Whoa! I`ll have you know that my poop stinks just fine!

Yep , I've cleared out the mens room of a biker bar with mine ... For real .... !

https://www.tc.gc.ca/en/services/avi...ml#regulations

prop might want to look real close at the new rules here.
that no flammable materials bit might impact both fuel powered and electric model flight.

Then you must take that up with your government the AMA is only looking out for the best interest of its members. If anything it paves the way for another CBO to ask for an exemption.

Since you have no use for the AMA start your own CBO and get recognised. Or are you attempting to insinuate that even though you cannot stand the AMA or how it operates or spends its members money that they spend money representing your interests even though you refuse to be a member. I don't think any of the members would find that fiscally responsible.

If all the money they spent represented the members then it wouldn't be an issue to anyone.
Since some of the members of the board think that spending money on things that don't represent the members(i.e. building an indoor flying facility in Muncie) is acceptable, there is an issue with fiscal responsibility

I am quite aware of the regs that were released in Canada the other day. I am quite aware of the exemptions or waivers being worked on that should be in effect prior to the 6 month inauguration of the new regs. We have been assured of that carve out for MAAC members operating at MAAC fields so I am not too worried.

If you bothered to look at our two organizations MAAC and AMA you would see that in many ways things are very similar. As for the FAA and Transport Canada again they are closely aligned. In fact across the globe internationally they cannot be so different that you could not safely fly from one country to another.

This drone, RPAS what ever you wish to call it may eventually end up the same/similar across the globe because it will affect all civil aviation.

Here is the document released in Canada Canada Gazette, Part 2, Volume 153, Number 1:Â Regulations Amending the Canadian Aviation Regulations (Remotely Piloted Aircraft Systems) and if you scroll down to about the last quarter under the title “Regulatory Cooperation” it touches on international cooperation.

Again your not a member why should it concern you????????

If I were you I would be more concerned with how to go about getting that same waiver. Easiest way would be to join the AMA but then you'd have to fly within the safety code. Even members who choose to fly outside the safety code will find they are not covered by the waiver and fall back to the all encompassing regs.

Obviously, you didn't read what I posted. Let me sum it up for you:
1) The AMA spends money to help a club in financial need is a good thing
2) The AMA spending milllions on a facility in Muncie that will rarely if ever be used and has no way of generating an income to pay for itself is a bad thing
Seems to me that this should be a no brainer but, obviously, it apparently isn't. Once again, my being a member or not is meaningless. This comes down to what is the best use of AMA member's dues and what isn't

A million dollar facility that might get used a few times over a three month period doesn't sound fiscally sound to me. I guess you all have been so programmed to believe the powers that be in Muncie can't be wrong that you can't see how misguided their policies and plans are. Why don't you ask Muncie how the indoor flying facility will be used for the other nine months of the year when they aren't hosting their few summer events and see what they say

A few times? It's packed for weeks on end due to the Nats, IRCHA etc.

I remember when the move to Muncie was first proposed. Yes, I was a member then. Lots of arguing in the magazines over whether it was a good idea or not. I want to say the majority of members were against the move but I could be wrong. The only argument for the move I agreed with was the anticipated reduction of overhead costs. But looking at the numbers today, that reduction was temporary at best.

From a business standpoint the AMA has been mis-managed for decades. Numbers don't lie. Overhead spending has increased while revenue has decreased. Anyone who can't see the writing on that wall is an idiot. Anyone who ignores it in favor of business as usual is a fool. Or a crook.

I'm called a hater for trying to bring attention to the issues. So be it. If I'm such a hater than you "lovers" can go ahead and ignore the issues. And together we can watch what the future brings to the AMA.

So how about some actual numbers of usage? Split between locals and non-locals. Let's see what the numbers are?

I know Muncie has been asked this before but they remain...........................silent.

And rather than argue the facts, you have to attack individuals. But like you said, you don't care! And that's the difference between us. I, the hater, do care!

IRCHA is between 700 and 1100 pilots that attend for a several days to a week from all over the country and several other countries.

That's just registered pilots, not wives, kids, girlfriends etc.

For starters I'd say stick with just registered pilots. After all, that's the reason everyone else is there. And we'd need a counting of all events.

And this leads us to another category. Event usage vs non-event usage. No doubt this has the potential to grow considerably. But any CEO worth their salt knows they need to be prepared to justify corporate facility usage. Efficient use of facilities goes a long way towards controlling overhead.

If you had read the new FAA Re-authorization Act you would see where the FAA has been charged with producing over time a number of things with regard to sUAS. While the new act did officially revoke section 336, the new rules I expect will make that functionally true.

