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Old 12-23-2015 | 06:36 PM
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Default I guess one could be a minority all by itself.

"Well, that's because you are an American and have American values. Too bad you and I seem to be in the minority here".


Bribing=American values? Interesting.
Old 12-23-2015 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by STEVEB
There is no doubt the multiplicity of terms is causing confusion. If it's designed to fly in the NAS, is controlled by a link from the ground, it is an UAS. Further, I do believe the FAA has already settled the issue that our RC aviating machines are indeed aircraft. This is one of the crucial issues surrounding the interpretation of Sec 336 of the 2012 FAA Modernization Act that the modeling community thought made us exempt from FAA meddling.

I care and not only that I carry a copy with me and will politely hand it to the first person that asks for "my papers"

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Originally Posted by porcia83
"Well, that's because you are an American and have American values. Too bad you and I seem to be in the minority here".


Bribing=American values? Interesting.
Provide a cite where I advocated/endorsed that, or eat it.
Old 12-23-2015 | 06:56 PM
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Default I'll take my order to go thanks, with a side of lawn ornament please.....

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Provide a cite where I advocated/endorsed that, or eat it.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/ama-...l#post12145769

Fries too....
Old 12-23-2015 | 07:04 PM
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So your eating it. Bon apetite.
Old 12-23-2015 | 07:09 PM
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Better than eatin crow...ya know?
Old 12-23-2015 | 07:54 PM
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Well I already registered ohhh so hard 3 questions , I registered Monday and what no knock on my door to see my papers lol lol lol got my number I am legal to fly any club anytime , got my card next to my new AMA card , look we are going to have to register comply !!!!
Old 12-23-2015 | 07:56 PM
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if you fight this then you are falling in the grip of the FAA to say we are all not law abiding and a bunch of rogues , we don't want or need that!!!! that could give them the right to impose more strict rules on us , think about this !!!
Old 12-23-2015 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ira d
As far as I know neither the AMA or the FAA has said exactly what that means but I think the AMA wants it to mean you have to be a AMA member I have wondered the same thing from the time I first had seen the language.
AMA is the only CBO that is accepted by the FAA they provide our safety rules that have been established and they provide our insurance , and you must belong to AMA to fly at sanctioned fields and all should belong to AMA that fly anything , we have 3 fields we fly ay and they are all about 30 to 50 min away GAMA CMJ and our private field in Ivey which you must have AMA to fly at any
Old 12-23-2015 | 08:19 PM
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This is the very reason why we have so many laws on the books that go unenforced. Good, law-abiding people stand by and let the government walk all over them with unnecessary regulations that do nothing but pad someone's pocket book. The modeling community has a proven track record for safety and we have made the FAA very aware of our position on this issue. They chose to ignore us against all reason and common sense. Now, we have no other choice but to stand up and take our modeling futures into our own hands; just like they did with CB radios in the 70's.
Old 12-23-2015 | 08:21 PM
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I haven't signed it yet so it dont apply to me" all smug like , cause come springtime your gonna have to be registered and have agreed to the 400 foot limit in the process , or be ready to cough up 250K to uncle sam when you get caught flying a UAS without registration
I won't be flying this spring, but the registration requirement will likely be pulled by then anyway.
Old 12-23-2015 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ira d
The AMA was trying to get it so you would have to be a AMA member to not be regulated by the FAA thats what the CBO language in the bill 336 was about. IMO neither the AMA nor the FAA has the right to force
anyone to join a certain org in order to fly RC or be exempt from FCC regulation.
Except for this registration the AMA has at least partially succeed in that The new NPRM for sUAV specifically excludes model airplanes.
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Not registering certainly does not exempt anyone from obeying the law.
The law requires registering of aircraft, not model airplanes, and certainly not people. FAA does not make law.
Old 12-23-2015 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by combatpigg
I think a day will come once we have been safely herded into the FAA's stewardship... they [or Congress] will decide that we need to carry a foolproof way to ensure compliance with the 400 foot rule.
The FAA can play SIMON SEZ with us whenever they please, now.
At present there is no 400 foot rule except near airports.
Old 12-23-2015 | 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by jmiles1941
Well I already registered ohhh so hard 3 questions , I registered Monday and what no knock on my door to see my papers lol lol lol got my number I am legal to fly any club anytime , got my card next to my new AMA card , look we are going to have to register comply !!!!
You did not need that registration till next time you fly after Feb, 21. Why be in such a hurry!
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
At present there is no 400 foot rule except near airports.
Unless you register and agree to their 400ft. limit on the registration page!
Old 12-23-2015 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by w0mbat
Unless you register and agree to their 400ft. limit on the registration page!
That has no real authority. Read page 173 of the registration NPRM. <Click for NPRM
Old 12-23-2015 | 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by cj_rumley
So your eating it. Bon apetite.
The truth is that the AMA did everything they possibly could [and then some] to secure our frequencies and there is nothing wrong with being thankful for that.
Trying to make it sound like you endorse bribery, but HE never would under any circumstances is pathetic.
I'll bet if his Mother was locked up in a Mexican jail he would re-think his sanctimonious stance on bribery without blinking.
Old 12-23-2015 | 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jmiles1941
Well I already registered ohhh so hard 3 questions , I registered Monday and what no knock on my door to see my papers lol lol lol got my number I am legal to fly any club anytime , got my card next to my new AMA card , look we are going to have to register comply !!!!
Good boy! Pat yourself on the back.
Old 12-24-2015 | 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
At present there is no 400 foot rule except near airports.
And every single time you keep posting this incorrect information , I WILL be here to post the rebuttal !

