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Old 06-23-2004 | 03:14 PM
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Hanger 9 has redeamed itself with the twist after my extreme disappointment with a funtana. the twist will balance out perfectly on the aft mark by using a 46 FX with HS-225`s in the wing and tail. Standard size servos are too heavy and will require adding weight to the nose. An HS-81 is all that`s needed for throttle and has the speed needed for good control of anAPC 12.25X3.75 prop. My only gripe with the twist is the fuselage is extremly fragile just aft the wing saddle and only a minor blow will break it clean in two. Hanger-9 wants $60.00 bucks for just a fuselage. The twist makes the funtana look like a flying dog with its ability to do clean crisp aerobatics and any 3D move you can think of. The rudder is superb and with a little practice you can do horizontal hammerheads. I now have two (one for back-up). This plane is hard to beat at any price and has replaced the somethin extra as the love of my life.

Keep em lite and off the ground
Old 06-23-2004 | 04:03 PM
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ORIGINAL: restlessrocks

Standard size servos are too heavy and will require adding weight to the nose. My only gripe with the twist is the fuselage is extremly fragile just aft the wing saddle and only a minor blow will break it clean in two.
Keep em lite and off the ground

Mine had Hitec 425 in the tail, and the 5475? digitals in the wings, and 425 on the throttle...no need to add nose weight. I can also say, that mine did not break behind the wing saddle when it when it...and it was more than a minor blow.
Old 06-23-2004 | 10:24 PM
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Really enjoying my Twist. It is a good all-around sport plane. I did not assemble mine to be as light as possible, nevertheless it flies very well, lands at a crawl or faster if desired. A Saito .72 with 14 x 4W prop is the combination I favor. Changes I made: replaced metal landing gear mounting bolts with 1\4-20 nylon, replaced 2-56 control rods on tail surfaces with 4-40, and used screws to secure canopy vs gluing as suggested in instruction manual. Those changes are insignificant, but the reason I bothered to sign-on tonight is to mention a change in the landing gear. I polished the provided alum gear and they work well and look very nice, but do not provide a lot of ground clearance for larger props. I replaced the alum gear with DuBro "Super Strength Landing Gear" and I couldn't be more pleased. The DuBro gear are certainly stronger and more forgiving, the plane still handles well on the ground, sits at a higher of attack but still takes off very well, and most significantly, there is enough prop clearance for "bounce and go's". I don't think anyone should have any doubts about owning a Twist; great value for the money.
Old 06-24-2004 | 11:32 AM
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P-51B, where did you mount your engine to get the plane to balance without nose weight? Is it all the way forward? I just ordered a twist and I want to be sure to do everything possible to NOT have to add nose weight.

Also, for you guys that have been flying this plane, where do you think the optimal CG point is?
Old 06-24-2004 | 12:10 PM
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Glowplug,

I can't measure it since it is gone, but I think the front edge of the mounting flanges was about a quarter inch from the front of the mount. The OS engines I had in it both had rear mount needles, and I mounted it as far back as could with minimal cutting. The needle was right at the point where the curved portion of the top ended against the side...I may have cut the top piece back about an 1/8 inch. (I had to cut a clearance hole in the side for the needle).

On the balance, I started at 4 1/2 and moved it back. I was at 5 1/8 on the day it met its demise. I think another 1/4 may have been about right. When I was inverted it was still dropping the nose a bit, and I never could get the thing to flat spin.

To get the 5 1/8 balance with the OS 46 FX on the nose, I had my 4.8v 1450 NiMH pack right in front of the servo mounts (flat against the fuse top), with my receiver (hitec 555) up by the opening for the fuel tank compartment. I had the stock gear, stock wheels, built 2-56 carbon rods for the rear controls (for stiff controls, not to save weight). I used 1" pro-links on the ailerons because I had them, and they made adjustments soooo much easier on those big ailerons. No pilot, canopy glued on with RC 560.

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Old 06-24-2004 | 05:29 PM
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I am new to the sport and I bought a Twist, do you offset the motor on this model
Old 06-24-2004 | 06:17 PM
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No need to offset the motor, just use the motor mount included. It worked great with my TT 46.
Old 06-25-2004 | 06:16 AM
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Thanks for the info, I installed the battery under the fuel tank thru an access door I cut thru the bottom of the fuselage( fits in that dead space), not my idea but I think it is slick, still had to add 4.5 oz to balance within the range that was given
Old 06-26-2004 | 12:53 AM
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Thanks P-51!
Old 06-27-2004 | 03:14 PM
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I have a OS 46 FX in a Goldberg Tiger 2 that i'd like to put in this model. How do you think it'll fly with this engine with a APC 12x4 sport prop and Futaba 3004's?
Old 06-27-2004 | 10:51 PM
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Hey guys,

I've got 5 flights on my Twist now and I cannot quite get rid of a ballooning effect under power. If I trim the plane for straight and level at 2/3 throttle and then go to full throttle, the plane will pitch up about 10 or 15 degrees and kind of mush forward and up. Its like a climbing stall if that makes any sense. I've played with the thrust angles, but can't quite get it ironed out.

