Okay, guys. Let's try this one again, and please refrain from the name calling, and flying insults that we are so famous (infamous) for. Bubba is watching, and he won't let us get away with too much.

As for the AMA, Like the organization, do think that maybe they need to move with the times a little faster than they do, but nonetheless they are a decent organization. Certainly NOT perfect but decent. day to day as a club president I have no complaints about the AMA.

EDIT: I can take a good just just as well as the next person, but I did have to edit this out, sorry

I have to agree with SSRCCPREZ's 3rd paragraph.

I'm not all that thrilled with what has transpired from
time to time but I guess for the most part AMA does
seem to work for me.

I send in the money,,,,,,,and then go flying. Easy and fun.

To all those who are making an "honest" effort to have a positive
impact to aero modeling, I applaud your efforts. Go for it.

Regards
Roby

HAHAHA!! Thanks for the laugh.

I don't know why Bubbagump just edit Sticks and Ulmers posts so we could just keep yapping about how much the AMA doesn't jump high enough for those two.

I'm still gonna work on my HoneyTarragon glaze for the NATs RoadShow & BBQ....
I dont have a hope in heck of winning any Control Line Event, but I have a shot at the Pork Roast/Chops Event when it come to the Regional SuperField near me some year.

How many Non-Members attended the Nats in 05 ?
Or some of the numbers from the State Championships (if we had them)?
Wouldn't it be nice to bring in money from Non-Members with showy events... bigtime attendence figures from major metro areas nearby rather than hoping someone from LA or NY will pack up the family & fly to Muncie just to watch RC when they dont fly themselves (non-member general pop)




wow, what a handy feature- the Red Hand Block
Even comes with a easy Click To Unblock User, not that I'm gonna need it

The NATs RoadShow & BBQ should be more like a county fair. Since we already have the demolition derby(aka combat) we could have pin the tail on the plane and throw darts at Dave Brown.(jk about that one) Other activities may include "Kiss the LiPo", Monokote contest, a nightly "country/gospel" concert where we can fly foamies to accentuate the event, "dip the tail in the barrel", and finally a petting zoo/aka museum.

Ok, seriously, the AMA does have problems and we need someone to fix them. Many folks have attempted, but some have given up. IMO, the whole AMA structure needs to be reworked, but for that to happen, we do need people in the AMA who are willing to stick it out for change. We need term limits for the EC and president. Who wants to run? I'm obligated to other commitments at this time, so I can't run for anything, but I will support anyone who I think will be better than what we have. Why not run for President? (hint hint! YNOT! Run for President!![8D]) Hoss, how many votes would you need to win in D VIII? STL, how about being a PR guy and attacking DB?(oh no wait, there's no need)

Let's face it, with the AMA living in yesteryear, there will not be any growth no matter how many DVD's they give me.[X(][:'(] Muncie needs some fresh air. I can smell it here in Virginia. IF anyone wants to run against Bliss, I'll be more than happy to do all that I can locally. Maybe these officials have figured something out. If they want to stay in office, then they should just be sitting on their aged "rear quarters" so that folks aren't complaining that much about it and have no reason to vote. Then they come up with this brilliant idea to get my non-voting generation into the AMA so that they will get more money, little hassle, and more security from those who might vote.


Also, MA needs a 3D heli column!


50%

edited to expand an idea

Did anyone read this in the Joe Nall review?

http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/a...article_id=724

Is this a joke? Can someone confirm this? This is really his idea of a joint venture, to team up withe AARP? The smart move would be to work the opposite end of the age spectrum, but luckily this steers him clear of my territory.

Bubbajump, now that's a good one.

I added a sticky to this thread which pretty much explains what is going to happen

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=4408560

And this post from Plane Insane says it all

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=1804969

So that being said, I have been asked to do what is needed to get this forum on track and keep it there within the rules of moderation and the rules of posting.

OK, on the AARP thing, If the average age is truly that, then it makes good sense to do something like that. But, I have to agree that you cannot forget the younger people who will continue to help this hobby grow.

