Backyard Flyer", they usually have some kind of maneuver each month & this one works great........I leave only about 1/3 thro on and get a very sloooooow rotation going.

SPUDS two cents.......Hope it helps..........out

Nice pictures Barry. [8D] Let's see some more.
Nice bipe Gjeffers. Very sweet looking.....[8D]
Nice foamy Kokamo.........[8D]

I finally got a chance to take the UCD out today and the flying was............................................... ... Well, NICE!!!
I only got one flight in and then everyone left to go home so I packed it up too........ Don't like to fly by myself....

On my flat spin... I go vert. until the plane stalls, Then I move all
sticks to the upper right/left corner, Then back the throttle to about
halfway.. Then slowly work the Aileron in the opposite direction and
adjusting as needed... Then start working the throttle...

kokamo... Nice plane... I think:-)... Looks to be able to stay in what
ever position you put it in.... Think you have enough control surfaces
on that baby...... Have fun:-)

Well my proflie is about done... Just a few adjustments/balance, It
came out just over 4.5#s.. Just over manf. stated weight with the
4.8v and YS 63 and T.T. 3" spinner. Won't maiden tomorrow but
maybe thru/fri.... If Gary stops this wind he's sending over:-)

Has anyone put a 1.20 in the UCD 60 size?

svanos..........I think.....well, I'm sure it has been done. There are a few select people that have both the .46 and the .60 version. This is the .46 thread. I'm sure there is some info on the UCD 60 thread here~~~~> [link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=226620&key=u%2Dcan%2Ddo%2D3d]UCD 60 thread[/link], but I'm sure someone will chime in here in the next day or so to give you an awnser.

Hope I helped. Sorry to dissapoint!

Joe