Also, how do you have your ailerons lined up for neutral? Top surface, bottom, max chord line?

On the high side, other than tearing the gear out on a deadstick landing off the field, this thing flies pretty well.

Thanks,
Duke
Old 06-28-2004 | 07:35 AM
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My ailerons were centered along the centerline of the rib, seemed to work just fine.
Old 06-29-2004 | 10:45 PM
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Took my Twist out tonight since my crash. I have my CG at 5" added 1.5oz of weight rather than the 6oz I had before.
Verticals are much better and she flys more stable. Landings are lighter a bounce or two.
Still very happy I bought this Twist!
Old 07-01-2004 | 08:00 PM
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I flew mine today the CG is 5" back from LE. On low rates it's flies very well, but so far I have found it very difficult to harrier, and hoving it just wants to "twist".
Old 07-02-2004 | 07:07 AM
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Cornduster- where was your CG when you added 6 oz of weight ? I have not flown mine yet, still new at this, but added 4.5 oz to get CG at around 5", one guy at our club said he would never add that much weight to a plane to get it balanced, on his Twist he moved his rudder and elev. servo's up front and did not have to add any weight with a OS46 on front. Is 4.5 oz too much weight to add and still have the plane fly properly ?
Old 07-02-2004 | 07:19 AM
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Did you mount your engine at the recommended position, or did you put it as far forward as possible?

I found a tip on mounting your engine last....that way you can move it either way a little to ballast it...then you might not have to add any weight. I didn't add any to mine.
Old 07-02-2004 | 07:27 AM
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Default RE: Hangar 9 Twist 3D

I also saw that post about mounting the motor last, I moved it as far forward as I thought would still leave enough mount, hole is about 3/8" back. What motor do you you have on to balance with no weight, I have a TT Pro 46.
Old 07-02-2004 | 07:39 AM
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Mine's a V-Max .46 BB

I have my receiver and battery just in front of the throttle servo in the space where it should go. No other special stuff. Servos are mounted in the servo holes. Sullivan tailwheel bracket that's actually a heavier setup than the stock. Sullivan 2 1/4 spinner w/ aluminum backplate. Nothing special, but it balanced perfectly at about 4 3/4"
Old 07-02-2004 | 07:51 AM
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I mounted my battery under my fuel tank thru an access panel I cut-in to use that dead space under the tank, I used Hitec 425 servos everywhere. Strange, I wonder if your motor is heavier than my TT ?
Old 07-02-2004 | 08:11 AM
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I haven't weighed it, but when it comes back from the manufacturer I will try to set it on a postal scale. I had to send it back because of a faulty carb. I guess that's what I get for saving a little money up front and not getting a OS.
Old 07-02-2004 | 08:29 AM
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If it helps, mine (set up above) balanced without any additional weight with both the OS 50 SX and 46 FX
Old 07-02-2004 | 08:52 AM
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P-51B- you said in a earlier post before your crash, that CG was at 5 1/8 and could use maybe another 1/4", so you thought 5 3/8" would be an OK CG for this plane, if that is the case I should be able to get rid of most of my 4.5 OZ that I added- correct ? The book says 4" - 5" what is the max CG anyone would use on this type of plane ? Like I said in the past I am new at this, what is the lesser of 2 evils, adding weight or moving the CG back past recomended points. I will not be hot dogging for a while with this plane, so heavy 3D stuff is not in my near future.
Old 07-02-2004 | 11:31 AM
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I could move my engine another 1/4 inch forward. My CG is right on 5" now. I had my CG at 4" before the crash with 6 oz of weight.
It still flew with very good control but I did have a major ballooning problem which eventually caused my crash. Thats why I decided
to move the CG and use less weight. I have only added 1.4oz and its seems to handle much better now. I still noticed some ballooning and I might have to adjust the airlerons a bit to counter this. I have them lined up with the center line of the fuse or leading edge. I think if I set them downword just a tad it might fix that problem.
Old 07-02-2004 | 12:06 PM
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These posts are full of great info guys, keep them up! My Twist should be here either Saturday the 3rd, or early next week.
Old 07-02-2004 | 11:25 PM
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Sure will Glowplug! By now there is plenty of experiences with the Twist and really believe the
100 bucks or less is so worth it. It is not a perfect plane, yet its not a perfect world but I am
sure someone will figure out all of the tweaks to make this a Great 3D Flyer!


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