Why Hoss?
08-29-2008 | 05:47 AM
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RE: Why Hoss?
Hey Ron "B" what's your last name. Oh and zip code if you please. Thanks!
Oh and I noticed that ol Hoss was MORE than happy to answer your question without that information. Teachers pet?
Oh and I noticed that ol Hoss was MORE than happy to answer your question without that information. Teachers pet?
08-29-2008 | 06:29 AM
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Hey Ron "B" what's your last name. Oh and zip code if you please. Thanks!
Oh and I noticed that ol Hoss was MORE than happy to answer your question without that information. Teachers pet?
Hey Ron "B" what's your last name. Oh and zip code if you please. Thanks!
Oh and I noticed that ol Hoss was MORE than happy to answer your question without that information. Teachers pet?
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08-29-2008 | 07:28 AM
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RE: Why Hoss?
Hoss good luck I would rather have someone that is not afraid to speak there mind about any issue than someone that will just be a go along type. I would like to know what you think about AMA making there ins program PRIMARY. Maybe raise dues a little if needed but get out of the hassle of having to use other insurances for the sport that we joined the AMA for. How or would you consider doing this? IF asked before this post sorry I just have not read all the bickering going on on every page. Good luck again. This is an important issue for myself, as it is for many i would think.
08-29-2008 | 07:38 AM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: STLPilot
Hey Ron "B" what's your last name. Oh and zip code if you please. Thanks!
Oh and I noticed that ol Hoss was MORE than happy to answer your question without that information. Teachers pet?
Hey Ron "B" what's your last name. Oh and zip code if you please. Thanks!
Oh and I noticed that ol Hoss was MORE than happy to answer your question without that information. Teachers pet?
Hey einstein, I told you earlier that Hoss already knew my info from previous PM's.
I can see why you can't keep anything straight, you can't keep track of what you say or hear from one day to the next.
P.S.-By the way, the Water Co. called an asked for you yesterday......
08-29-2008 | 08:31 AM
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Thanks for the well wishes k.c.
When I think of all the problems encountered even obtaining an insurance provider throughout the past 30 years, I am very conservative in this field. Right now, off the cuff, I think I would have to be presented some options to review before making any strong determination on which direction AMA should take. As you are aware, the main insurance for landowners of flying sites is primary.
To me, the AMA personal insurance is rather like an umbrella policy. It's there to cover situations outside one's Home/Renter's and/or umbrella liability insurance coverage. In those cases where the individual AMA member has no personal liability insurance, the AMA liability insurance is primary.
As of now, the AMA member insurance is not AMA's largest AMA expense outside the employee salaries. The magazine Model Aviation (MA) is the largest expense. Although the net loss of $1,086,852 in '07 is less than the member insurance expense of $1,380,852, the actual MA loss becomes even a larger bite of the AMA's revenue when one considers that thirteen (13) MA employees are accounted for under AMA employee expense and not the magazine expense.
At my current level of knowledge, I am very hesitant to think making member liability insurance primary. The cost would at least become twice the current expense and maybe much more.
With the decline of membership for the past few years:
2002... 173,420
2003... 168,075
2004... 163,709
2005........... 161,006
2006........... 156,765
2007........... 151,394
Who will remain to pay current bills?
At this time, I think AMA has a few more problems that need redirection prior to seriously considering the change of member liability insurance to primary status.
Another thing that bothers me big time is this recent ludicrous Bylaws change where the Chief Financial Officer is to become an appointed position on the Ex. Council. IMO this will foster inhouse-politics back to the '70s and '80s where the soap-operas happening within AMA headquarters were so obvious they simply could not be kept secret.
Hope this helps shape up the "Big Picture".
Edited to add PS. Without doubt some will rant that I am just mad because I wanted to be CFO. However in the new-world-order of the Bylaws changes, the EVP will be much more in focus to the AMA membership. That will give an EVP with vision the opportunities to really carry the true AMA message to the public. You know, I do like that. [sm=thumbs_up.gif]
kid chuckles: I would like to know what you think about AMA making there ins program PRIMARY. Maybe raise dues a little if needed but get out of the hassle of having to use other insurances for the sport that we joined the AMA for. How or would you consider doing this?