I do not have an answer or opinion on how to go about that but 50%'s idea does sound like a ton of fun and would most likely get the "younger crowd" involved

lol Bubba! You've become addicted to this forum.[sm=lol.gif][sm=lol.gif][sm=lol.gif][sm=lol.gif][sm=drowning.gif][sm=surprised.gif][sm=sunsmiley.gif][sm=tired.gif][sm=lol.gif][sm=lol.gif][sm=lol.gif][sm=lol.gif]

I am no longer an AARP member. Was in the past, but I wrote them a proposal to do an article on the Control Line Vintage Stunt Contest held every March in Tucson. It is one of the major concentrations of AARP and potential AARP members on the planet. I made a pretty good presentation, but they were not interested; so I quit their organization in high dungeon and disgust.[>:]

So far as getting young people into model aviation. I would go after home schoolers. They have an organization and network, so can be found. Those parents are dedicated to doing for their kids, their kids do not have the rigidly organized schedule of extra-curricular activities, and the parents are on the look out for good learning and socialization experiences.

If the anti-SSC event, FDC:FastDestructiveCombat set to hard rock music, doesnt bring in the younger crowd, nothing will. Tickets man! It's all about the Gate, since we dont have a liquor license yet.... which is odd, considering all the alcohol used at an event.

Kiss the LiPo? Is that one of them Extreme Sports the slackers are into these days? Like the sports Kick the Bear or Cross Freeway Sprint? Or a Euro-Strongman exhibition: Who can hold a Shorted LiPo the longest.... well, that one is 90% mental prowess.

NO way...but I did stay at a Holiday inn express last night so I figured that allowed me to post an opinion

As a home school grad, I've been actively doing that.


Yea, it's kindda like kiss the cow. However I like your idea. Maybe a XxcountyfairxX event. Chitty Chitty Fire Guy(Brandon "hotpants" Chitty) should be the winner of the first year though. just to improve upon the idea a little, we should have CL combat raging while the RC foamies try to create more havoc. Kindda like a Le Mans event. Have a winner for the longest lasting CL plane and a winner for the RC plane that took the most hits averaged with the endurance of the flight. What fun!


50%

EDIT!!! yet another idea
How about a drunken foamie fly


Edit2: It's Le Mans and not IRL

Only if we can use HotWire Lines for the CL Combat with FoamieFrackas...

Some may say we are turning respectable events into a freakshow/circus. Well, maybe, but JerrySpringer is still on the air, and the NationalEnquirer still sold tons of copy with the pic of Bush playing golf with an Alien. Folks cant help but look at the train wreck.... just look at the GawkerBlocks we get on the freeways for a crash on the other side, past a 4' concreet barrier, 6 lanes of traffic away- so far off they have to stop to try to get alook. Get some of the masses thru the gate at $5 a head, cause 20k attendence @ $5 is a lot of foamcores for the once or twice a year Major Event at each of the Regoinal SuperFields

Only if we can use HotWire Lines for the CL Combat with FoamieFrackas...

Some may say we are turning respectable events into a freakshow/circus. Well, maybe, but JerrySpringer is still on the air, and the NationalEnquirer still sold tons of copy with the pic of Bush playing golf with an Alien. Folks cant help but look at the train wreck.... just look at the GawkerBlocks we get on the freeways for a crash on the other side, past a 4' concreet barrier, 6 lanes of traffic away- so far off they have to stop to try to get alook. Get some of the masses thru the gate at $5 a head, cause 20k attendence @ $5 is a lot of foamcores for the once or twice a year Major Event at each of the Regoinal SuperFields

Yea! and maybe if we had $1,000,000 prize all of America would be AMA members to try to win this event. I'm unsure of the numbers, but even if we only get 10,000,000 new AMA members out of it, we will still have an anual income of $580,000,000 from dues. MA will be the #1 magazine. Dave Brown could be President of the USA!(hmmm[:-])

Screw the porn sites! RCU, FlyingGiants.com, RCGroups, TeamFlyingCirkus.com, and any others would be the top websites in the world.

