bdavidson,

AMEN!

Bill, AMA 4720

That's fine, I agree, EC voting worthless, however policies to initiate growth, priceless.

Mark Smith for AMA EVP


http://home.everestkc.net/marktsmith//

Go get that ballot and vote. Remember to mail ballot seperately. Do not mail with your dues.

Spammers for Mark Smith

Thought about supporting Mark but could never see he would answer anyones questions then he just quit when the questions got a little deeper into subjects that he did not have answers for or just plain didn't want to. So just could not support a man that bows out when the going is a little more than he anticipated. Vote goes to Hoss.

Thanks for the support

Kemosobie,

The support for your candidate seems to be dwindling rapidly. I still respected the man for the way that he had been conducting himself, until he cut and ran. I had asked him a simple question, and I got talking points for an answer. I repeated my question to him, pointing out that he had danced around the question, and got a verbatim repeat for an answer. I'm not the only one who got this treatment. With Horrace, you might not like the answer, or you might not like the way it is produced, but you will get a truthful answer, and an honest effort to provide it. With Mark, who knows? So as far as you thanking us for our support, I'm very glad to see that you are well acquainted with sarcasm. Substance always wins out over sarcasm.

Bill, AMA 4720

Well, that is your opinion. Mark will win.

changed why to well

Exactly! And not only will it confirm that things are really not as broken at the AMA as the conspiracy theorists always make others try to believe. I'm not for or against Mark, I just know he'll win.

That's odd, he is now within 2 of HC on the poll in this forum. HC originally lead by a significant margin a few weeks ago.

Horrace Cain Life/Leader Member D VIII 41% (38)
Mark Smith DVP D9 39% (36)

Of course on the RCG forum where HC's fans are somewhat scarce.

Horrace Cain Life/Leader Member D VIII 26.67%
Mark Smith DVP D9 53.33%

Both forums are made up of people with an above average interest in AMA doings (which of course isn't setting the bar very high) and probably has little to do with what is happening with the actual voting. I believe that most people who read these forums on a routine basis, and have some familiarity with at least one of the candidates had their minds made up as soon as the nominations were made public.

My guess is that what has been said regarding in either forum regarding the election will have little impact on the overall vote. Speculation here, but the one exception to this may be those that happened to drop into the forum for the first time over the past 6 weeks or so and made up their minds based on the way one of the candidates typically deals with those who ask questions that challenge his positions. First impressions tend to last.

When will the results be announced?

Once again, post deleted in order to maintain some semblance of decorum on the forum. I hate it when I have to do that.

Bill, AMA 4720

Speculation here, but the one exception to this may be those that happened to drop into the forum for the first time over the past 6 weeks or so and made up their minds based on the way one of the candidates dodges questions, on amore than one subject, even when the question is repeated.... even when the honest & correct answer wouldnt do him(nor Muncie) any harm. Perhaps they might also find it odd that the marketing guy that fathered PPP didnt have dollar data on his baby. First impressions tend to last.

But thats just speculation

Horrace's demeaning attitude is one of the many reasons I didn't vote for him. He is so worryied about being right that he will attempt to belittle someone to make himself feel good.

Horrace reminds me of a Home Owners Association President. They are so self important and become so consumed in it that they forget what exactly the position is. Horrace can't even talk to anyone in here that doesn't agree with him sensibly. Can you imagine what he would be like with the AMA administration when they don't agree with him. He has alread said if he doesn't agree with something he won't do it. I am sure that will come with the stomping feet and crying. Yeah lets make him EVP so nothing gets accomplished. Well besides kleenex getting filled from all his whining.

Good Luck Mark Smith.

Stickbuilder, This thread is RE: Why I'm Supporting Mark Smith. What part of that do you not understand? You must secretly support him due to your continued posts within this thread. You have a great day now.

Mark T Smith the next AMA EVP

Wideglide
Firstly,
The EVP gets only 1 ballot in EC votes,
so its not like Hoss will have some SuperVeto Power to stop the rest of the EC in your above fear.

Looking at that, for a motion to get voted down, it would talk alot more than 3 or 4 EC to agree with Hoss and vote with Hoss against something. So in that case, how is Hoss the only Evil Badguy stopping progress if he is voting the same as other EC members? If he was as evil as you say, then everything will still pass 10-1 or 12-1 or whatever, regardless of the Dark Presense getting a vote.... all the crud you fear wont get accomplished will still get accomplished just like he wasnt there. Unless a whole bunch of the EC agrees with him and votes with him, meaning just how many of the EC are now Badguys in your perspective?