To me, the AMA personal insurance is rather like an umbrella policy. It's there to cover situations outside one's Home/Renter's and/or umbrella liability insurance coverage. In those cases where the individual AMA member has no personal liability insurance, the AMA liability insurance is primary.
As of now, the AMA member insurance is not AMA's largest AMA expense outside the employee salaries. The magazine Model Aviation (MA) is the largest expense. Although the net loss of $1,086,852 in '07 is less than the member insurance expense of $1,380,852, the actual MA loss becomes even a larger bite of the AMA's revenue when one considers that thirteen (13) MA employees are accounted for under AMA employee expense and not the magazine expense.
At my current level of knowledge, I am very hesitant to think making member liability insurance primary. The cost would at least become twice the current expense and maybe much more.
With the decline of membership for the past few years:
2002... 173,420
2003... 168,075
2004... 163,709
2005........... 161,006
2006........... 156,765
2007........... 151,394
Who will remain to pay current bills?
At this time, I think AMA has a few more problems that need redirection prior to seriously considering the change of member liability insurance to primary status.
Another thing that bothers me big time is this recent ludicrous Bylaws change where the Chief Financial Officer is to become an appointed position on the Ex. Council. IMO this will foster inhouse-politics back to the '70s and '80s where the soap-operas happening within AMA headquarters were so obvious they simply could not be kept secret.
Hope this helps shape up the "Big Picture".
Edited to add PS. Without doubt some will rant that I am just mad because I wanted to be CFO. However in the new-world-order of the Bylaws changes, the EVP will be much more in focus to the AMA membership. That will give an EVP with vision the opportunities to really carry the true AMA message to the public. You know, I do like that. [sm=thumbs_up.gif]
08-29-2008 | 11:03 AM
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ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
I had to edit this one. Look Mike (or whoever your are), So you contacted Muncie about having to give your first name. I'll bet that made the rounds in the break room. Let it go. Let it go.
Bill, AMA 4720
I had to edit this one. Look Mike (or whoever your are), So you contacted Muncie about having to give your first name. I'll bet that made the rounds in the break room. Let it go. Let it go.
Bill, AMA 4720
You might not care about what an unscrupulous person does with your private information, but most people are concerned about protecting their identities. Do you not understand why? You might be a bit slow, but I'm certainly willing to help educate you. Let me know if you actually want to learn something. Or just keep up the role of syphocant, which you see suited for.
Horrace, do you respect the privacy of AMA members? I see that someone must have slapped some sense into you, as you're attempting to behave as an adult again.
08-29-2008 | 11:13 AM
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Thanks for the well wishes k.c.
When I think of all the problems encountered even obtaining an insurance provider throughout the past 30 years, I am very conservative in this field. Right now, off the cuff, I think I would have to be presented some options to review before making any strong determination on which direction AMA should take. As you are aware, the main insurance for landowners of flying sites is primary.
To me, the AMA personal insurance is rather like an umbrella policy. It's there to cover situations outside one's Home/Renter's and/or umbrella liability insurance coverage. In those cases where the individual AMA member has no personal liability insurance, the AMA liability insurance is primary.
As of now, the AMA member insurance is not AMA's largest AMA expense outside the employee salaries. The magazine Model Aviation (MA) is the largest expense. Although the net loss of $1,086,852 in '07 is less than the member insurance expense of $1,380,852, the actual MA loss becomes even a larger bite of the AMA's revenue when one considers that thirteen (13) MA employees are accounted for under AMA employee expense and not the magazine expense.
At my current level of knowledge, I am very hesitant to think making member liability insurance primary. The cost would at least become twice the current expense and maybe much more.