Sport , first off , you said some months ago that your not presently flying model aircraft . You are here for the talking points only . No problem , I know of NO requirement to be a "presently active flyer" to post to RCU .

BUT !

Common courtesy to the folks who read these posts is to provide the TRUTH , not shrouded in your whimsy , conjecture , and flat out purposeful misinterpretation of the statute as presently written !

You , telling people your LIE about the 400 foot limit very well COULD cause someone who reads that lie to get themselves in a whole world of trouble should something bad happen at 8 or 9 hundred feet . The person involved will , naturally , point out YOUR dozens of posts where you proclaim as fact that the 400 foot limit doesn't exist . Now's your chance to go getting all lawyer here on me , BUT , you damned well know that encouraging folks to break a law , when you have been told repeatedly here that your wrong and so there is proof that you've been informed of your flawed position , will most certainly put you in the same type of risk as one who yells "FIRE !" in a crowded theater when no fire exists . You are , by "playing expert" with something you obviously haven't researched very well , knowingly enticing others to commit a crime (and YES Sport , knowingly disobeying ANY federal agency is a crime , whether you abhor that agency or not !)

Continue to spread your lie at your own peril , this post will serve notice of you having been informed of your "mistake" , now it's up to you to knock off the foolishness and stop giving out false info .


To be continued , I'm sure ........
Old 12-24-2015 | 04:42 AM
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Why would any AMA member register before actually required. Is it just to save $5.00?


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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
I won't be flying this spring, but the registration requirement will likely be pulled by then anyway.
You base that on what? Can't say it's impossible, but extremely unlikely.
Old 12-24-2015 | 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by w0mbat
Unless you register and agree to their 400ft. limit on the registration page!
That bothers me also and am surprised there's not more commenting on that..

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Originally Posted by combatpigg
The truth is that the AMA did everything they possibly could [and then some] to secure our frequencies and there is nothing wrong with being thankful for that.
Trying to make it sound like you endorse bribery, but HE never would under any circumstances is pathetic.
I'll bet if his Mother was locked up in a Mexican jail he would re-think his sanctimonious stance on bribery without blinking.
I'm sure your partner appreciates you rushing in to have his back and defend the position he was so clearly unable to do. They were his own words, either intentional, or poorly crafted, and ones he didn't deny or clarify, perhaps he's left that to you now. Anyhoo...the better news is that it appears you found something positive about the AMA, even if it was in the past.


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