HMA......

Hoss Model Aviation Inc.

Well at that point the AMA would have no lobbying power for us as a 2000 member national organization would not even catch the attention of the security guard at the door of congress let alone the congressman's secratarie's boyfreind's mistress's cat that we get now.

My club is small and designed to be small. Most of the membership consists of 60-70 yr old retirees who do not want growth (change) the rest are mostly military and a few local civilians. We have a membership cap of 35 adult members and 5 youth slots (only one of which is filled).

You really don't hafta have a lobbying bunch to stay afloat.

Look at us CB'ers, millions of us an the govt could care less what we do....almost....

I hate to tell you but as a Non-profit org AMA is not allowed to lobby for us. Now, FWIW USAMA can.

Think about it Do CB'ers have the potential to fly in FAA controled airspace ?

No but they could easily overcome other forms of vital "regulated air waves" communications...they don't often but I guess you could come up with a hypothetical that could bring our nation to its knees if you wanted...some here have good practice at that...maybe they'll chime in.

No, but they can spew garbage over the public airwaves in FCC Space pretty much scott free for anybody to hear in the US during times of Skip. Thats why I do alot of my talking on my Ham radios instead.

And if you are a ham operator, don't try to tell me how great the arrl is either. They are just another $ grubbing operation that started out as a good thing just like ama did years ago.


Like I said earlier somewhere here, when orgs get so big, they are just a festering pimple of greed. Its held true over the years for about all of'em. Look at the arrp, they sided up with obammy HC so they could sell more ins. Thats why they have just lost 150,000 members in the last few months.

Nowdays, the business motto is "Screw the customer, Get the buck"

Incase somebody thinks I'm not telling the truth

http://www.thefoxnation.com/aarp/201...arp-membership

CBers can only screw up other CBers and their neighbors TVs.

Apparently you haven't been around cb's for awhile. Mine will come over the ol ladys hair dryer if it's plugged in, an it is a dead stock Ranger RCI2995DX

They have cb keydowns back east an down south an the fcc has never bothered messin' with them for all these years.


Its nothing to see a big block (454) chevy suburban with 5-7 Lexidyne alternators (like they use on trains) putting out enough juice to run linears that are putting out right at 70,000 watts. Now, would you wanna stand close to something lke that? On channel 6 on the cb you can usually hear these guys anywhere in the western hemisphere about anytime of the day. Heck, most of'em are running several thou. watts from their house at any given time.
A lot of cb'ers are running enough power in mobiles nowdays to screw up traffic lites close to'em when they are talking.


By the way, if you wanna get in the shootout with them, you can buy a Davemade Amp that deadkeys 30kw an swings to 84kw http://www.davemade.com/mobile.htm

Ck this link out below if ya don't believe me, I have been to'em a few years back


http://www.bigradios.com/avis/

You are very right Ronnie

Yep, a mobile unit pushing 5000 watts can talk over some PA systems...but even more to the point, CBers could and often do interfere with a lot of things but the reality is they have done very well considering they are virtually unregulated and the few rules they routinely break hasn't amounted to much...Model aviation would likely fair at least as well…usually there is a built in deterrent for taking chances with your pride and joy…we truly are a careful bunch by every comparison I can think of right now.

My 80 watt Galaxy mobile radio stock from the factory comes over the intercom at wally world where the wife works...(embarrased her) an at the doctors office intercoms also....Nurse come out to the truck an ask me to quit talking on their intercom....haha, I didn't know it

Thank you! Now I understand you guys a lot better. When it comes to respecting other peoples rights or opinions, obeying laws and safety rules that are meant to protect you and others, none of that applies to you. CBs are supposed to be limited to 5 watts input power but putting a linear amp on there and boosting it to umpteen thousand killowatts is all you care about, not that it might cause other people problems. And since the groups who are supposed to enforce the rules don't have the time or manpower then it must be OK to do what you want. It puts a whole new light on your attitude towards the AMA. Again, thank you.

well skippy:
ya just gotta remember.
in the immortal words of Jesse Duke: " it is only illegal, iffn ya get caught."

Perhaps the most spot-on observation I have read on this forum in a while.

Yea right... Heck, I have never even owned a CB radio...but I see you guys already got the rope. LOL

But if you work at it some you could probably come up with a scenario where CBers could destroy the world as we know it...you seem pretty good at stuff like that to me. Might make a prime time made for television movie of the week...on the lifetime channel LOL


Anyway, my point...that you guys are so hell bent to construe otherwise...is that model aviators are normally, overall a very careful bunch of guys…more careful than just about any endeavor I know of...there is at least one very good reason why...anyone want to take a guess why???


Anyway, if we were going to leave a particular hobby unregulated, I have every confidence model aviation would fair better than most any other I can think of…

Hmm. Full scale pilots have a lot of incentive to be careful. They're regulated.
Car drivers.
Boat drivers.
Gun owners.
All regulated.
Really, based on the carnage I've witnessed, I'd say model airplane flyers are in general not nearly as careful as they could be.
Not that I'm in favor of any more regulation for us, in fact, I'm very much against it.
I just think your point doesn't hold much water.

Well let's bring this to a point. Excluding "gun owners" as that is certainly out of context here and isn't necessarily an activity and will spur another debate...Do you believe modelers would fair better than the other activities you cite if all were unregulated?

I'll go ahead and give my answer. Yes...no doubt in my mind whatsoever.

Thats 4 watts for your information, but at the right conditions it will also talk all over the U.S.

Its at least nice to know that there are perfectionists out there like you flying their planes by the rules every time....
Let me commend you for making it this far in life with perfection.

LOL....not much to learn here. Having an AMA thread in RCU is the equivalent of the LaBrea tar pits. Much is said, yet nothing is ever settled. Always full of posturing, insults, flaming, belittling, expressing of opinions because they have the right to, then attacking others for having a different opinion.

Once you've spent time in the AMA threads you'll see some names that show up over and over. For 58 bucks a year you wouldn't think anybody with a lick of sense would spend as much time as they do, but indeed...that is EXACTLY what they do.

If anything ....ANYTHING....had ever come of it, then I could see it. But nothing changes.

Is your time is worth something? If it is, you're in the wrong place, because it's wasted here. But, as I've said before...and as I'll say again...it keeps most of the worst recreational arguers out of the REST of RCU for the most part, so inasmuch as that is true, it provides a service to us...

LOL.....This is like the time loop they got trapped in on those Star Trek episodes! Round and round.....

Duplicate posts in 2 different threads?....wow, even I ain't that lazy.

Maybe I figured it out. This is the eposode of the "Trouble with tribbles"...before you know it they are everywhere...

Gun owners shoot and hunt. That's not an activity? Hmm.

Your point was specifically that model airplane flyers are,as a group, inherently more careful than other people due to the investment in equipment. I say BS.
If you want to modify your point to model airplane flying as an activity is statistically safer than, say, full scale flying, well, duh.
And if model flying were completely unregulated, at the club level, as well as geographically (as in you can fly your 25 lb. 3-d model in your backyard in any city, any timeand don't tell me some wouldn't try it), then, well, draw your own conclusions.

Toolman, you got that right...I once talked to Alaska on a barefoot Black Faced Johnson(sp)... Have you ever seen one of those?

I am a gun owner and rarely shoot and haven't hunted in over 30 years...so no point trying to turn gun ownership into an activity per say.


I am not sure what your point is but model aviation is virtually unregulated now...and guys aren't flying 35% in there back yard often enough to cause concerns but be that as it may, flying large scale airplanes in our backyards here isn’t that uncommon and certainly hasn't caused any problems that I know of. But believe whatever makes you feel good.