With the decline of membership for the past few years:
2002... 173,420
2003... 168,075
2004... 163,709
2005........... 161,006
2006........... 156,765
2007........... 151,394
Who will remain to pay current bills?
At this time, I think AMA has a few more problems that need redirection prior to seriously considering the change of member liability insurance to primary status.
Another thing that bothers me big time is this recent ludicrous Bylaws change where the Chief Financial Officer is to become an appointed position on the Ex. Council. IMO this will foster inhouse-politics back to the '70s and '80s where the soap-operas happening within AMA headquarters were so obvious they simply could not be kept secret.
Hope this helps shape up the "Big Picture".
Edited to add PS. Without doubt some will rant that I am just mad because I wanted to be CFO. However in the new-world-order of the Bylaws changes, the EVP will be much more in focus to the AMA membership. That will give an EVP with vision the opportunities to really carry the true AMA message to the public. You know, I do like that. [sm=thumbs_up.gif]
Thanks for the well wishes k.c.
kid chuckles: I would like to know what you think about AMA making there ins program PRIMARY. Maybe raise dues a little if needed but get out of the hassle of having to use other insurances for the sport that we joined the AMA for. How or would you consider doing this?
To me, the AMA personal insurance is rather like an umbrella policy. It's there to cover situations outside one's Home/Renter's and/or umbrella liability insurance coverage. In those cases where the individual AMA member has no personal liability insurance, the AMA liability insurance is primary.
As of now, the AMA member insurance is not AMA's largest AMA expense outside the employee salaries. The magazine Model Aviation (MA) is the largest expense. Although the net loss of $1,086,852 in '07 is less than the member insurance expense of $1,380,852, the actual MA loss becomes even a larger bite of the AMA's revenue when one considers that thirteen (13) MA employees are accounted for under AMA employee expense and not the magazine expense.
At my current level of knowledge, I am very hesitant to think making member liability insurance primary. The cost would at least become twice the current expense and maybe much more.
With the decline of membership for the past few years:
2002... 173,420
2003... 168,075
2004... 163,709
2005........... 161,006
2006........... 156,765
2007........... 151,394
Who will remain to pay current bills?
At this time, I think AMA has a few more problems that need redirection prior to seriously considering the change of member liability insurance to primary status.
Another thing that bothers me big time is this recent ludicrous Bylaws change where the Chief Financial Officer is to become an appointed position on the Ex. Council. IMO this will foster inhouse-politics back to the '70s and '80s where the soap-operas happening within AMA headquarters were so obvious they simply could not be kept secret.
Hope this helps shape up the "Big Picture".
Edited to add PS. Without doubt some will rant that I am just mad because I wanted to be CFO. However in the new-world-order of the Bylaws changes, the EVP will be much more in focus to the AMA membership. That will give an EVP with vision the opportunities to really carry the true AMA message to the public. You know, I do like that. [sm=thumbs_up.gif]
I only know Mr Hossfly through his many posts in the AMA RCU forum and that is what I would have to use to make my voting decisions. I respect his motivation to volunteer but, let me remind you that there can be a vast difference between intent and impact. In my judgment Mr Hossfly is not the person for the job and that is how I would vote. I would certainly enjoy going flying with him and talking about airplanes though.
If anyone (including Mr Hossfly) has information about his past that includes successfully leading groups with diverse views to agree to major internal changes and actually implementing those changes, then I will be pleased to reconsider my view.
Howard
08-29-2008 | 11:31 AM
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Howard, there should be plenty of unemployed sociology majors to come along shortly and discuss this undefinable issue with you.
There's one guy I know of [who was banished from here to RCG] who is the biggest "expert" on Hoss of them all, even though he has never stood within 500 miles of him.
Maybe you guys can form some kind of conjecture and gossip club? I hear that the chicks dig that kind of stuff?
There's one guy I know of [who was banished from here to RCG] who is the biggest "expert" on Hoss of them all, even though he has never stood within 500 miles of him.
Maybe you guys can form some kind of conjecture and gossip club? I hear that the chicks dig that kind of stuff?