G3 would far out sell AFPD by millions.(sorry STL)


And all because of the AMA!



50%

I dont think we can run a mag in the red with that many copies.... there is just so red you can run

But I'm glad to see your in the spirit of things Let's all get tatoos!

My company teaches several home school groups and we'll have several more up and running this fall. Needless to say their network is not a tightly wound as the public and private schools networks are. To get to each states board of education is much easier then the home school networks hub in each state.

Yea, it's kindda like kiss the cow.

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Kiss the Cow ??? Naw, It's too far to walk.

Bill, AMA 4720

BLM Land

Anybody out there deal with the BLM in getting some land for a club?
Cause it is a bunch of land that is great for shootin & offroad, why not fly over it too

A comment about the lack of younguns in the AMA. The original gang of members were the guys who grew up in an era when building a model airplane was the "neatest thing" a kid could do, competition was icing on the cake. Todays' situation is much different and for a variety of reasons trying to avtively recruit the youngsters to the AMA is a waste of time. In todays' world, a lot of guys aren't in any kind of personal, financial or intellectual state to take this hobby on. I have met many 30+ year olds who are now just finding the time and the interest [after years of playing NINTENDO] to get into our sport. Model aviation is no secret to anyone, everyone knows about it, it is either attractive enough to fly on its' own merits, or it isn't. It would be interesting to see what would happen if you could hand out a $500 complete RTF trainer system to let's say, one thousand 12 year olds, on a first come, first serve basis, just to see what impact that would have on membership over the next 10 years. I'm willing to bet only about 50 or less would have stuck with it and paid the $580 dues on the $500 bet. Most of the freebee RTFs would end up getting sold and converted into RC car gear, or video game stuff.

I would disagree that model aviation is universally known. I've simply run into too many people who have had no idea it exists. Other than that, I have no quarrel with Combatpigg's post. How about an argument, not messed up by real data,[],of course, on what percent of US citizens know model aviation exists?

I'll agree that not many folks have ever heard of Fast RAT, QM 40, 4D with a brushless on lipos, but almost everyone has seen a chuck glider, rubberband free flight, COX or TESTORS rock on a string, Walmart, ToysRus $40 RC offerings by now. Model planes have been seen by millions on the DYI channel and randomly on TV shows and in the movies. Most people who are interested in Hollywood behind the scenes type shows have seen model planes in action. Small town newspapers used to run feature articles on those new fangled toys, quite often. I remember announcements in the paper when so and so plannned on taking his RC plane out to Ft Cronkite to fly, come one, come all. Have I left any examples out?

I think the truth is that most people know of model aviation and most people aren't impressed enough with it to get into it. I have seen countless lookie loos pull off the side of the road just long enough to catch a glimpse of a fast combat match, then drive off. Very rarely would you see an outsider get drawn in enough by such an awesome spectacle [2 circles running, no waiting between matches] to show enough interest to spend some time there and maybe approach the flyers. Just about every guy I've ever talked to in my age category has witnessed or tried Christmas morning .049 control line, [usually with grim results], I think COX and TESTORS are responsible for turning 10 guys away from the sport for every 1 that eneded up sticking with it.

It's comments like these that make my job worth every moment. Thanks Combat, you just made my day! You couldn't be any further from being accurate.

You are exactly right Jim. There is a difference between seeing a plane in a box at Wallyworld and seeing one fly on the field.

I particularly liked the comment I heard once (are mufflers really good things?), "Drive on, Myrt. It don't look like he's agonna crash." It is very seldom someone will watch a complete (thrilling and spectacular)flight. If they do, I always (if I can catch them) engage them in conversation. I do agree that the plastic nasties discouraged more than they encouraged. a lot of these problems have been solved with electricity, and many of the parkfliers are people who would have gotten discouraged by the plastic nasties a couple of generations back.