And the AMA with it's efforts to leverage the law to require mandatory CBO membership (with the AMA being the only CBO) seems to have fallen by the way side. So everyone will be flying under the same rules. What a concept!

Okay, that just reinforces my point. 700 to 1100 pilots for up to a week. What about the other 51 weeks in the year? Since "Taj Muncie" has been asked more than once for usage figures and refuses to give then, BY AN REGISTERED AMA MEMBER NO LESS, that tells me that the rest of the year is pretty dead. I see thousands of dollars being wasted every year on a facility that appears to be normally deserted.
#1 So are you
#2 You're afraid that, if they actually gave you an answer that all the facts and figures Franklin has posted and arguments against the AMA with be proven correct. Or is it you a re just another "sheeple" that will just do as he's told?
#3 Far from it actually. I've gotten in trouble more than once because I didn't fall into a program or, like you, repeat the program's propaganda because that's what the program says is true. I checked and verified the given facts and, if they didn't jive with the program, I would put out what I found instead. As far as Franklin's threads go, you haven't come up with anything that can be verified to prove him wrong, even though he's repeatedly posted links to his sources. I think Michael J. Fox's dialog in this video kind of illustrates my point, starting at about the 2:00 mark:

And that would be something interesting. AMA has these facilities. How much does it cost to keep them vs the revenue they bring in?

OR, what is the AMA afraid such figures might show?

In truth, I seriously doubt the AMA has such figures and would have to create the software report to produce them. Assuming their financials are automated.

As I have said before if you’re not a creditor, supplier, member or have business before the AMA the financials and day to day running of the corporation is none of your or my business and no one should care one iota what your opinion is.



When you pontificate that all members are being taken advantage of and their money being mishandled who gave you the authority to speak on their behalf. How did you come to represent the views of the membership when you yourself are not a member?



If there were anything illegal I am sure guys like Franklin would be all over it like a hobo on a ham sandwich.



I believe your constitution delves into rights not privileges. You might want to look up the difference on Google.

Rights are yours by birth and even they can be removed. Martial Law suspends certain rights and the right to bare arms is suspended for felons.



On the other hand privileges such as driving a car, flying a full size plane, flying models etc. are all privileges and can be suspended/changed without infringing on any of your rights.



Last post on the subject!!!!!!!

This is what I see happening (my opinion only) The FAA comes out with a baseline set of rules for everyone. (this is the simplest way to get things done, no multiple categories).

The FAA reserves the right to grant waivers to the general rules. Remember this is a privilege not a right. The AMA petitions the FAA for a waiver for its members only. This waiver is granted after the FAA and AMA agree on mode and area of operations.

Results are simple, except for AMA members all others will have to adhere to the baseline set of rules or be in violation and be held accountable. Being an AMA member is not a free ride either. If you operate outside of the AMA guidelines you to will have to follow the baseline rules.

If lucky the non AMA flyer may be able to use the waiver if he can prove he is compliance with AMA safety guidelines.



Let’s see how close my opinion is to the final draft.

They may not have those figures, which is all they would really need to say. Giving a list of major events held at the site the previous year would also give a ballpark idea of usage. The fact they have either ignored the request or refused to answer it says more than either of the other two options would have in that the usage probably doesn't come close to meeting what was originally envisioned when the site was established.
One thing that does stick out, to me anyway, is the statement made by Speed, that being " If I remember correctly the main reason for the move to Muncie was to have a site for the Nats. The Nats is a big deal, maybe not to you but then again not being a member your not invited to participate." has me questioning why it was needed to begin with.
Both NAMBA and IMPBA hold national events each year, without the need for an organization owned site with facilities. Since both organization's events require bodies of water large enough to allow for a race course at least 130 feet wide and at least 250 feet long to meet the minimum course size requirements, that means planning must be started at least a year in advance. Near by hotels and campgrounds, food and transportation all have to be taken into account. An even larger event is the National Square and Folk Dance Convention that, just like the boating nationals, moves around the country each year. This internationally attended event routinely has a minimum of 3500 active participants but has had in excess of 25,000 at times. Venues chosen to host this event have to have multiple halls large enough to have several hundred dancers able to comfortably dance with at least two halls capable of allowing several thousand dancers at once. Once again, food, lodging and transportation must be capable of handling the crowds of people, as well as vendors that set up stores on site. The fact that these three organizations can hold large events in different parts of the country every year and the AMA can't kind of shows the AMA isn't as progressive as it thinks it is