08-29-2008 | 12:03 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: Hossfly
At this time, I think AMA has a few more problems that need redirection prior to seriously considering the change of member liability insurance to primary status.
At this time, I think AMA has a few more problems that need redirection prior to seriously considering the change of member liability insurance to primary status.
The cost to do this would probably be prohibitive, and with a trend of declining membership is probably not a good idea. I'm sure the underwriter of the insurance knows the demographics of the AMA membership, can accurately estimate the number of members with homeowners insurance and sets their rates accordingly. The change would obviously have a major effect on the cost of the insurance and the cost to members in dues.
08-29-2008 | 12:03 PM
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ORIGINAL: MikeL
Look, Bill (or whoever your are), is this the best you can do? Seriously? I mean, that's not even witty. You did better when you expressed yourself with baby noises. Just how old are you, anyway?
You might not care about what an unscrupulous person does with your private information, but most people are concerned about protecting their identities. Do you not understand why? You might be a bit slow, but I'm certainly willing to help educate you. Let me know if you actually want to learn something. Or just keep up the role of syphocant, which you see suited for.
Horrace, do you respect the privacy of AMA members? I see that someone must have slapped some sense into you, as you're attempting to behave as an adult again.
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
I had to edit this one. Look Mike (or whoever your are), So you contacted Muncie about having to give your first name. I'll bet that made the rounds in the break room. Let it go. Let it go.
Bill, AMA 4720
I had to edit this one. Look Mike (or whoever your are), So you contacted Muncie about having to give your first name. I'll bet that made the rounds in the break room. Let it go. Let it go.
Bill, AMA 4720
You might not care about what an unscrupulous person does with your private information, but most people are concerned about protecting their identities. Do you not understand why? You might be a bit slow, but I'm certainly willing to help educate you. Let me know if you actually want to learn something. Or just keep up the role of syphocant, which you see suited for.
Horrace, do you respect the privacy of AMA members? I see that someone must have slapped some sense into you, as you're attempting to behave as an adult again.
Yes, that's my real name, my real AMA number, and my real Zip Code. If you are an AMA member, you can check it for yourself. As to me being slow, that may be true, but I'm still out in front of you. As to you educating me.....That'll be the day. And you might wish to look up the spelling of large words that you misuse. Spell checking the simple ones wouldn't hurt you either. What a Nimrod.
Bill, AMA 4720
08-29-2008 | 12:07 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
Identifying a problem(s) hardly qualifies that person to resolve the issue. Solutions to problems in an organization require dialogue, compromise, agreeing to changing targets and working together to achieve common goals.
First the "Everything is fine" crowd need to recognize the problems that are identified do indeed exist.
Then your method could be tried.
Folks say Hoss wont be able to get things done because he will be in contention with the ones already in power. Lets see how well things are getting done without Hoss shaking things up.
Dave Mathewson 8/25/2004
I do think MA should be operated as a well-run business entity with the intent of having the least amount of impact as possible on member dues.
Dave
Dave
Is he in a position to get that to happen, has he been in a position to make that happen for years?
Do you say he hasnt gotten it done because he cant work with the powers that be?
Does not play well with others?
Is he trying to make that happen, or letting it stay a problem to avoid centention with others?
Hoss isnt going to ignore problems just to make friends with the ones supporting the problems.
Perhaps if Hoss is elected,
Dave will get the support he needs (& lacks?) to finally get his 2004 statement going somewhere.
Is the problem that Hoss cant play well with the EC,
or that the EC doesnt play well with Dave & Hoss
We've seen Hoss get stuff done in his terms on EC, stuff other than Yes-man Signoff.
