Why the AMA is not growing...........
09-23-2010 | 12:21 PM
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RE: Why the AMA is not growing...........
ORIGINAL: fireman350
nothing like getting you day started laying out an old fogie with a stiff right hook but to really like you need to run a old lady and her walker out with a firm clothes line finished by spiking her purse and doing a little end zone dance
YOU GUYS HAVE ISSUES
I like it
lmao
nothing like getting you day started laying out an old fogie with a stiff right hook but to really like you need to run a old lady and her walker out with a firm clothes line finished by spiking her purse and doing a little end zone dance
YOU GUYS HAVE ISSUES
I like it
lmao
09-23-2010 | 01:01 PM
#1977
RE: Why the AMA is not growing...........
The AMA is not going to grow, it is going to have to seriously downsize. The model hobby has just changed too much to support it in the style it has become accustomed to. That's neither good nor bad, that's just how it is and they are going to have to deal with it. Many of the things the AMA offered are now pretty much irrelevant. Members will probably be increasingly hard to come by. Just like many businesses that were once profitable in the model field have failed or been taken over, AMA is the same way. It has to fulfill a need to exist, and that need isn't as great. It reminds me of all the kit manufacturers that have gone out of business or been taken over. The new tower catalog only has a dozen or so kits, and very few Goldberg kits. Those kits were very popular once. There must not be a great market for that stuff any more. AMA sells magazines, plans and insurance mostly. Must not be that great a market for that either. The internet takes the place of magazines, and many of the planes sold today, electrics and park flyers, don't seem all that dangerous and are not going to motivate people to get insurance for. So the times they are a changin . . .
09-23-2010 | 01:36 PM
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ORIGINAL: snowmaker
There is a serious epidemic of old hats and jerk offs that need to feel power unto themselves (as they dictate and rule over the new comers). I can't stand those folks. Many of them have caused crashes by hovering over new pilots with their big mouths (and big stomachs). I've personally observe a guy punch one of these old hats in the mouth after his plane crashed. Can't say i felt sorry for his broken nose. :-).
There should be a way to train the old hats on proper ettiquette (sp?) and how not to offend folks, while at the same time enforcing airfield rules.
''gets off of soapbox''
There is a serious epidemic of old hats and jerk offs that need to feel power unto themselves (as they dictate and rule over the new comers). I can't stand those folks. Many of them have caused crashes by hovering over new pilots with their big mouths (and big stomachs). I've personally observe a guy punch one of these old hats in the mouth after his plane crashed. Can't say i felt sorry for his broken nose. :-).
There should be a way to train the old hats on proper ettiquette (sp?) and how not to offend folks, while at the same time enforcing airfield rules.
''gets off of soapbox''
09-23-2010 | 01:56 PM
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laying out an old fogie with a stiff right hook but to really like you need to run a old lady and her walker out with a firm clothes line finished by spiking her purse and doing a little end zone dance
I thought they took that one down
09-23-2010 | 01:59 PM
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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy
oh, you saw that YouTube too
I thought they took that one down
laying out an old fogie with a stiff right hook but to really like you need to run a old lady and her walker out with a firm clothes line finished by spiking her purse and doing a little end zone dance
I thought they took that one down
09-23-2010 | 09:39 PM
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LOWER COSTS!
When the plane you're flying cost as much as the insurance to fly it, it ought to drive a point home that the cost is too high. I fly gas as well as electric and everyone knows the damage that can be ensued from a gas plane versus an electric. This is not to say that electrics can not hurt people as we know that the LIPO planes have come a long way and can equal their gas counterparts in size. However, in terms of comparing a starter glow plane versus a starter electric plane, we have a much lighter craft that ought to be able to carry less liability although I doubt anyone is going to offer a tiered insurance plan for RC anything.
The next consideration ought to be making the magazine optional. In all fairness what is the cost of the insurance versus the cost of the magazine? About 75% magazine and 25% insurance? There was a thread somewhere out there about feelings of who would take an insurance only program. Never heard back on that one. As for trial membership, this was offered and probably is still offered. It is a good way to let people get thier feet wet. Again by lowering costs...
Does the AMA really care that the numbers are not growing or that they may be missing newer potential enrollees? I think if anyone in the AMA were really concerned they would take some action and make some changes.
Andy F.