This recurring theme that folks cant work with Hoss,
kinda would fly better if the 81 Freq dealie of his wasnt Unanimous.

In contrast with MarkS, whom you guys say is all team and cooperation,
his Personal Pet Project couldnt muster a unanimous vote.

Has any of Marks motions been unanimous?
If he is such the team player and so WorkWithable,
he should have plenty of examples of him bringing the team together for a unanimous vote,
just like Hoss did.

Recap: Hoss HAS brought the team together for unanimous vote, when has Mark?


<see that punctuation ending that last line, that means it is a question, not a statement
<if you guys want to show some unanimous actions, go ahead... or not, just leave it looking bad for mark

You're putting words in peoples mouths, KE. I don't beleive anyone here has characterized Horrace as "evil". You seem to do this a lot, KE. Use you're own words to describe what someone is saying, and then attribute it to them.

Bad form, fella. Horrace wouild especially be mad if you did such with him. You'd see lots of cute little [>:]'s peppered in his messages.

If this is an example of your reasoning skills, then you might as well quit now. That's one of the most lame comparisons I've seen to indicate who can be worked with and who cannot. Of course even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Horrace frequently demonstrates his "WorkWithable" skills (your term) in his messages here. One doesn't challenge Horrace's positions without being labeled something that is juvenile and childish.

You mean this?

Jeepers KE.

I'm not sure if that's anything to hold up for admiration. Maybe it is for some. The end justifies the means thing.

Robotech, it is called LEVERAGE! How in Hades do you think Lyndon Johnson got some 280+/- bills passed through Congress during his final few months. Those bills were social bills that have forever broken the back of this LATE GREAT Country that now everyone (except a very few) thinks the government is simply a golden goose laying golden eggs for the non-productive and the super rich. LJ had a file on every congressman including all those that owed favors and those that had certain misbehaving the congress person would not wish to become public.

Yes, as an elected representative, I will use LEVERAGE if and when it provides that which the constituency elected me to do. IMO, the likes of you will do the same any time the situation is for YOUR PERSONAL benefit.

RC involved AMA Members needed those frequencies. If the EC passed over the one real opportunity to finally get the freqs. released, I would have definitely advised the AMA membership just who did and who did not stand in the way. Fortunately, the majority agreed with me, and a few opposing personalities were able to revise their thinking to determine their most beneficial course was to go along with the others.

"He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice."
Albert Einstein

edited; word revision

Bob
Ok, so then you can find 2 examples of Mark getting the team on board his plan.[>:]


Bob Said:
Bob, do you see the box around where I quouted you?
And yet you make claims like I misquoke folks.
See, that is a wonderful example of how I did not state that 'Bob Said KE Misquotes',
but I quoted & attribed you for all to see, then my comments are clearly not in your quote.

"If Hoss is as evil as you say then.." makes no metric as to just how evil that person said. If that person didnt state a degree of evility then the metric for the comment would be zero "If Hoss is (zero evil), then..."

"If Hoss is evil, as you say, then.."
That is wht you have confused my comment with. That would be making reference to the persons comment that Hoss was evil.



I know you guys are looking for semantics to avoid direct answers,
but at least pick nits that exist, rather than misreading my comments.

Hey, speaking of direct answers rather than semantic obfuscation,
I still am waiting for you guys to demonstrate some of this WorksWithism
that you claim Mark has but Mr Unanimous lacks.

Why on earth would you say Mark works well with others
if he cant draw the team together for such a landmark, dogma shattering precedent like the PPP.
What do you base that WorksWithliness on?

Just like Fox News, I'm just keeping it fair and balanced. And it's being done to aggravate you, which seems to be working very well. Now what part of that do you not understand. I believe that there were some Mark Voters in the other thread as well. Like I said, fair and balanced.

Bill, AMA 4720

Are Ya happy NOW?

The 8 of you are still a Hoot. But the more I listen to HOSS the more I lean towards Mark.




AMA 191557

Fox News of "We Distort, You Decide" fame?

Horrace, sometimes the "road less traveled" just gets ya lost.

Since you're into quotes, here's a couple that I think apply to your leadership "skills". Both bear repeating.


You don't lead by hitting people over the head - that's assault, not leadership.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

Which leads to.........

"It is a terrible thing to look over your shoulder when you are trying to lead and find no one there."
Franklin D Roosevelt