Maybe its time to get stuff done again rather than group hug & all get along
08-29-2008 | 12:38 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: Hossfly
However in the new-world-order of the Bylaws changes, the EVP will be much more in focus to the AMA membership. That will give an EVP with vision the opportunities to really carry the true AMA message to the public. You know, I do like that. [sm=thumbs_up.gif]
However in the new-world-order of the Bylaws changes, the EVP will be much more in focus to the AMA membership. That will give an EVP with vision the opportunities to really carry the true AMA message to the public. You know, I do like that. [sm=thumbs_up.gif]
"The Bylaws vote passed much to my sorrow. The ED Mr Cherry informed me that 51% of the leader members voted and passed the new change by 96%. Again much to my sorrow as the new functions of the EVP places him into nothing more than a flunky for the EC. "
Which is it, Horrace? Or does it just change on a message by message basis to suit whatever point you may be trying to make at the particular time?
Which is it? [sm=thumbs_up.gif] or "sorrow" & "flunky"?
08-29-2008 | 12:50 PM
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Howard, there should be plenty of unemployed sociology majors to come along shortly and discuss this undefinable issue with you.
There's one guy I know of [who was banished from here to RCG] who is the biggest "expert" on Hoss of them all, even though he has never stood within 500 miles of him.
Maybe you guys can form some kind of conjecture and gossip club? I hear that the chicks dig that kind of stuff?
Howard, there should be plenty of unemployed sociology majors to come along shortly and discuss this undefinable issue with you.
There's one guy I know of [who was banished from here to RCG] who is the biggest "expert" on Hoss of them all, even though he has never stood within 500 miles of him.
Maybe you guys can form some kind of conjecture and gossip club? I hear that the chicks dig that kind of stuff?
Attacking the holder of an opinion instead the opinion itself is not the most successful form of argument. Since you did not respond with examples of Hossfly's successes in the area of organizational change I will logically assume that you are not aware of any. Thank you for supporting my point of view.
Howard
08-29-2008 | 12:50 PM
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First the "Everything is fine" crowd need to recognize the problems that are identified do indeed exist.
Problems .... well what benefit didn't you receive from your dues ... or are you just speaking on behalf of someone else. Nothing more than drama in these here forums ... just for the sake of having drama, period.
08-29-2008 | 01:09 PM
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Howard, you might see it as an attack, I see it as advice.
BTW, take the time to read Hoss's resume. He pioneered a certain type of IRA application, plus had a few successful "go-arounds" with the IRS, representing himeself.
This is a pretty impressive example of working with others to effect change.
He has been a contest director for nearly 1/2 a century, plus I will wager has also been the right hand man to many other CDs. Have you ever run a successful contest? Do you think you can run just 1 contest, let alone 45 year's worth without being able to work with others?
Don't bother to answer if all you got is gossip and conjecture.
BTW, take the time to read Hoss's resume. He pioneered a certain type of IRA application, plus had a few successful "go-arounds" with the IRS, representing himeself.
This is a pretty impressive example of working with others to effect change.
He has been a contest director for nearly 1/2 a century, plus I will wager has also been the right hand man to many other CDs. Have you ever run a successful contest? Do you think you can run just 1 contest, let alone 45 year's worth without being able to work with others?
Don't bother to answer if all you got is gossip and conjecture.
08-29-2008 | 01:30 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: combatpigg
Howard, there should be plenty of unemployed sociology majors to come along shortly and discuss this undefinable issue with you.
There's one guy I know of [who was banished from here to RCG] who is the biggest "expert" on Hoss of them all, even though he has never stood within 500 miles of him.
Maybe you guys can form some kind of conjecture and gossip club? I hear that the chicks dig that kind of stuff?
Howard, there should be plenty of unemployed sociology majors to come along shortly and discuss this undefinable issue with you.
There's one guy I know of [who was banished from here to RCG] who is the biggest "expert" on Hoss of them all, even though he has never stood within 500 miles of him.
Maybe you guys can form some kind of conjecture and gossip club? I hear that the chicks dig that kind of stuff?
Given Horrace's past difficulties with AMA leaders, the reputation he has earned here for his take no prisoners attitude for anyone who disagrees with him or heaven forbid challenges his positions, and the combative and sometimes childish responses to many members here it's both a reasonable and rational request.