When the plane you're flying cost as much as the insurance to fly it, it ought to drive a point home that the cost is too high. I fly gas as well as electric and everyone knows the damage that can be ensued from a gas plane versus an electric. This is not to say that electrics can not hurt people as we know that the LIPO planes have come a long way and can equal their gas counterparts in size. However, in terms of comparing a starter glow plane versus a starter electric plane, we have a much lighter craft that ought to be able to carry less liability although I doubt anyone is going to offer a tiered insurance plan for RC anything.
The next consideration ought to be making the magazine optional. In all fairness what is the cost of the insurance versus the cost of the magazine? About 75% magazine and 25% insurance? There was a thread somewhere out there about feelings of who would take an insurance only program. Never heard back on that one. As for trial membership, this was offered and probably is still offered. It is a good way to let people get thier feet wet. Again by lowering costs...
Does the AMA really care that the numbers are not growing or that they may be missing newer potential enrollees? I think if anyone in the AMA were really concerned they would take some action and make some changes.
Andy F.
09-23-2010 | 09:56 PM
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RE: Why the AMA is not growing...........
The actual cost of the AMA insurance is about $8 per member. That is a small portiion of the dues. Important, but actually one of the smallest of the AMAs expenses.
09-24-2010 | 04:11 AM
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ORIGINAL: afioretti
LOWER COSTS!
When the plane you're flying cost as much as the insurance to fly it, it ought to drive a point home that the cost is too high. I fly gas as well as electric and everyone knows the damage that can be ensued from a gas plane versus an electric. This is not to say that electrics can not hurt people as we know that the LIPO planes have come a long way and can equal their gas counterparts in size. However, in terms of comparing a starter glow plane versus a starter electric plane, we have a much lighter craft that ought to be able to carry less liability although I doubt anyone is going to offer a tiered insurance plan for RC anything.
The next consideration ought to be making the magazine optional. In all fairness what is the cost of the insurance versus the cost of the magazine? About 75% magazine and 25% insurance? There was a thread somewhere out there about feelings of who would take an insurance only program. Never heard back on that one. As for trial membership, this was offered and probably is still offered. It is a good way to let people get thier feet wet. Again by lowering costs...
Does the AMA really care that the numbers are not growing or that they may be missing newer potential enrollees? I think if anyone in the AMA were really concerned they would take some action and make some changes.
Andy F.
LOWER COSTS!
When the plane you're flying cost as much as the insurance to fly it, it ought to drive a point home that the cost is too high. I fly gas as well as electric and everyone knows the damage that can be ensued from a gas plane versus an electric. This is not to say that electrics can not hurt people as we know that the LIPO planes have come a long way and can equal their gas counterparts in size. However, in terms of comparing a starter glow plane versus a starter electric plane, we have a much lighter craft that ought to be able to carry less liability although I doubt anyone is going to offer a tiered insurance plan for RC anything.
The next consideration ought to be making the magazine optional. In all fairness what is the cost of the insurance versus the cost of the magazine? About 75% magazine and 25% insurance? There was a thread somewhere out there about feelings of who would take an insurance only program. Never heard back on that one. As for trial membership, this was offered and probably is still offered. It is a good way to let people get thier feet wet. Again by lowering costs...
Does the AMA really care that the numbers are not growing or that they may be missing newer potential enrollees? I think if anyone in the AMA were really concerned they would take some action and make some changes.
Andy F.
It could appear that AMA doesn't really care that the numbers are not growing. Then again, it could be that there really is nothing they or anyone can do to stop this dedine in membership. This thread and the other one thread (Solutions to AMA's membership decline) provides proof that there is no solution.
If it is true that AMA is us, then there are several schools of thought.
1. Some of us (AMA) don't think there is a lack of growth problem.
2, Some of us (AMA) don't want to be bothered.
3. Some of us (AMA) just want to argue and reject any ideas.
4. Some of us (AMA) feel growth is the AMA's job and not our's. Oops
5. Some of us (AMA) feel there is no solution.
6. Some of us (AMA) really doesn't want AMA to grow.
Fliers1
09-24-2010 | 05:26 AM
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ORIGINAL: dbcisco
The actual cost of the AMA insurance is about $8 per member. That is a small portiion of the dues. Important, but actually one of the smallest of the AMAs expenses.
The actual cost of the AMA insurance is about $8 per member. That is a small portiion of the dues. Important, but actually one of the smallest of the AMAs expenses.