IMO, and I believe it's shared with others, Horrace's ability to provide effective leadership is the primary question that those who are thinking of supporting him should be asking themselves.
08-29-2008 | 01:41 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
Well, By your last post, directed toward me, you are obviously attempting to get the thread locked. Nice try, but I won't raise to the bait. There is absolutely nothing that you can do to me with the information that the AMA has. They have the same information concerning me that you can get from the Telephone book. Oh yes, they do know my AMA number.
Yes, that's my real name, my real AMA number, and my real Zip Code. If you are an AMA member, you can check it for yourself. As to me being slow, that may be true, but I'm still out in front of you. As to you educating me.....That'll be the day. And you might wish to look up the spelling of large words that you misuse. Spell checking the simple ones wouldn't hurt you either. What a Nimrod.
Bill, AMA 4720
Well, By your last post, directed toward me, you are obviously attempting to get the thread locked. Nice try, but I won't raise to the bait. There is absolutely nothing that you can do to me with the information that the AMA has. They have the same information concerning me that you can get from the Telephone book. Oh yes, they do know my AMA number.
Yes, that's my real name, my real AMA number, and my real Zip Code. If you are an AMA member, you can check it for yourself. As to me being slow, that may be true, but I'm still out in front of you. As to you educating me.....That'll be the day. And you might wish to look up the spelling of large words that you misuse. Spell checking the simple ones wouldn't hurt you either. What a Nimrod.
Bill, AMA 4720
And your response about the telephone book once again just shows that you are unwilling or unable to constructively discuss the issues at play here. Data privacy is not about your notion of what is or is not harmful. Misappropriation of AMA databases for personal use is not about your notion of what is or is not harmful.
08-29-2008 | 01:43 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: Bob Mitchell
CP, all he was asking for was some examples of where Horrace as demonstrated the ability to lead effectively in a situation where one has to persuade people that his plan is appropriate and can't get them to line up behind him by continual shouts of my way or the highway.
CP, all he was asking for was some examples of where Horrace as demonstrated the ability to lead effectively in a situation where one has to persuade people that his plan is appropriate and can't get them to line up behind him by continual shouts of my way or the highway.
08-29-2008 | 01:59 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
Mike
if you feel so strongly that Hoss is violating your AMA data security
report him to Muncie.
Tell them there is a guy on the internet that wont take you seriously
until you identify yourself and verify as a member of the AMA.
Demand AMA action on this perceived breach of acceptable use!
Boy howdy, them Muncie boys could take all kinds of actions against Hoss as they see fit,
including expulsion from the AMA,
if you just cared enough to actually want to have something done about the breach of your privacy.
OTOH
they may laugh at you for getting upset that they allow this kind of thing.
You are just gonna have to take your chances and hope the coin comes up
Jail Time for Hoss, rather than Humiliation for Mike
You might have the power to make it stop, will you stop it.
if you feel so strongly that Hoss is violating your AMA data security
report him to Muncie.
Tell them there is a guy on the internet that wont take you seriously
until you identify yourself and verify as a member of the AMA.
Demand AMA action on this perceived breach of acceptable use!
Boy howdy, them Muncie boys could take all kinds of actions against Hoss as they see fit,
including expulsion from the AMA,
if you just cared enough to actually want to have something done about the breach of your privacy.
OTOH
they may laugh at you for getting upset that they allow this kind of thing.
You are just gonna have to take your chances and hope the coin comes up
Jail Time for Hoss, rather than Humiliation for Mike
You might have the power to make it stop, will you stop it.
08-29-2008 | 01:59 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: MikeL
You're the one who wanted this to degenerate to personal attacks. You said yourself that you weren't having any "fun" when the actual issue was discussed. You didn't have a cogent argument, and bowed out until you could return to make baby noises. Most people would be a bit embarrassed by behaving in such a way. I'll assume you wouldn't behave like this in person, and that you've got a fair bit of keyboard courage.