I would even be willing to pay 20$ annually for the insurance if it did what I need it to do, if not, it is of no use to me. This reminds me of things much like other insurance and garb we do not need that is sort of forced on us these days.
BTW, the extra 12$ would handle all administration issues with the policy.
09-24-2010 | 06:52 AM
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you ever see the winners and losers saying sometimes posted on walls of work places.... those that prevail and why, those that sit around and mock any idea... it is really a lesson in human dynamics in a sense. I just don't like painting something a different color than it is...
Andy
Andy
09-24-2010 | 08:05 AM
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You ever see locals argue with the thruway authorities over removing toll plazas because they are left in 30 years after they paid for the road? Unless you live in a state where there are no tolls (there are a few) well then most know what I am talking about. Ripen someone's taste buds with the taste of money and it becomes more and more difficult to stop.
I would be curious to hear what the cost of the magazine/insurance was when this all started.
I would be curious to hear what the cost of the magazine/insurance was when this all started.
09-24-2010 | 08:09 AM
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ORIGINAL: Luchnia
So the 50 extra dollars is for what...promoting science and education about RC? Did you get that insurance cost info from AMA docs, if so something smells fishy.
I would even be willing to pay 20$ annually for the insurance if it did what I need it to do, if not, it is of no use to me. This reminds me of things much like other insurance and garb we do not need that is sort of forced on us these days.
BTW, the extra 12$ would handle all administration issues with the policy.
So the 50 extra dollars is for what...promoting science and education about RC? Did you get that insurance cost info from AMA docs, if so something smells fishy.
I would even be willing to pay 20$ annually for the insurance if it did what I need it to do, if not, it is of no use to me. This reminds me of things much like other insurance and garb we do not need that is sort of forced on us these days.
BTW, the extra 12$ would handle all administration issues with the policy.
09-24-2010 | 08:20 AM
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Did you get that insurance cost info from AMA docs, if so something smells fishy.
Did you get that insurance cost info from AMA docs, if so something smells fishy.
09-24-2010 | 08:53 AM
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I just renewed my dues ,I think i will send another 58 bucks just to help the ama out. joe
I just renewed my dues ,I think i will send another 58 bucks just to help the ama out. joe
09-24-2010 | 09:11 AM
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ORIGINAL: joebahl
IF it means letting ama go under ,i think there is alot like me that would stand up like men and do the same. I do believe usama would be great for you to sisco. joe
IF it means letting ama go under ,i think there is alot like me that would stand up like men and do the same. I do believe usama would be great for you to sisco. joe
09-24-2010 | 11:31 AM
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ORIGINAL: afioretti
You ever see locals argue with the thruway authorities over removing toll plazas because they are left in 30 years after they paid for the road? Unless you live in a state where there are no tolls (there are a few) well then most know what I am talking about. Ripen someone's taste buds with the taste of money and it becomes more and more difficult to stop.
I would be curious to hear what the cost of the magazine/insurance was when this all started.
You ever see locals argue with the thruway authorities over removing toll plazas because they are left in 30 years after they paid for the road? Unless you live in a state where there are no tolls (there are a few) well then most know what I am talking about. Ripen someone's taste buds with the taste of money and it becomes more and more difficult to stop.
I would be curious to hear what the cost of the magazine/insurance was when this all started.
Now, my question is how come they did not refund the stolen money to the people that used the tollway? Some say it was not stolen from us, I say how was it not stolen? You can rob a man without a gun, it happens every day. Greedy money grubbers!
Man you struck a real nerve with this one [:'(]
I hope and pray the AMA and any other orgs do not travel down this road (pun intended)
09-24-2010 | 11:33 AM
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ORIGINAL: joebahl
IF it means letting ama go under ,i think there is alot like me that would stand up like men and do the same. I do believe usama would be great for you to sisco. joe
IF it means letting ama go under ,i think there is alot like me that would stand up like men and do the same. I do believe usama would be great for you to sisco. joe
09-24-2010 | 11:35 AM
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ORIGINAL: dbcisco
Govt's do not ''steal'', it is ''sanctioned extortion''.
Govt's do not ''steal'', it is ''sanctioned extortion''.
09-24-2010 | 11:56 AM
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ORIGINAL: afioretti
money what money... Those are your hard earned road dollars at work
money what money... Those are your hard earned road dollars at work