And your response about the telephone book once again just shows that you are unwilling or unable to constructively discuss the issues at play here. Data privacy is not about your notion of what is or is not harmful. Misappropriation of AMA databases for personal use is not about your notion of what is or is not harmful.
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
Well, By your last post, directed toward me, you are obviously attempting to get the thread locked. Nice try, but I won't raise to the bait. There is absolutely nothing that you can do to me with the information that the AMA has. They have the same information concerning me that you can get from the Telephone book. Oh yes, they do know my AMA number.
Yes, that's my real name, my real AMA number, and my real Zip Code. If you are an AMA member, you can check it for yourself. As to me being slow, that may be true, but I'm still out in front of you. As to you educating me.....That'll be the day. And you might wish to look up the spelling of large words that you misuse. Spell checking the simple ones wouldn't hurt you either. What a Nimrod.
Bill, AMA 4720
Well, By your last post, directed toward me, you are obviously attempting to get the thread locked. Nice try, but I won't raise to the bait. There is absolutely nothing that you can do to me with the information that the AMA has. They have the same information concerning me that you can get from the Telephone book. Oh yes, they do know my AMA number.
Yes, that's my real name, my real AMA number, and my real Zip Code. If you are an AMA member, you can check it for yourself. As to me being slow, that may be true, but I'm still out in front of you. As to you educating me.....That'll be the day. And you might wish to look up the spelling of large words that you misuse. Spell checking the simple ones wouldn't hurt you either. What a Nimrod.
Bill, AMA 4720
And your response about the telephone book once again just shows that you are unwilling or unable to constructively discuss the issues at play here. Data privacy is not about your notion of what is or is not harmful. Misappropriation of AMA databases for personal use is not about your notion of what is or is not harmful.
Yes, I would, could, and given the opportunity will, behave in the same manner face to face as I type on the keyboard. Being older does not mean that I've forgotten how.
Bill, AMA 4720
08-29-2008 | 02:34 PM
#223
Senior Member
My Feedback: (3)
RE: Why Hoss?
The position that Hoss is volunteering to fill....do you think there is any danger that he can do any real harm there? What is "the risk : reward" of having this guy in that slot ? He has several plausible ideas to improve the AMA's financial position and bargaining power. The position appears to be mainly advisory.
His job is to first approach the leadership with his ideas, then form a concensus opinion of what the game plan should be. Then I see Hoss taking off on his fact finding tour to test the feasibility of their objectives, more consultation with the AMA leadership, then who knows what?
So far, Hoss has shown that he has novel ideas that could work...ideas with teeth. As a "campaigner" of sorts, I don't think he has complately tipped his hand with all ideas and details.
I get a kick out of all the unemployed sociology majors who call the local sports radio talk shows about their theories as to why the Seattle Mariners are a bunch of losers. They think that this team sucks because they lack leadership in the clubhouse. They think that there has to be "chemistry". They think that you can't win with pre-Madonnas.......... they think that there are too many cliques within the clubhouse.
The Mariners are losers right now because they lack talent, the other stuff is nothing but gossip, conjecture and BS. "Chemistry" won't help you keep your eye on the ball. Being nice doesn't win ball games or keep you in the game. A lot of the "nice guys" are driving UPS trucks now, instead of suiting up.
Competing in the real world takes talent and hard work. That's what we need from a EVP.
Like most of us, I'm sure that all Hoss asks for is just a little bit of respect.
How would you like to be approached by a new hire boss who comes up to you on his first day and asks you to explain the accusations that you don't get along well with others?
08-29-2008 | 02:36 PM
#224
RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: Bob Mitchell
That's odd, Horrace. Just eight days ago the other side of your mouth said (and I quote):
"The Bylaws vote passed much to my sorrow. The ED Mr Cherry informed me that 51% of the leader members voted and passed the new change by 96%. Again much to my sorrow as the new functions of the EVP places him into nothing more than a flunky for the EC. "
Which is it, Horrace? Or does it just change on a message by message basis to suit whatever point you may be trying to make at the particular time?
Which is it? [sm=thumbs_up.gif] or "sorrow" & "flunky"?
ORIGINAL: Hossfly
However in the new-world-order of the Bylaws changes, the EVP will be much more in focus to the AMA membership. That will give an EVP with vision the opportunities to really carry the true AMA message to the public. You know, I do like that. [sm=thumbs_up.gif]
However in the new-world-order of the Bylaws changes, the EVP will be much more in focus to the AMA membership. That will give an EVP with vision the opportunities to really carry the true AMA message to the public. You know, I do like that. [sm=thumbs_up.gif]
"The Bylaws vote passed much to my sorrow. The ED Mr Cherry informed me that 51% of the leader members voted and passed the new change by 96%. Again much to my sorrow as the new functions of the EVP places him into nothing more than a flunky for the EC. "
Which is it, Horrace? Or does it just change on a message by message basis to suit whatever point you may be trying to make at the particular time?
Which is it? [sm=thumbs_up.gif] or "sorrow" & "flunky"?
Life is full of lemons. OTOH I find lemonade to be most refreshing, especially when a tad of ABSOLUT is added. There is seldom any length of time goes by that something doesn't happen that really gets me big time. Then I mix the lemonade and it seems that each time, I find the hidden opportunity within, look up and say, "Thank YOU, SIR."
Mitchell, I fully recognize that you, with your very limited perspective of those things outside your immediate touch and control, find it very difficult to comprehend someone being able to flex with the situation. However there are so many horizons, and so many beautiful sunsets, along with the next tomorrow's dawning, life is just too short to not to be able to adjust, and see the bad along with the good.
Yesterday, I was carrying my 22 month old grand-daughter, walking down the 200 ft. drive to the mailbox. She had her arm around my neck and she said, "PaPa I love you." You see Mitchell, there ain't nothin' in this world that can really hurt me. I have everything. Pick all you want.
08-29-2008 | 02:37 PM
#225
Senior Member
My Feedback: (2)
RE: Why Hoss?
Here we are - nine pages into the forum discussion, and it appears to me that certain individuals are here only to ruffle some feathers, and are doing a pretty darn good job of doing just that. These individuals would include MikeL; Howard; and Bob Mitchell. I would dare to say that Hoss, (who I do not know, and have never met), still has done more in his lifetime, to promote the model aviation hobby, than you three will ever do, in your combined lifetimes.
Wouldn't it be better to just say, as Robotech already has done, that your vote will go to Mark Smith, and let it go at that? Why is it necessary for you guys to continue on and on trying to tear down a person that has devoted his lifetime to the betterment of model aviation? He hasn't done you any wrong that I can see.
When the votes are in, either he wins or he loses. It's as simple as that, and we AMA members will have to live with whatever the outcome. My guess is that either candidate can and will work diligently with Dave Mathewson to define and correct AMA problem areas. What more can you ask for than that?
Better to direct your anger at an election that will certainly have one big impact on your lives - like Obama or McCain. Why get yourselves so worked up over this AMA election? When it's over, you will go on living as before, but when the BIG election is over, then you had better wish that you rolled the dice right!
Wouldn't it be better to just say, as Robotech already has done, that your vote will go to Mark Smith, and let it go at that? Why is it necessary for you guys to continue on and on trying to tear down a person that has devoted his lifetime to the betterment of model aviation? He hasn't done you any wrong that I can see.
When the votes are in, either he wins or he loses. It's as simple as that, and we AMA members will have to live with whatever the outcome. My guess is that either candidate can and will work diligently with Dave Mathewson to define and correct AMA problem areas. What more can you ask for than that?
Better to direct your anger at an election that will certainly have one big impact on your lives - like Obama or McCain. Why get yourselves so worked up over this AMA election? When it's over, you will go on living as before, but when the BIG election is over, then you had better wish that you rolled the dice right!
